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robcannon
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:50 am Post subject: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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I have an HKS on a Mark I. It does fine on this but the gross weight is exceeded with an average weight passenger. I understand the fellow who clipped the trees has an Mark III with an HKS and would love to hear a flying report.
Rob Cannon
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:22 am Post subject: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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In the same crowd with a low powered MkIII, I don't see how a normal
landing would make
any difference. -that is excluding unstable ar ledge landings at
high altitudes.
The guy honestly admitted to temporary poor judgement. I give him
sympathy and a salute.
BB
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I have an HKS on a Mark I. It does fine on this but the gross
weight is exceeded with an average weight passenger. I understand
the fellow who clipped the trees has an Mark III with an HKS and
would love to hear a flying report.
Rob Cannon
Saltspring Island BC
250-537-8733
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:23 am Post subject: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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I have an HKS on a Mark I. It does fine on this but the gross weight is
exceeded with an average weight passenger. I understand the fellow who
clipped the trees has an Mark III with an HKS and would love to hear a
flying report.>>
Hi, Clipping the trees is nothing to do with power available. It is about
getting the approach wrong.
Cheers
Pat
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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Pat
You're absolutely right about 'getting the approach wrong' causes a
lot of accidents.
BUT if you have sufficient power, you can stop a descent and even
make a go-round.
So IMHO power available does have something to do with clipping the
trees.
If enough power's available, hopefully at least, no tree-clipping.
Russ
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On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:23 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
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I have an HKS on a Mark I. It does fine on this but the gross
weight is exceeded with an average weight passenger. I understand
the fellow who clipped the trees has an Mark III with an HKS and
would love to hear a flying report.>>
Hi, Clipping the trees is nothing to do with power available. It is
about getting the approach wrong.
Cheers
Pat
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rickofudall
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Joined: 19 Sep 2009 Posts: 1392 Location: Udall, KS, USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:43 pm Post subject: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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Russ, Depends on which side of the power curve you're on. Get on the back side and you can't climb out with out lowering the nose first. If the trees are too close for that, you're going in no matter how much power you have.
Rick Girard
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:31 PM, russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com (russkinne(at)mac.com)> wrote:
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Pat
You're absolutely right about 'getting the approach wrong' causes a lot of accidents.
BUT if you have sufficient power, you can stop a descent and even make a go-round.
So IMHO power available does have something to do with clipping the trees.
If enough power's available, hopefully at least, no tree-clipping.
Russ
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On Sep 24, 2009, at 10:23 AM, pj.ladd wrote:
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I have an HKS on a Mark I. It does fine on this but the gross weight is exceeded with an average weight passenger. I understand the fellow who clipped the trees has an Mark III with an HKS and would love to hear a flying report.>>
Hi, Clipping the trees is nothing to do with power available. It is about getting the approach wrong.
Cheers
Pat
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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I was actually just looking to hear how the hks does on the Mark III extra. Will it climb with two aboard ? etc. I must have poorly worded my original post.
Rob Cannon
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:40 pm Post subject: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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Just a guess on my part, since I have owned a Mark III with a 582. The weight of my Firestar is pretty close to what most of the lighter Mark III weigh. The wings on the 3 are larger so it would fly, but I wouldn't want to own one.
Larry
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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I have a MK III Xtra with a 100 HP Rotax 912-S, and its perfect. I would not want much less power than I have though. The 80 HP Rotax 912 is pretty cheap used, and would be a much better engine for the MK III Xtra than the HKS for this plane. I think the MK III would be ok, but not great with the Rotax 80 HP.
I think the MK III Xtra would be HORRIBLE with the HKS. I think climb would be so poor with the HKS that it would be dangerous. This is just a guess as I have never flown an extra with that little power... I do know what my MK III Xtra climbs like if I run just over half power, and it hardly qualifies as a climb.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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[quote="lcottrell"]Just a guess on my part, since I have owned a Mark III with a 582. The weight of my Firestar is pretty close to what most of the lighter Mark III weigh. The wings on the 3 are larger so it would fly, but I wouldn't want to own one.
Larry
Reading this thread persuaded me to go back and dig out my April 1995 copy of General Aviation News and Flyer, which had a full article on the MKIII with the 503 and 582. In the article, the 503 is described as "perfectly adequate."
(I can scan the article and post pictures of it if anybody cares)
I got a chance to fly a dual carb 503 powered MKIII with a passenger on board & full fuel. This was a bare bones airplane, no electrical system, maybe just a strobe, it weighed (supposedly) 475 pounds. It was really pretty much a dog, and it was a cool morning.
So IMO, although the HKS makes more power than a 503, but less than a 582, unless I lived in flat Midwest country, probably the HKS engine on a MKIII is not a happy choice.
Richard Pike
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lcottrell
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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So IMO, although the HKS makes more power than a 503, but less than a 582, unless I lived in flat Midwest country, probably the HKS engine on a MKIII is not a happy choice.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Even though the HKS makes more power than the 503, I find that it is offset by the additional weight. I can fly faster with the HKS, but I cannot get off the ground as quick. The only plus is the "apparent" safety factor of the four stroke, and the longer TBO.
Larry
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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Well for what it's worth Richard, the original J-3 Cub started life with a Continental A-40 engine of 37 hp and weighed 2/3 more than a Mk III. I was flying my neighbor's Taylorcraft last week with an A-65 Continental and it too weighs about 2/3 more than my Mk III. Flew real nice. My Mk III will out climb the T craft but he blows by me (relatively speaking) over 15 mph faster at slightly less fuel burn than my 582 can deliver. It's all relative.
Rick Girard
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[quote="lcottrell"]Just a guess on my part, since I have owned a Mark III with a 582. The weight of my Firestar is pretty close to what most of the lighter Mark III weigh. The wings on the 3 are larger so it would fly, but I wouldn't want to own one.
Larry
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Reading this thread persuaded me to go back and dig out my April 1995 copy of General Aviation News and Flyer, which had a full article on the MKIII with the 503 and 582. In the article, the 503 is described as "perfectly adequate."
(I can scan the article and post pictures of it if anybody cares)
I got a chance to fly a dual carb 503 powered MKIII with a passenger on board & full fuel. This was a bare bones airplane, no electrical system, maybe just a strobe, it weighed (supposedly) 475 pounds. It was really pretty much a dog, and it was a cool morning.
So IMO, although the HKS makes more power than a 503, but less than a 582, unless I lived in flat Midwest country, probably the HKS engine on a MKIII is not a happy choice.
Richard Pike
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:15 am Post subject: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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Larry,
One more plus,the fuel burn of the HKS. Just slightly more than half of the 503.
G.Aman
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:45 am Post subject: HKS-700 on a Mark III or extra |
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Oh yeah, some how I forgot that. :-/ I just got back from the Alvord Desert where some of the Top Fun Flyer's will be going for a weekend fly out. I had a head wind of about 10 MPH going so ran full power cruise, (5750) I burned 4 gallons for the round trip of 1.4 hours. The BLM is burning the Steen's Mts. and visibility is terrible. It almost took the GPS to find the place. :-/
I only took one picture the whole trip. There were a couple of wild horses on the rim overlooking the Desert.
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