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I'm at the point of installing the fuel lines, AFP fuel pump, filter, and wondering which fuel flow transducer should be used? Wondering if I should just wait to see which monitoring system I use and whatever transducer comes with it or plan around a more accurate or known stable device? What are your experiences?
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If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location.
Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:57 am Post subject: Re: fuel transducer |
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RVDAVE,
I called Stein and asked them which transducer worked with AFS. They said the red cube which is the FT-60 not the flo-scan. So they shipped me one for 200 bucks and then they'll take that off the screen price when you purchase those down the road. I drilled out my stock location mounting rivets and filled with 3-3's. I saved the mount for mounting it in the firewall location since builders were having better luck and precision with that. Stock location works too, it gives you very little fluctuations from being so close to the fuel pump. I believe the transducer will work with a lot of different avionics. I really haven't decided mine yet.
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And if you are going with GRT, they have their own.
I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the
equipment that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition
method. The sensor is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a
Stein-type builder, they will get the sensor to you when needed. If you
are a DIY panel guy, you work with whoever you get the equipment from.
I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible
later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later
could cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce
fuel pump turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it
has been discussed.
Bill "got to go to work" Watson
orchidman wrote:
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If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location.
Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate.
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If you are going with AFS system, it is probably best to purchase the 6 CLY Sensor kit. AFS packages the sensor kit separately. In this kit are all the engine probes, sensors (including fuel flow) and wiring harness. That way you can install and pre-wire all those items without having to shell out for the EFIS or EM until you need it. Spruce has the 6 cylinder Sensor kit for $1,300. All my sensors and probes are installed, my EFIS and EM wiring is done, but I still haven't purchased the EFIS or EM units yet.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/af3400.php
As been mentioned previously, AFS uses the Electronics International "Red Cube" flow transducer. I believe GRT still uses the original FloScan brand transducer.
William
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Strasnuts <sean(at)braunandco.com (sean(at)braunandco.com)> wrote:
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RVDAVE,
I called Stein and asked them which transducer worked with AFS. They said the red cube which is the FT-60 not the flo-scan. So they shipped me one for 200 bucks and then they'll take that off the screen price when you purchase those down the road. I drilled out my stock location mounting rivets and filled with 3-3's. I saved the mount for mounting it in the firewall location since builders were having better luck and precision with that. Stock location works too, it gives you very little fluctuations from being so close to the fuel pump. I believe the transducer will work with a lot of different avionics. I really haven't decided mine yet.
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Though physically different, electrically both the Electronics International (EI) "Red Cube" (used by EI and AFS) and FloScan (used by JPI, GRT, et al) are the same.
The FloScan part used to be the only game in town. Fuel flow sensors used to cost around $600. EI developed their own electrically compatible "Red Cube" to offer with their line of engine instruments and the competition has brought the price of fuel flow sensors down to about $200. Both units are fully TSO'd--not that it matter for experimentals.
William
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
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And if you are going with GRT, they have their own.
I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the equipment that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition method. The sensor is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a Stein-type builder, they will get the sensor to you when needed. If you are a DIY panel guy, you work with whoever you get the equipment from.
I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later could cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce fuel pump turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it has been discussed.
Bill "got to go to work" Watson
orchidman wrote:
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If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location.
Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate.
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What does the G900X use?
Phil
From: William Curtis [mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: fuel transducer
Though physically different, electrically both the Electronics International (EI) "Red Cube" (used by EI and AFS) and FloScan (used by JPI, GRT, et al) are the same.
The FloScan part used to be the only game in town. Fuel flow sensors used to cost around $600. EI developed their own electrically compatible "Red Cube" to offer with their line of engine instruments and the competition has brought the price of fuel flow sensors down to about $200. Both units are fully TSO'd--not that it matter for experimentals.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>
And if you are going with GRT, they have their own.
I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the equipment that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition method. The sensor is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a Stein-type builder, they will get the sensor to you when needed. If you are a DIY panel guy, you work with whoever you get the equipment from.
I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later could cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce fuel pump turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it has been discussed.
Bill "got to go to work" Watson
orchidman wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)>
If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location.
Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate.
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FloScan
Gary Specketer
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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: fuel transducer
What does the G900X use?
Phil
From: William Curtis [mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: fuel transducer
Though physically different, electrically both the Electronics International (EI) "Red Cube" (used by EI and AFS) and FloScan (used by JPI, GRT, et al) are the same.
The FloScan part used to be the only game in town. Fuel flow sensors used to cost around $600. EI developed their own electrically compatible "Red Cube" to offer with their line of engine instruments and the competition has brought the price of fuel flow sensors down to about $200. Both units are fully TSO'd--not that it matter for experimentals.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>
And if you are going with GRT, they have their own.
I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the equipment that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition method. The sensor is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a Stein-type builder, they will get the sensor to you when needed. If you are a DIY panel guy, you work with whoever you get the equipment from.
I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later could cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce fuel pump turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it has been discussed.
Bill "got to go to work" Watson
orchidman wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)>
If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location.
Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:14 am Post subject: fuel transducer |
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The G900X uses the UMA Fuel Pressure Transducer
I have had one go bad so far (under warranty).
Seems to me you need to know what avionics suite you are going to fly behind before purchasing the sensors.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: fuel transducer
What does the G900X use?
Phil
From: William Curtis [mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: fuel transducer
Though physically different, electrically both the Electronics International (EI) "Red Cube" (used by EI and AFS) and FloScan (used by JPI, GRT, et al) are the same.
The FloScan part used to be the only game in town. Fuel flow sensors used to cost around $600. EI developed their own electrically compatible "Red Cube" to offer with their line of engine instruments and the competition has brought the price of fuel flow sensors down to about $200. Both units are fully TSO'd--not that it matter for experimentals.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>
And if you are going with GRT, they have their own.
I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the equipment that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition method. The sensor is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a Stein-type builder, they will get the sensor to you when needed. If you are a DIY panel guy, you work with whoever you get the equipment from.
I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later could cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce fuel pump turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it has been discussed.
Bill "got to go to work" Watson
orchidman wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)>
If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location.
Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:21 am Post subject: fuel transducer |
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Phil,
Allow me to clarify the G900x sensor selection (attached).
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: fuel transducer
What does the G900X use?
Phil
From: William Curtis [mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: fuel transducer
Though physically different, electrically both the Electronics International (EI) "Red Cube" (used by EI and AFS) and FloScan (used by JPI, GRT, et al) are the same.
The FloScan part used to be the only game in town. Fuel flow sensors used to cost around $600. EI developed their own electrically compatible "Red Cube" to offer with their line of engine instruments and the competition has brought the price of fuel flow sensors down to about $200. Both units are fully TSO'd--not that it matter for experimentals.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>
And if you are going with GRT, they have their own.
I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the equipment that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition method. The sensor is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a Stein-type builder, they will get the sensor to you when needed. If you are a DIY panel guy, you work with whoever you get the equipment from.
I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later could cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce fuel pump turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it has been discussed.
Bill "got to go to work" Watson
orchidman wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)>
If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location.
Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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Has anyone with using the EI "red cube" (or any fuel flow transducer for that matter) installed it the way EI suggests in the instructions, which is simply suspended between 2 sections of fuel hose and not hard mounted to any structure?
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:42 am Post subject: fuel transducer |
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Robin,
According to the document you sent the Fuel Flow transducer is Flo Scan. The pressure sensors are UMA.
William
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Robin Marks <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com (robin1(at)mrmoisture.com)> wrote:
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Phil,
Allow me to clarify the G900x sensor selection (attached).
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: fuel transducer
What does the G900X use?
Phil
From: William Curtis [mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.com (wcurtis(at)nerv10.com)]
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: fuel transducer
Though physically different, electrically both the Electronics International (EI) "Red Cube" (used by EI and AFS) and FloScan (used by JPI, GRT, et al) are the same.
The FloScan part used to be the only game in town. Fuel flow sensors used to cost around $600. EI developed their own electrically compatible "Red Cube" to offer with their line of engine instruments and the competition has brought the price of fuel flow sensors down to about $200. Both units are fully TSO'd--not that it matter for experimentals.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
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And if you are going with GRT, they have their own.
I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the equipment that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition method. The sensor is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a Stein-type builder, they will get the sensor to you when needed. If you are a DIY panel guy, you work with whoever you get the equipment from.
I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later could cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce fuel pump turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it has been discussed.
Bill "got to go to work" Watson
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If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location.
Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate.
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I don't think UMA makes a flow transducer themselves. If I was to guess, I would say that either EI or Flo Scan was the OEM for them. Checking their site, they have the EI "Red Cube" transducer pictured.
http://www.umainstruments.com/FuelFlow.htm
The Flo Scan unit was the industry standard for decades and the electrical characteristics are well understood. This is why EI chose to "clone" the characteristics--not to mention that they would not then have to change their instruments.
http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/aviation.php
Original Flow Scan
http://www.buy-ei.com/Pages/Miscellaneous/Misc_Flow.html
EI "Red Cube"
William
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Robin Marks <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com (robin1(at)mrmoisture.com)> wrote:
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The G900X uses the UMA Fuel Pressure Transducer
I have had one go bad so far (under warranty).
Seems to me you need to know what avionics suite you are going to fly behind before purchasing the sensors.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:15 AM
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Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: fuel transducer
What does the G900X use?
Phil
From: William Curtis [mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.com (wcurtis(at)nerv10.com)]
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 AM
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Subject: Re: Re: fuel transducer
Though physically different, electrically both the Electronics International (EI) "Red Cube" (used by EI and AFS) and FloScan (used by JPI, GRT, et al) are the same.
The FloScan part used to be the only game in town. Fuel flow sensors used to cost around $600. EI developed their own electrically compatible "Red Cube" to offer with their line of engine instruments and the competition has brought the price of fuel flow sensors down to about $200. Both units are fully TSO'd--not that it matter for experimentals.
William
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
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And if you are going with GRT, they have their own.
I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the equipment that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition method. The sensor is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a Stein-type builder, they will get the sensor to you when needed. If you are a DIY panel guy, you work with whoever you get the equipment from.
I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later could cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce fuel pump turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it has been discussed.
Bill "got to go to work" Watson
orchidman wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)>
If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location.
Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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Correct, that is why I was specific on my first email “Fuel Pressure Transducer” then I saw what could be confusing and sent the PDF so Phil could have the official document detailing all units.
BTW I did have a problem with my Fuel Pressure and sent it back to UMA where they rebuilt it so maybe they do make their own which is not a comforting thought after speaking with them twice on the phone.
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
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Robin,
According to the document you sent the Fuel Flow transducer is Flo Scan. The pressure sensors are UMA.
William
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Robin Marks <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com (robin1(at)mrmoisture.com)> wrote:
Phil,
Allow me to clarify the G900x sensor selection (attached).
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:15 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: fuel transducer
What does the G900X use?
Phil
From: William Curtis [mailto:wcurtis(at)nerv10.com (wcurtis(at)nerv10.com)]
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:58 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: fuel transducer
Though physically different, electrically both the Electronics International (EI) "Red Cube" (used by EI and AFS) and FloScan (used by JPI, GRT, et al) are the same.
The FloScan part used to be the only game in town. Fuel flow sensors used to cost around $600. EI developed their own electrically compatible "Red Cube" to offer with their line of engine instruments and the competition has brought the price of fuel flow sensors down to about $200. Both units are fully TSO'd--not that it matter for experimentals.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>
And if you are going with GRT, they have their own.
I think you want to wait until you decide on 1) the brand of the equipment that will be reading it, 2) your equipment acquisition method. The sensor is brand specific as far as I know and if you use a Stein-type builder, they will get the sensor to you when needed. If you are a DIY panel guy, you work with whoever you get the equipment from.
I don't think there's any hurry. The location(s) is easily accessible later. Panel brand preferences will change. Acting sooner than later could cost a few bucks. And read up on the location of sensor to reduce fuel pump turbulence - I don't know if that's a real issue or not but it has been discussed.
Bill "got to go to work" Watson
orchidman wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com (gary(at)wingscc.com)>
If you are going with AFS, it comes with the kit. I would put it up front and go with the stock fuel pump & filter in the stock location.
Some of the early AFS supplied transducers had a leak but were recalled by the manufacturer and the current ones are tight and accurate.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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Thanks for the info and the photos. Now I realize the FT 60 is the red cube and the gray is the flo-scan. Actually I see now I have the flo-scan in my RV6 which came with my engine monitor, IK2000. I have it mounted in the engine compartment in a horizontal run before the mechanical fuel pump, where I was told would have the most accurate readings. It is not stable most of the time as I would expect it to be and my digital readout is always fluctuating, not sure if the FT60 would be any better? I believe that is the reason Matt Dralle sells the pulsation dampener? I don't have that but am tempted to try it.
I believe I will wait to see which monitoring system I end up with and use what has been tested with that system, thanks all.
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My red cube is ROCK solid....the engine sputters when the AFS 3500 says 29.5 gals used....never fluctuates and is mounted in "God forbid" the tunnel in front of the pump/filter.....FWIW...and it's flyin...IMHO which is based on flyin just my 2 cents worth...
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