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powerglider

Joined: 20 Oct 2009
Posts: 11

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

I have a flat trailer that I need to enclose for a Kolb Mark 3.



The plane isn't here yet, but the flat trailer is. My girlfriend wants me to enclose it.



All I have are the length dimensions I see on the internet, 24 feet. 



My question is 24 feet is perfect for the standard 8' sheets of aluminum, but is the plane really 288 inches long?



If I build it exact it will no doubt get scratched on the tail and the nose, so I figure it needs a little more room. How much room? 6 inches, so 3 inches of padding on each end? More?



Is the plane by any chance a few inches shorter than the 24 feet you read on the internet dimensions? The plane is 2 + hours away in a hangar right now and I would not want to make that round trip just to measure it.

ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

Hello....I brought my M3X home from London,Kty last January to Houghton Lake Mi  with a  25' enclosed snowmobile trailer and it was to small ....a 27-28' trailer would have been perfect.If you are building it ,make sure the header coming in the back is at least 6' tall.I got mine in,but we had to leave the door open a bit in the back and seal it off for the trip.Also I would take the wings off and mount them on the sides of the trailer.we didn't putting it in and we had a hell of a time getting it in...when we got home,we took the wings off and everything came out real nice.I will post pictures tomorrow of the plane in the trailer.I'm sure everyone else has a better way,but thats how I would do it....



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ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
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Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

MAAAAN, but that's one cool-looking Kolb!

Congratulations!

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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

Here are a couple of pictures....>>



Hi,



What a pretty looking Kolb. Very nice indeed.



Don`t want to teach my granny to suck eggs and you have probably done this 

by now but a couple of battens  laid a few inches apart on the floor of the 

trailer enables  the tail wheel to be guided into position while pushing the 

plane  from the front.



Pat

powerglider

Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

great looking planes guys! Nice trailer.



The plane my girlfriend bought has not had its' wings folded in a long time and we didn't do it when we were there. From the pictures it looks like the wings when folded might end up longer than the tail.



So is this the case? Or it the longest part of the plane when wings are folded still the tail sections? I just don't want to have the previous owner measure the plane length to within an inch or two only to find out that when the wings fold it adds more length to the overall sizing.



Is there a difference in length between the MK3c and MK3X?



For width of the trailer I have 94 and 3/4", height will be 8 feet.



The reason I need to have the most exact length is that right now the trailer bed is 23 feet and 4 inches long, all I have to work with to extend the deck and then enclose it is the triangular front part of the trailer frame that I would then need to deck. If I build a little nose "dog house" to extend the length I currently have it could work but might look pretty ugly, I don't like ugly. Maybe make a triangle looking nose area? Light cut down on the wind resistance but framing it out is a bit more work on the roof part.



I appreciate the response, please keep them coming!

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:44 am Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

Powerglider,

  A couple more picts

 

   

 

   G.Aman MK-3C over 9000 miles trailering the plane with wings folded with no damage.

 

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:53 am Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

Powerglider,

 Need the V-nose to have enough room even for the C model.Basic trailer is a car hauler 24"plus the V nose.

 

   

 

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
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Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:54 am Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

The wings tips of a Mk III are slightly longer than the rudder when folded.Some suggestions: 

Make a dolly to carry the tail boom during transport. Folding the wings doubles the load on the tail wheel. 

 Make sure the wing and boom fittings line up correctly and you have all the padding required before you show up with a trailer.

Take lots of tools.

Personally, if it's less than 500 miles, I'd fly her home and save the trouble of fitting out a trailer right off the bat.

 



Rick Girard

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On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:00 AM, powerglider <francesco(at)powerglider.biz (francesco(at)powerglider.biz)> wrote:

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 great looking planes guys! Nice trailer.

 

 The plane my girlfriend bought has not had its' wings folded in a long time and we didn't do it when we were there. From the pictures it looks like the wings when folded might end up longer than the tail.

 

 So is this the case? Or it the longest part of the plane when wings are folded still the tail sections? I just don't want to have the previous owner measure the plane length to within an inch or two only to find out that when the wings fold it adds more length to the overall sizing.

  

 Is there a difference in length between the MK3c and MK3X?

 

 For width of the trailer I have 94 and 3/4", height will be 8 feet.

 

 The reason I need to have the most exact length is that right now the trailer bed is 23 feet and 4 inches long, all I have to work with to extend the deck and then enclose it is the triangular front part of the trailer frame that I would then need to deck. If I build a little nose "dog house" to extend the length I currently have it could work but might look pretty ugly, I don't like ugly. Maybe make a triangle looking nose area? Light cut down on the wind resistance but framing it out is a bit more work on the roof part.

  

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

Powerglider,

 You need the V nose to clear even the C model comfortably.This is a car hauler with 7' opening and 24' length plus 30" or so added by the V nose.

 

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powerglider

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

looks like a v-nose is in my future!



Thanks.

John Hauck

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

Why less than 500 miles?

  

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 Marysvale, UT

  

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:58 am Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

Why less than 500 miles?

  

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  Now THAT'S funny!!

  

 John's comment struck me as funny C since his flights seem to be in the "thousands of miles".  500 miles probably barely warms up his engine.

  

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rickofudall

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

John, Just an estimate based on time of year. Short days and all, there's only about an 8 hour period when it's A: not hazy, generally takes a few hours for the humidity to drop and the air to clear, and B: it's pretty cool in the morning and the warmest hours are 11 to 7. Allowing for a 70 to 80 mile an hour cruising speed and time for a pit stop it's a fair estimate for a one day flight. 



Rick



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:13 am Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

I was thinking even a two, three, or four day  flight is cheaper and a lot less hassle than trying to build a trailer.   Also, much easier on the airplane.  Trailering is tough on  airplanes.

  

 john h

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 [quote]     Allowing for a 70 to 80 mile an hour    cruising speed and time for a pit stop it's a fair estimate for a one day    flight.

   



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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

John, I agree, all it takes is one good pot hole to do serious damage. Even tar strips in the road can do mischief if the plane isn't well padded. I was thinking of a time constraint like a single weekend to accomplish the move. 



Rick



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[quote]        I was thinking even a two, three, or four day  flight is cheaper and a lot less hassle than trying to build a trailer.   Also, much easier on the airplane.  Trailering is tough on  airplanes.

  

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

previous owner has the hangar paid for until Jan 1, he's only 2 hours drive away. He came to bring the flat trailer so we could start on it. While he was here he inspected the bean field and said he could land on it as is. He said he was willing to fly the plane here and another pilot at the same airport was going to follow him in another plane to land on the bean field and take off again brining him home.



But that was before the 4-5 days of shitty weather moved in let's see... about 4-5 days ago, and it looks from the forecast that we aren't going to have a 3-4 day break to dry things up (the mud in the bean field) for at least another week.

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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:37 am Post subject: Re: Building Kolb Mark 3 enclosed trailer sizing?

Rick,



One "good" pothole can also do a lot of damage to a Kolb when the pothole is in the airstrip. That is what trashed my early Firestar a couple years ago. 



It was at the SW end (far end) of BB's 1,200' airstrip in the corn field that BB posted in another thread. To further combine/confuse the topics of multiple threads, I guess I should have sued him for the pothole but it never occurred to me, since I was PIC, not his pothole. He subsequently filled it. Case closed .



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