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johnd

Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Posts: 27

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:58 am Post subject: Jay Bannister - OK ?

I just found this report at the faa.gov website, its Jay Bannister's 

plane. I hope Jay or whoever was flying it is ok.

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**   Report created 10/21/2009   Record 3                                     **

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IDENTIFICATION

  Regis#: 2630J        Make/Model: EXP       Description: ZODIAC 601XL

  Date: 10/17/2009     Time: 2030



  Event Type: Incident   Highest Injury: None     Mid Air: N    Missing: N

  Damage: Minor



LOCATION

  City: MIDLOTHIAN   State: TX   Country: US



DESCRIPTION

  AIRCRAFT FORCE LANDED IN A FIELD AND THE NOSE WHEEL COLLAPSED, MIDLOTHIAN, 

  TX



INJURY DATA      Total Fatal:   0

                 # Crew:   1     Fat:   0     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:    

                 # Pass:   0     Fat:   0     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:    

                 # Grnd:         Fat:   0     Ser:   0     Min:   0     Unk:    



WEATHER: KJWY 172025Z AUTO 31009G15KT 10SM SCT055 22/09 A3032



OTHER DATA

  Activity: Unknown      Phase: Other      Operation: OTHER

  FAA FSDO: DALLAS, TX  (SW05)                    Entry date: 10/19/2009

jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:17 am Post subject: Jay Bannister - OK ?

The pilot (not me) was not injured.  Damage mostly around the area of the collapsed nose gear - repairable.  Lil' Bruiser will be out of action for a while.

 

 Jay Bannister

 

   

 

   

 

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LHusky

Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Posts: 86
Location: Madras, Oregon

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: Jay Bannister - OK ?

Jay, glad to hear that the pilot is ok?  What caused the forced  landing?  Canopy? Engine trouble? 

  

 Larry Husky 

 Madras, Oregon

  

  In a message dated 10/21/2009 7:17:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  jaybannist(at)cs.com writes:

 [quote]   The pilot (not me)    was not injured.  Damage mostly around the area of the collapsed nose    gear - repairable.  Lil' Bruiser will be out of action for a    while.



Jay Bannister



   



   



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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: Jay Bannister - OK ?

Larry,

 

 Yes, the pilot is fine.  The engine quit.  He was not within gliding distance of the airport, landed in a pasture OK, but hit a berm and collapsed the nose gear.  From his description, it must have been a fuel related problem - maybe a clogged screen in the fuel path or carb icing.  I have been under the weather, so haven't been able to get to the hanger to investigate.

 

 Jay

 

   

 

   

 

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LHusky

Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Posts: 86
Location: Madras, Oregon

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject: Jay Bannister - OK ?

Sorry to hear that.  I hope for a speedy recovery for both of  you.  Keep us informed. 

  

 Larry Husky 

 Madras, Oregon

  

  In a message dated 10/21/2009 1:14:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  jaybannist(at)cs.com writes:

 [quote]   Larry,



Yes,    the pilot is fine.  The engine quit.  He was not within gliding    distance of the airport, landed in a pasture OK, but hit a berm and collapsed    the nose gear.  From his description, it must have been a fuel related    problem - maybe a clogged screen in the fuel path or carb icing.  I have    been under the weather, so haven't been able to get to the hanger to    investigate.



Jay



   



   



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BobTezyk

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 38
Location: Midlothian, TX

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Jay Bannister - OK ?

Good day all,



I was the pilot flying Jay's airplane.  I was helping Jay get the testing under way.  I had a detailed test plan for the flight on my clip board and I was wearing a parachute.  To save time and typing to each one individually, I am including a portion of the FAA report I wrote about the incident:



"A climb was made to 3500 MSL outside of the Mode C vail.  The stall series was completed and the aircraft was in level flight when the engine started to surge several times.  A turn was immediately made to JWY as the engine returned to normal.  About a minute later, the surges returned.  At that point, tanks were switched, the other coil and fuel pump were selected.  Shortly thereafter, the engine surged several times again and quit.  



A plowed field was picked as the best landing spot.  Attempts were made to re-start the engine 3 times with no joy.  At 2500 MSL, it was determined that the plowed field could not be reached so the landing spot was switched to a pasture.  At about 500 AGL, it was noted that the pasture was terraced in the east-west direction, with the plane on a northerly heading.  The decision was made to maintain the northerly heading and not make a sharp turn to the east as there was too much danger of a stall/spin condition.  At about 5 AGL, the plane was slowed to stall speed and allowed to settle on the rising terraces.  



The aircraft touched down on the upslope of a terrace and re-launched into the air.  The re-launch took the aircraft another 10 feet further before settling down.  Estimated touchdown speed was about 40 MPH.IAS.  The touchdown point was on another upslope.  There was no more elevator authority at this speed to keep the nose wheel off the ground at that speed.  The nose wheel caught the upslope berm and bent back causing the nose to fall to the ground.  



Damage sustained was minor.  The cowling sheet metal was bent as was the sheet metal and rudder pedals where the nose gear pushed into the fuselage.  The left wing inertia of coming to a stop pulled the rear attach fitting bolt through the attach fitting.  The spinner sustained some damage being dragged through the dirt on the under side, but the propeller did not touch the ground.  The ground impact was mild enough to not trigger the ELT.  



Upon coming to a stop, all power and switches were verified off and the canopy was released.  The aircraft was exited and a safe distance was maintained.  A walk around of the aircraft was performed and it was determined that no fuel was leaking."



If the nose wheel had not caught on the berm, there would have been no damage to the aircraft.  My primary flight training kicked in automatically and I made a deliberate effort to not over control or over maneuver the airplane.  My recent glider rating was a BIG BIG help.  Once I stopped trying to restart, my brain shifted into glider mode and that removed tons of stress.  It became just another glider ride.  



Recommendation to you for first flights/ Phase I testing: If you don't get a glider rating, get enough time in a glider so that landing without an engine is a not new to you.  



Nuf said.



Bob

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LHusky

Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Posts: 86
Location: Madras, Oregon

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: Jay Bannister - OK ?

Bob, any early indications of what happened to the engine?  Has fuel  flow or ignition been checked yet? 

  

 Thanks, 

  

 Larry Husky 

 Madras, Oregon

  

  In a message dated 10/27/2009 8:25:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  bob(at)eaglesnestestates.org writes:

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		  -->    Zenith-List message posted by: "BobTezyk"    <bob(at)eaglesnestestates.org>



Good day all,



I was the pilot    flying Jay's airplane.  I was helping Jay get the testing under    way.  I had a detailed test plan for the flight on my clip board and I    was wearing a parachute.  To save time and typing to each one    individually, I am including a portion of the FAA report I wrote about the    incident:



"A climb was made to 3500 MSL outside of the Mode C    vail.  The stall series was completed and the aircraft was in level    flight when the engine started to surge several times.  A turn was    immediately made to JWY as the engine returned to normal.  About a minute    later, the surges returned.  At that point, tanks were switched, the    other coil and fuel pump were selected.  Shortly thereafter, the engine    surged several times again and quit.  



A plowed field was picked    as the best landing spot.  Attempts were made to re-start the engine 3    times with no joy.  At 2500 MSL, it was determined that the plowed field    could not be reached so the landing spot was switched to a pasture.  At    about 500 AGL, it was noted that the pasture was terraced in the east-west    direction, with the plane on a northerly heading.  The decision was made    to maintain the northerly heading and not make a sharp turn to the east as    there was too much danger of a stall/spin condition.  At about 5 AGL, the    plane was slowed to stall speed and allowed to settle on the rising    terraces.  



The aircraft touched down on the upslope of a terrace    and re-launched into the air.  The re-launch took the aircraft another 10    feet further before settling down.  Estimated touchdown speed was about    40 MPH.IAS.  The touchdown point was on another upslope.  There was    no more elevator authority at this speed to keep the nose wheel off the ground    at that speed.  The nose wheel caught the upslope berm and bent back    causing the nose to fall to the ground.  



Damage sustained was    minor.  The cowling sheet metal was bent as was the sheet metal and    rudder pedals where the nose gear pushed into the fuselage.  The left    wing inertia of coming to a stop pulled the rear attach fitting bolt through    the attach fitting.  The spinner sustained some damage being dragged    through the dirt on the under side, but the propeller did not touch the    ground.  The ground impact was mild enough to not trigger the ELT.     



Upon coming to a stop, all power and switches were verified off and    the canopy was released.  The aircraft was exited and a safe distance was    maintained.  A walk around of the aircraft was performed and it was    determined that no fuel was leaking."



If the nose wheel had not caught    on the berm, there would have been no damage to the aircraft.  My primary    flight training kicked in automatically and I made a deliberate effort to not    over control or over maneuver the airplane.  My recent glider rating was    a BIG BIG help.  Once I stopped trying to restart, my brain shifted into    glider mode and that removed tons of stress.  It became just another    glider ride.  



Recommendation to you for first flights/ Phase I    testing: If you don't get a glider rating, get enough time in a glider so that    landing without an engine is a not new to you.  



Nuf    said.



Bob



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N78QT - 601XL QB/ Jab3300

Working on Horizontal Stabilizer     

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BobTezyk

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 38
Location: Midlothian, TX

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:21 am Post subject: Re: Jay Bannister - OK ?

We have to wait for the insurance company to look at the airplane before we tear it apart.

sdthatcher

Joined: 13 Mar 2008
Posts: 91
Location: Port Saint Lucie

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: Jay Bannister - OK ?

Congratulations Bob on some great concentration!  That had to be a tough 

call to continue into a perpendicular trough but it sure paid off (as 

opposed to the stall/spin scenario).  Sorry about the damage Jay... it sure 

sounds like it could have been worse but it's still a downer to have to 

start rebuilding again.  Hang in there!



Scott Thatcher

N601EL w/35 Hours

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601XL with Corvair, Registered as E-LSA
N601EL, EAA203 140 hours and not flying currently.

purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: Jay Bannister - OK ?

A job well doneBob!!! N101HD 601XL..I sure would like to live in Texas,more in the Houston area get's  tocold around Dallas Then on the other hand any place in Texas is good  Eagle Nest look's  Great

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We have to wait for the insurance company to look at the airplane before we tear it apart.

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Bob Tezyk

N78QT - 601XL QB/ Jab3300

Working on the Wings  

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