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annken100

Joined: 15 Nov 2007
Posts: 62

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: 601XL Upgrades

Hey Folks,



We are certainly being given a lot of information in a short period of time and it can be overwhelming.  We all have some work ahead of us.  That said, I am excited about the upgrades being offered by Zenith.  I feel that the modifications take an already great airplane and make it that much better.



We should all keep a positive outlook and move forward.



Ken Pavlou

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purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:46 pm Post subject: 601XL Upgrades

Yep Ken , I'am so excited I've already wet my pants just thinking about how much fun it's gona be tearing my plane apart,screwing up the paint,drilling out all those  rivets,and then I get to put it all back together.Oh it's going to be real fun,not to mention Paying for the up grades ,and the rivits ,and the paint and I'am sure that all the up grades will make my plane much stronger and much more safer. Isn't that the way it was supose to be when I paid for it the frist time?? Do you think I'll be able to get more money for it when I try to sell it? You would have to be a damm fool to by a 601XL . My plane has the best of every thing in it . RAM eng,Sub 4 redrive,prince-P tip prop,tuned intake/with flowed heads,tuned exhast,ceramiccoated inside and out,Terra raidos/wILS 2-min  elect turn,LoranGPS, Parking brakes,the list goes on and on....The only place I come up short is the WINGS and FUSELAGE, but that no big deal is it Ken,Bet I be lucky to get $30,000  for such a GREAT plane you need to quit sniffing those covair exhast fumes!    Joe N101HD



 

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Hey Folks,



We are certainly being given a lot of information in a short period of time and it can be overwhelming.  We all have some work ahead of us.  That said, I am excited about the upgrades being offered by Zenith.  I feel that the modifications take an already great airplane and make it that much  better.



We should all keep a positive outlook and move forward.



Ken Pavlou



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annken100

Joined: 15 Nov 2007
Posts: 62

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: 601XL Upgrades

Joe,



I'm truly sorry you are so upset about all of this.  I hope lashing out at me makes you feel better.  I have $68,000 tied up in my plane and I too have all the bells and whistles.  I too have to rip apart my center spar box structure, wings, and ailerons.  Unlike you, I've accepted that my plane is worth crap at this point.  Then again, I didn't go the homebuilt route for resale value.  If everyone sticks together and incorporates the modifications we may see the resale value of our planes increase after all the dust settles.



My thinking is not influenced by Corvair fumes as you suggest.  I choose to be practical and positive rather than negative and rude.



As a final note, I recommend you see a doctor about that pant wetting problem you have.



Ken Pavlou

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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: 601XL Upgrades

Ken,



Thanks for trying to get us feeling better about it. But as they say

no good deed goes unpunished.



My wing is not completely closed yet, so I don't have much rework at

this point. I can not offer the bright outlook that someone like you

can, and be taken serious.



Ernie



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 Hey Folks,



 We are certainly being given a lot of information in a short period of time and it can be overwhelming.  We all have some work ahead of us.  That said, I am excited about the upgrades being offered by Zenith.  I feel that the modifications take an already great airplane and make it that much better.



 We should all keep a positive outlook and move forward.



 Ken Pavlou



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purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: 601XL Upgrades

Negative and rude; I think not!  Factual and to the point, YES....

   

 I didn't buy my for resale, either, but like everyone else I'm going to

 have to poor money into an empty hole.  At some point in your life

 you've got to cut your losses and quit throwing money in that hole.

  

 As far as wetting my pants, I still have to blame that on you because

 if you believe what you wrote, I've some ocean front property I'd like

 to sell you in AR; you or anyone else.

  

 Maybe I'm just like Zenith and no one's to blame.  It's just the slip

 of the pen and the slide rule.  But, unlike the big "Z" I get to pay for

 their mistakes.  They  may well have a lot in common with the doctors

 and the lawyers.  The lawyers mistakes are in jail and the doctors

 bury theirs.  

  

 Thanks again.

  

 Joe

 N101HD

  

 P.S.  Keep that PMA



 

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Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 4:58:49 PM

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Joe,



I'm truly sorry you are so upset about all of this.  I hope lashing out at me makes you feel better.  I have $68,000 tied up in my plane and I too have all the bells and whistles.  I too have to rip apart my center spar box structure, wings, and ailerons.  Unlike you, I've accepted that my plane is worth crap at this point.  Then again, I didn't go the homebuilt route for resale value.  If everyone sticks  together and incorporates the modifications we may see the resale value of our planes increase after all the dust settles.



My thinking is not influenced by Corvair fumes as you suggest.  I choose to be practical and positive rather than negative and rude.



As a final note, I recommend you see a doctor about that pant wetting problem you have.



Ken Pavlou



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annken100

Joined: 15 Nov 2007
Posts: 62

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: 601XL Upgrades

Joe,



Cool, I've never been blamed for causing incontinence before.  I'll have to write that one down in my book of life's achievements!



 All kidding aside, I understand you are angry and I see your point of view.  But, to put things in perspective I'll draw a comparison between our 601 and a type certified aircraft.  If the FAA issues an AD against a piper cherokee it is the owner who shoulders the financial burden to comply.  I've not heard of Beechcraft, Mooney, Cessna, or Piper paying for AD compliance even when the AD involves structural issues.  A quick example would be the AD on piper tomahawk wing spars which was mandatory.  I don't recall piper paying for the inspection or repair.  This is why I don't expect zenith to pay for the mod kit.  It is what it is and I simply chose to skip the getting angry part.



Ken Pavlou



P.S.  I'm sure the property you are offering is lovely, but I'm not interested.  Also, I don't know what "PMA" is, but I get the feeling it isn't "Parts Manufacturer Approval "

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purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: 601XL Upgrades

Ken,PMA is Positive Mental Attitude,and I'am not going to tell you again.. seriously the whole thing is a big mess,and has been on going for a long time,and I just got off this list,for about a year, then yesterday I caught wind of the FAA involvement. Now having read more on the subject,I see that this was not a over  night thing, I found the CH Hintz letter and the QandAns ,Last night I was thinking where in the hell did all this come from ? out of the blue on a weekend? In short I now  Know. So I owe you a apology ,and  the big Z   too,.I dont think that they should pay for the fix ,you're right about that, It is what it is My plane is great to say the very least..and oppimisium is contagius ,so I will order my fix kit tomorrow  from  those very nice people at Zenith ,make my plane better  and  get on with my flying (and eternal building)  going to put your name on my email list,because your a nice guy and now I know some one that has more money in a 601 than ME... Thanks Joe N101HD 601XL

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Joe,

Cool, I've never been blamed for causing incontinence before.  I'll have to write that one down in my book of life's achievements!

All kidding aside, I understand you are angry and I see your point of view.  But, to put things in perspective I'll draw a comparison between our 601 and a type certified aircraft.  If the FAA issues an AD against a piper cherokee it is the owner who shoulders the financial burden to  comply.  I've not heard of Beechcraft, Mooney, Cessna, or Piper paying for AD compliance even when the AD involves structural issues.  A quick example would be the AD on piper tomahawk wing spars which was mandatory.  I don't recall piper paying for the inspection or repair.  This is why I don't expect zenith to pay for the mod kit.  It is what it is and I simply chose to skip the getting angry part.

Ken Pavlou

P.S.  I'm sure the property you are offering is lovely, but I'm not interested.  Also, I don't know what "PMA" is, but I get the feeling it isn't "Parts Manufacturer Approval "

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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: 601XL Upgrades

We are all in the same boat so to speak. My wings and fuselage are complete and like most people I will be taking it apart to add the mods. The part I am having trouble with is the belly-aching that went on before the mods where known C to the start of the new belly-aching  now that we have them within our grasp. If we didn't want the answer we shouldn't ask the question.

    I will gladly make the mods that zenith has laid out. If I feel the need to play lawn darts I will head to WalMart and buy the game.

   Jon B. plans built 

            Just a little farther out then last Friday.

 

  Date: Mon C 9 Nov 2009 12:43:03 -0800

From: purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net

Subject: Fw: 601XL Upgrades

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  .ExternalClass DIV {;}    Yep Ken  C I'am so excited I've already wet my pants just thinking about how much fun it's gona be tearing my plane apart Cscrewing up the paint Cdrilling out all those  rivets Cand then I get to put it all back together.Oh it's going to be real fun Cnot to mention Paying for the up grades  Cand the rivits  Cand the paint and I'am sure that all the up grades will make my plane much stronger and much more safer. Isn't that the way it was supose to be when I paid for it the frist time?? Do you think I'll be able to get more money for it when I try to sell it? You would have to be a damm fool to by a 601XL . My plane has the best of every thing in it . RAM eng CSub 4 redrive Cprince-P tip prop Ctuned intake/with flowed heads Ctuned exhast Cceramiccoated inside and out CTerra raidos/wILS 2-min elect turn CLoranGPS C Parking brakes Cthe list goes on and on...The only place I come up short is the WINGS and FUSELAGE C but that no big deal is it Ken CBet I be lucky to get $30 C000  for such a GREAT plane you need to quit sniffing those covair exhast fumes!    Joe N101HD



 

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Hey Folks C



We are certainly being given a lot of information in a short period of time and it can be overwhelming.  We all have some work ahead of us.  That said C I am excited about the upgrades being offered by Zenith.  I feel that the modifications take an already great airplane and make it that much better.



We should all keep a positive outlook and move forward.



Ken Pavlou



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