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mdx400(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: Changer Options

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>

Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com

To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Changer Options

Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:17:57 -0800






"MrBlackC2003",



As far as MP3 options are concerned for your C90/4000x, there's only really 

one option right now as far as I'm concerned: Check out the Phatbox by 

Phatnoise - http://www.phatnoise.com/



Matt Dralle




	


There are actually other options, besides the Phatbox (which is fairly 

overpriced IMO)...  I've tried to post this before (when I first heard about 

it perhaps half a year ago) but I was having problems posting to the list 

(returned emails) and didn't want to be bothered retyping stuff, lol...



Anyway, if you have/get a Sony NW-HD1*, HD3 or HD5 Walkman (portable 

HDD-based DAP (digital audio player)) you can actually integrate it with 

UniLink...  All three of these units have a 20G capacity and utilise either 

ATRAC3/3plus or MP3 files on the internal HDD.



*The reason I put an asterisk beside the HD1 is because the HD1 was not 

originally capable of playing MP3 files, only ATRAC3/3plus.  Sony did offer 

a firmware upgrade, however, which allowed it to be the equivalent of the 

HD1.  Unfortunately the firmware update offer is permanently closed now 

(ended March 31st 2006) so you either have to have an HD3 or HD5 or newer 

(or already upgraded HD1) for MP3 capability.



Note also that these players have all been discontinued but can be had in 

"used-but-excellent-condition" in the neighbourhood of $120-$200 US.  The 

new Sony player equivalent the NW-A3000 is not yet available in the US (but 

is available almost everywhere else in the world actually) is not supported 

by the interface.



Anyway, a company called Connects2 makes an interface for these 3 players to 

connect to UniLink...  The interface which runs ~$100 US and allows you to 

control the HDx and also display all normal information (album/artist title, 

track title, track time, etc.) on the HU.  It interfaces with the HU as 

would any changer and displays text info as if it were a CD-Text changer.



There's only one small problem with the interface, that is the fact that 

Sony utilises a line-out mode for the headphones jack (switches the output 

impedance and voltage for line out); so both LINE OUT and HEADPHONES out use 

the same jack.  The problem is that the player will not engage LINE OUT mode 

when there is a remote plugged into the jack.  The Connects2 adapter, of 

course, must use the remote/headphones jack for control/data and audio.  

Therefore the only thing you can do is connect the player and set the volume 

to maximum, which isn't quite as good as using the true line-out mode 



There is no way past that limitation, short of hard-modding the player 

(something I'm looking into doing myself since I have two HD3s and can 

dedicate one to car-only use).



The Phatbox does offer larger capacities I suppose, but it can't also be 

your personal portable DAP as well   The iPod does offer larger capacities 

(than the 20G Network Walkmans I mean) and there are also iPod to UniLink 

adapters...



Sony was also supposed to make their own Walkman-to-UniLink adapter but 

(perhaps since Connects2 beat them to the punch) they opted not to do that 

and what they did do was make an *iPod* interface!!!  Yes absolutely stupid 

(but not unbelieveable given the stupid things Sony does) that they would 

support a competing product for their HUs instead of their own Walkmans but 

they did it anyway.  That interface is known as the XA-110IP and allows 

data/control/audio from a compatible iPod.



Connects2 also makes an iPod interface for UniLink in addition to their 

Walkman interface.



The Connects2 Walkman-UniLink adapter is part # ASONWHD001; Connects2 is a 

UK company, their US distributor, Connects2 USA, calls this adapter the 

MSC-01.



Links:

UK:

http://www.connects2.com/c2search.aspx?catID=15&pat=1&amid=1

USA:

https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id

Crutchfield (USA):

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-mnZH0qjFkkB/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=770&I=634MSC01



The Connects2 iPod-UniLink adapter is part # ASOIPOD001 / In the US, MSC-02

Links:

UK:

http://www.connects2.com/c2search.aspx?catID=27&pat=1&amid=1

USA:

https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id=21



The Sony iPod-UniLink interface:

Crutchfield:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-mnZH0qjFkkB/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=770&I=158XA110IP



I don't really endorse anything iPod or Apple in any way, because one the 

iPod stinks and two I hate Apple and believe they should go bankrupt, lol.  

But there's the info anyway.



Note that none of these interfaces has any kind of pass-through (Crutchfield 

erronously states Sony's XA-110IP does but it clearly doesn't); therefore if 

any are to be connected in addition to other changer devices an XA-C30 or 

other Sony MCA is required.



Hope that info helps!



Roland M.

mdx400(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: Changer Options

 	  Quote: 	
		  

The Connects2 Walkman-UniLink adapter is part # ASONWHD001; Connects2 is a

UK company, their US distributor, Connects2 USA, calls this adapter the

MSC-01.



Links:

UK:

http://www.connects2.com/c2search.aspx?catID=15&pat=1&amid=1

USA:

https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id

Crutchfield (USA):

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-mnZH0qjFkkB/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=770&I=634MSC01


	


Just a quick correction, the Connects2USA link above for the 

Walkman-to-UniLink adapter did not cut/paste properly...



The link should be:

https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id



Roland M.

mdx400(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: Changer Options

 	  Quote: 	
		   >

The link should be:

https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id



Roland M.




	


Somehow I've managed to post the link incorrectly *twice*!?!?!



One more time:



https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id

mdx400(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: Changer Options

 	  Quote: 	
		  

Somehow I've managed to post the link incorrectly *twice*!?!?!



One more time:



https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id


	


Link is still wrong???  



Apparently it isn't me, for some reason it is getting the "=20" of "id=20" 

cutoff at the end???  Show up when I post but not when I get the email.  

Weird.



Anyway I'm sure ppl would have found the product listing anyway...

randyman(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: Changer Options

Roland - you ROCK!  I am researching the Sony Walkman + Unilink adaptor

right now, as well as the iPod-Unilink adaptor (I would have never

known!!!).

Thanks!!!

Randy V

Where's my Vodka???

On 4/9/06, Roland M <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 > >

 >The link should be:

 >https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id

 >

 >Roland M.

 >

 Somehow I've managed to post the link incorrectly *twice*!?!?!

 One more time:

 https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id

--

Randy V.

Houston, TX

Audio-Dude/Musician/Crazy Guy

randyman(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: Changer Options

Hey,

Does anyone know the story with Sony's Sony XAV-A1?  It has Unilink for an

external TV-Tuner, but will it control a XDP-4000x?  I doubt it. Anyone know

for sure?

Linky:  http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_XAV_A1/4505-3426_7-31424074.html

Why on EARTH would Sony NOT support the XDP-4000x?  It would be a perfect

"Upgrade" path for those of us that don't want to let go of the XDP-4000x

and an optically connected Changer, but would love to have MP3 capability

and a 7" Display!  I doubt Sony would do something that smart  .  So, we

stick with the C90, and Sony does not see any more cash...

Still looking at the I-Pod Unilink adaptor (is this brand-new?  I can't find

it in stock), and the HD-3/5 adaptor.  Has anyone actually used these

Unilink devices with a C90?  The description says "Compatible with select

2000 and newer Sony Uniliny HU's" - wasn't that before the C90's time?

Let me know any info

Randy V.

On 4/9/06, Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

  Roland - you ROCK!  I am researching the Sony Walkman + Unilink adaptor

 right now, as well as the iPod-Unilink adaptor (I would have never

 known!!!).

 Thanks!!!

 Randy V

 Where's my Vodka???

  On 4/9/06, Roland M <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 >

 > 

 >

 > > >

 > >The link should be:

 > > https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id

 > >

 > >Roland M.

 > >

 >

 > Somehow I've managed to post the link incorrectly *twice*!?!?!

 >

 > One more time:

 >

 > https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id

 >

 >

 >

 >

 --

 Randy V.

 Houston, TX

 Audio-Dude/Musician/Crazy Guy

--

Randy V.

Houston, TX

Audio-Dude/Musician/Crazy Guy

jtholley03(at)adelphia.ne
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:03 am Post subject: Changer Options

On 4/9/06 10:15 PM, "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   XA-110IP


	


Thanks for the info on the XA-110IP! I bought the XA-100 not knowing that

this existed. I will get one of these for my Ipod.



jtholley03

jtholley03(at)adelphia.ne
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: Changer Options

Meant the XA-300

On 4/10/06 9:01 AM, "jtholley03" <jtholley03(at)adelphia.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 On 4/9/06 10:15 PM, "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 

> XA-110IP

 

 Thanks for the info on the XA-110IP! I bought the XA-100 not knowing that

 this existed. I will get one of these for my Ipod.

 

 jtholley03

mdx400(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: Changer Options

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Hey,



Does anyone know the story with Sony's Sony XAV-A1?  It has Unilink for an

external TV-Tuner, but will it control a XDP-4000x?  I doubt it. Anyone 

know

for sure?



Linky:  http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_XAV_A1/4505-3426_7-31424074.html



Why on EARTH would Sony NOT support the XDP-4000x?  It would be a perfect

"Upgrade" path for those of us that don't want to let go of the XDP-4000x

and an optically connected Changer, but would love to have MP3 capability

and a 7" Display!  I doubt Sony would do something that smart  .  So, we

stick with the C90, and Sony does not see any more cash...




	


Hmm, it makes perfect sense to *us* but to Sony, the XDP-4000X was 

discontinued long ago and with it any new products supporting it.  If 

anything Sony would have to make some new XDP unit perhaps with DD/DTS 

decoding and perhaps SACD as well.  (Though SACD is pretty much dead by now 

anyway.)  But, they aren't going to be in any rush to do even that.  Seems 

external processors in car audio have long gone "out of style" and aren't 

something the mainstream market even considers.  Surely there is still a 

small market for high-end products that utilise separate components, but the 

money probably just isn't there for them to bother.  Ceeding that particular 

market to companies like Alpine seems disappointing but considering Sony 

does far more business than car A/V (whereas Alpine does very little more 

than that) I guess it just doesn't make sense to them.  Though Sony may not 

see anymore cash from you, you can bet they are raking it in otherwise, LOL!



Anyway, at least Sony's mainstream offerings have improved markedly starting 

in 2005.  An interesting thing I noted with their 2006 models is that they 

have now dropped the TI/Burr-Brown D/As they were using for the 2005 models. 

  Instead, they've gone with "DSP integrated" 24-bit D/A conversion and 

proprietary DSP/system controller ICs.  Certainly more efficient but I 

wonder if the sound is better or worse, or if it makes much difference?  

They're calling this "X-DSP with Time Alignment" and they're now including 

EQ13 instead of the older EQ7, on some models.



It's likely no match for the XDP-4000X; but, truth be told, todays HUs at 

least have the power/quality/features of my XDP-210EQ all built-into the HU 

already.  The only difference is that without any digital connections to 

speak of, the only thing that gets all digital-domain processing is the HU 

(and it's CD drive) itself, everything else goes 

analog-->HU-->digitised-->analog-->amps.  But if you think about it, most 

people these days don't even buy CD changers.  Sure most of us that use this 

list have *multiple* changers, lol; but I think changer sales are a lot 

lower than they once were--you can even tell by the number of models each 

manufacturer has now.  The main thing to be connected today is an iPod or 

other portable DAP--by and large people just don't use CDs like they used 

to.



Again though this doesn't really do much for anyone with a XDP-4kX, it seems 

that mainstream decks have increased in sound quality/features.  Other 

manufacturers have done the same over the years, increasing feature sets 

included in their HUs; though with Sony it seems they went through ~5 years 

of producing absolute garbage to catch up, LOL.



Though I would definitely like to see them produce a successor XDP unit, I'd 

still buy one of a number of today's better mainstream HUs produced by 

various companies--they are at least a lot simpler to deal with, many of 

them removing the need for external processing.



Roland M.

csmcgrn(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: Changer Options

I have one of these Connects2 units hooked up to my c90/4000x system and it works fine. sounds ok too, with WAV files on the HD3. Atrac3 is ok too, but not MP3. 

  you can control the hd3 from the head and also still from the player it self. It does not however charge the hd3, so you will need a 12v ciggy lighter or similar attachment to usb to charge it.

  Mark

Randy Visentine <randyman(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Roland - you ROCK! I am researching the Sony Walkman + Unilink adaptor

right now, as well as the iPod-Unilink adaptor (I would have never

known!!!).

Thanks!!!

Randy V

Where's my Vodka???

On 4/9/06, Roland M wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 > >

 >The link should be:

 >https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id

 >

 >Roland M.

 >

 Somehow I've managed to post the link incorrectly *twice*!?!?!

 One more time:

 https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id

--

Randy V.

Houston, TX

Audio-Dude/Musician/Crazy Guy

mdx400(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: Changer Options

 	  Quote: 	

Meant the XA-300

On 4/10/06 9:01 AM, "jtholley03" <jtholley03(at)adelphia.net> wrote:

 > 

<jtholley03(at)adelphia.net>

 >

 > On 4/9/06 10:15 PM, "Roland M" <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 >

 >> XA-110IP

 >

 > Thanks for the info on the XA-110IP! I bought the XA-100 not knowing 

that

 > this existed. I will get one of these for my Ipod.

 >

 > jtholley03

 	  Quote: 	
		  Still looking at the I-Pod Unilink adaptor (is this brand-new?  I can't 

find

it in stock), and the HD-3/5 adaptor.  Has anyone actually used these

Unilink devices with a C90?  The description says "Compatible with select

2000 and newer Sony Uniliny HU's" - wasn't that before the C90's time?

Let me know any info

Randy V.

To address both of the above, yes the XA-110IP is brand new--a 2006 model 

from Sony.  It isn't available just yet but should be very shortly.

I'm not sure about the compatibility of the XA-110IP, but Connects2's iPod 

interface (ASOIPOD001 / MSC-02) should work with the C90.  They've had 

random incompatibility problems with certain UniLink HUs here and there, but 

it should work.  Connects2 products (bought through Crutchfield or even 

Connects2 directly) have a return policy so if it doesn't work/do what you 

want it to you can return it for a refund 

I would think the Sony XA-110IP would work and they're just saying "2000 and 

later" just to not have to deal with older units, but I have no idea really. 

  *Unlesss*....The only thing I can think of is that they *might* have used 

that oh-so-stupid "ID3 Text" business that their MX (MP3-CD) changers use.  

You know the text that is neither transmitted to the HU via MD Text nor 

CD-Text and is only compatible with 2000 and later HUs?  LOL.  It might be 

that.

However, the Connects2 adapters use CD-Text so as long as your HU supports 

CD-Text then you're fine.

As there was a downside to using the Walkman-Unilink adapter (no Line-Out), 

there is also a downside to using the iPod adapter.

Now I'm unsure if Sony has done anything different than Connects2 but if you 

think about UniLink to begin with it doesn't really have the facility to 

handle something like browsing through a DAP.  First of all, all you have 

for "browsing" at all is the 8-char. CustomFile through the "LIST-up" 

feature and who knows how many albums (CDs) that's limited to because all 

Sony's ever had was a max of 10 CDs in a changer.

So that's a problem either with the iPod or the Walkman interface.  Going 

through albums with album +/- is a real pain.

*BUT* the iPod makes this even more difficult...  With the Walkman adapter, 

though the Walkman locks out line-out mode, it doesn't lock out the controls 

on the unit--you're free to browse about on the player as you would normally 

and that easily makes up for the lack of "browsability" on the HU.

However the iPod doesn't work like that!  The iPod because of it's design, 

locks out something perhaps more important--the controls!  iPod has two 

remote modes--Simple and Full.  In order to get text/data from the iPod to 

go on the HU, the iPod *must* be accessed in Full remote mode.  But when in 

full remote mode the iPod disables it's controls.  Therefore you can't 

navigate on the iPod itself, only on the HU which only allows Album +/- and 

not really much else for navigating through your music.

The only alternative to this (if control on the iPod is still desired) is to 

not have any text/data displayed on the HU (but retain simple controls like 

track +/-, etc.) and use the Simple remote mode.  Connects2 has also 

released another iPod adapter that does just this, it is the ASOIPOD002.  

Using this you get simple controls and no text or data (track number/time 

are not displayed either).  That's the UK number though and I'm unsure if 

their US division stocks or sells that model.

(Note that Sony's XA-110IP, if it displays text, must operate in Full remote 

mode and therefore controls on the iPod will be disabled.)

So either way you have trade-offs, unfortunately.  With a Sony Walkman you 

lose line-out.  With the iPod you can either choose between text/data and 

poor navigation (on the HU only) or no text/data and the ability to navigate 

on the iPod (which IMO you might as well just use AUX input if you're going 

to do that).  Note that all of these limitations are actually limitations of 

the portable devices and not really poor design of the interfaces--there's 

just no way around those things.

Roland M.

mdx400(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:01 am Post subject: Changer Options

 	  Quote: 	
		  



I have one of these Connects2 units hooked up to my c90/4000x system and it 

works fine. sounds ok too, with WAV files on the HD3. Atrac3 is ok too, but 

not MP3.




	


?  You can't put WAV files on an HD3, it doesn't suport them.  (I have two 

HD3s so I'm pretty sure of this).  If you're putting WAVs on through 

SonicStage, be assured they are being converted to ATRAC3/3plus first.  MP3 

files sound great on the HD3 IMO, with good MP3 files at least.  And I've 

never read any reports/reviews otherwise, regarding it's MP3 capability.  It 

handles pretty much every MP3 you throw at it too, CBR, ABR, or VBR provided 

it's 44.1kHz stereo.  It also does ATRAC3 and ATRAC3plus but not WMA or WAV 

(or any other formats) without conversion first.  ATRAC3plus is arguably 

better than MP3 as well, offering bitrates up to 352kbps (MP3 is limited to 

320kbps).



 	  Quote: 	
		     you can control the hd3 from the head and also still from the player it 

self. It does not however charge the hd3, so you will need a 12v ciggy 

lighter or similar attachment to usb to charge it.



   Mark




	


No unfortunately (again a limitation by the HD3 itself rather than the 

interface as the dock connection offers no audio) the interface cannot 

charge the HDx unit; though the iPod interfaces do charge/power the iPod.



Roland M.

tbone7467(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: Changer Options

will any of them work with video that is what I am interested in doing.



Roland M <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> wrote:  



 	  Quote: 	
		  

Somehow I've managed to post the link incorrectly *twice*!?!?!



One more time:



https://www.connects2usa.com/products.php?id


	


Link is still wrong???  



Apparently it isn't me, for some reason it is getting the "=20" of "id=20" 

cutoff at the end??? Show up when I post but not when I get the email. 

Weird.



Anyway I'm sure ppl would have found the product listing anyway...



		

---------------------------------

tbone7467(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: Changer Options

wanna sell your xa-300 if you get the xa-110ip



jtholley03 <jtholley03(at)adelphia.net> wrote:  



Meant the XA-300

On 4/10/06 9:01 AM, "jtholley03" wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 On 4/9/06 10:15 PM, "Roland M" wrote:

 

> XA-110IP

 

 Thanks for the info on the XA-110IP! I bought the XA-100 not knowing that

 this existed. I will get one of these for my Ipod.

 

 jtholley03


	




		

---------------------------------

jtholley03(at)adelphia.ne
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: Changer Options

 	  Quote: 	
		   wanna sell your xa-300 if you get the xa-110ip


	


I think I'll keep it regardless.



They are only $99 new at Crutchfield.



I want to put video in although I hear the 4000 delays the sound.

mdx400(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: Changer Options

 	  Quote: 	
		  



will any of them work with video that is what I am interested in doing.




	


Did you mean will any of them work with the iPod video models?

mdx400(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: Changer Options

 	  Quote: 	
		  



 > wanna sell your xa-300 if you get the xa-110ip



I think I'll keep it regardless.



They are only $99 new at Crutchfield.



I want to put video in although I hear the 4000 delays the sound.




	


Yeah the XA-300 really isn't *that* badly priced considering what you get.  

The quality of the unit is definitely very good as well.  The USB input (if 

you ever use it) utilises Burr-Brown D/A as well (it tells you this in 

Windows when it detects the unit on your PC).



You can also get one on eBay cheaper than that.  Usually around $60-$70 US 

or so.  I got mine a few years ago, on eBay, for like $40 shipped, since it 

didn't have a UniLink cable with it...



Roland M.

tbone7467(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: Changer Options

Sorry, yes that what i meant I was in a hurry when I typed that. I am looking for something for video. Either that I am getting the DVD changer that sony makes



Roland M <mdx400(at)hotmail.com> wrote:  



 	  Quote: 	
		  



will any of them work with video that is what I am interested in doing.




	


Did you mean will any of them work with the iPod video models?



		

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telmnstr(at)757.org
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: Changer Options

 	  Quote: 	
		   Sorry, yes that what i meant I was in a hurry when I typed that. I am 

 looking for something for video. Either that I am getting the DVD 

 changer that sony makes


	


In the usual retarded modern Sony fashion, I believe the DVD player 

doesn't directly work with unilink. There is an adaptor box. I'm curious, 

does it turn on the optical inputs for the DVD changer? Or can it not do 2 

channel digital audio?



Beware, some say the XDP4000 adds a delay as the DSP processors do their 

thing, which may cause video to unsync.



I use an Xbox in the car (xbox media center) and have no problems with the 

210EQ but it is much lesser of a unit, and I'm not using SPDIF output on 

the xbox yet. Xbox makes a great $90 mobile media center. You can upgrade 

the hardrive and store large collection of sorted 

mp3/wav/divx/mpeg1/mpeg2/mpeg4. Add a wireless access point for easy FTP 

of new media.

 				- Ethan

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