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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: Garmin G3X

I have been looking at the G3X now since I have gone through every other avionics option.  I called Garmin about some questions I had about the system.  They really didn't have anything to tell me or know anything to tell me.  I was transferred four times until I had a field technician who "knew" the G3X system.  I asked him if the GTS 800 TCAS would work with the G3x.  He didn't know.  I would think that it would work with it since most of Garmin's stuff seems to interface well with each other.  I also asked him if the VFR WAAS internal GPS will ever be certified IFR and he said,"no it won't be."  I thought that was weird but I guess you just have to drive it with a 430 or 530 to be IFR certified.  Also I asked him which fuel transducer it uses since I already bought the red cube but again he didn't know.  I suppose it would be the same as the G900X that Robin already CLEARLY stated.  Maybe someone on the Matronics knows more.  Anyone?

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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:39 pm Post subject: Garmin G3X

Well the one thing you can say about Garmin support is that when they

don't know something they tell you....Often. 

Again there are very few people qualified at Garmin to explain serious

lacking & confusing documentation. One has to call before Kansas closes

to get support for these systems. I assume the field service reps

outside corporate are there to expedite hardware exchanges or the like.

It's not just me I am working with a technically skilled aircraft

mechanic who keeps asking me "why do they do it that way?".

As to the G3X I am fairly sure the GTS 800 will work. Ca-Ching. But nice

to have the option for sure. I plan to install it on our G900.

I also assume that the VFR WAAS GPS is for liability reasons (targeting

the LSA market etc...) as well as leaving the proud owner the ability to

Option Up to IFR certified by adding a 430W. Geeee, remind who makes

430W's again? Ok, I can live with that, I have to have a nice nav/comm

anyway.

If Garmin would only came out with some plug & play package;

pre-assembled harnesses between their devices or to a common hub so even

the electrically challenged could build up a system this would be a

sweet package. That is until you try to update the system software.

Teehee.



Robin   

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:19 am Post subject: Garmin G3X

Sounds like Garmin is becoming the King Radio of the 1970s. No customer

service and arrogant attitude; how long will the technical superiority last?

How long will they be able to buy their technically superior competitors? 



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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:15 am Post subject: Garmin G3X

Have you tried talking to Stein....or maybe the guys at Stark?



Rene' Felker

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:12 am Post subject: Garmin G3X

Somehow I don't want to sign up for more of the Garmin/Jepp gravy

train than I have to. It will be bad enough to have to feed a 430

update machine without also buying their EFIS updates as well. The

AFS, Dynon and GRT systems seem to offer more, but it is like picking

ice cream flavors.



On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Strasnuts <sean(at)braunandco.com> wrote:

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 I have been looking at the G3X now since I have gone through every other avionics option.  I called Garmin about some questions I had about the system.  They really didn't have anything to tell me or know anything to tell me.  I was transferred four times until I had a field technician who "knew" the G3X system.  I asked him if the GTS 800 TCAS would work with the G3x.  He didn't know.  I would think that it would work with it since most of Garmin's stuff seems to interface well with each other.  I also asked him if the VFR WAAS internal GPS will ever be certified IFR and he said,"no it won't be."  I thought that was weird but I guess you just have to drive it with a 430 or 530 to be IFR certified.  Also I asked him which fuel transducer it uses since I already bought the red cube but again he didn't know.  I suppose it would be the same as the G900X that Robin already CLEARLY stated.  Maybe someone on the Matronics knows more.  Anyone?



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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: Garmin G3X

Or study the G3X install manual?

 http://www.garmin.com/manuals/G3XElectronicFlightInstrumentationSystem_InstallManual.pdf

  

 The G3X seems to have all the required hardware ports to support the GTS 800.  However, there is no way to tell if the required software is included in the current version.  Page 1-2 of the install manual may answer some questions however.

   

 Garmin is relying heavily on the CAN bus with the G3X.  This is a pretty cool interface.  It is a non proprietary (less expensive) more flexible alternative to the ARINC 429 bus for future avionics products.  It is currently used on Airbus, Mercedes-Benz, etc.

   

 William

 http://wcurtis.nerv10.com

  

  

  

  

 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)> wrote:



  [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)>

 

Have you tried talking to Stein....or maybe the guys at Stark?



Rene' Felker

RV-10 N423CF Flying

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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:39 am Post subject: Garmin G3X

For those that are interested in the CAN Bus, here is a great article with comparison to ARINC 429.

 http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/CAN-Bus-in-Aviation_31468.html

  

 Because it is also used in automobiles, economies of scale should make CAN-buss interfaces ubiquitous on future avionics. Instead of all those discrete wires, you only have 4 wires into any device (power, ground and CAN).  Plug this device into you passive CAN-bus "hub" and you are done with the wiring.  Can't wait.

  

William

 http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/



 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM, William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com (wcurtis(at)nerv10.com)> wrote:

 [quote] Or study the G3X install manual?

 http://www.garmin.com/manuals/G3XElectronicFlightInstrumentationSystem_InstallManual.pdf

  

 The G3X seems to have all the required hardware ports to support the GTS 800.  However, there is no way to tell if the required software is included in the current version.  Page 1-2 of the install manual may answer some questions however.

   

 Garmin is relying heavily on the CAN bus with the G3X.  This is a pretty cool interface.  It is a non proprietary (less expensive) more flexible alternative to the ARINC 429 bus for future avionics products.  It is currently used on Airbus, Mercedes-Benz, etc.

   

 William

 http://wcurtis.nerv10.com

  

   

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Strasnuts

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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: Garmin G3X

Stein called me today.  What customer service, I have only bought the servos 

and transducer from them so far.  I will definetely be using them.

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