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Pete Fowler

Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Posts: 76
Location: California

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

Over the last couple of months, as I get closer to buying a Nanchang, I started to get the uncomfortable feeling that I'm coming in to the "market" too late and the Housai, (and even MP14) motors are going to become either unavailable or so expensive in, say, 5-10 years (the period of most use of my plane) that at the end, the plane will be worth 0 because of the unavailability or astronomical expense of replacement motors for my use or the next owner.



Now, with the MP14, I see that an infrastructure is going to be there to rebuild motors (at a high cost). The Housai appears to have no such future.



What is the list's thinking on this subject? I want to think well down the road before I purchase my Nanchang.

RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:39 am Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

I'm not a owner, or at this point even a prospective owner. But the  question posted  made me wonder if the Nanchang could be re engined?  Obviously the MP14 has been done. But what about say a R-985? Too big? Too  costly? Any other options? Maybe if Rotec continues to develop their radials for  more power? 

 Rotec Radial Engines Round  Engines R2800 R3600 Rotecradial Currently the big engine only puts out  150hp. But, maybe add another row of cylinders? Might get it close to the  Nanchang's power?

  

 Boyce

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alikatz(at)mbay.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

Pete,

  Great question, nobody knows what's going to happen 5 or 10 years down the 

Road. The CJ's are still being built today, which means the chinese have to 

support them, Doug Sapp is the Biggest Supplier of the CJ Parts, I have 

parts that I've brought in for my Dads Aircraft and a few aircraft here on 

the field. When the Chinese or Russians start offering Parts at a ridiculous 

cost and nobody jumps on thier offer, eventually they're going to need to 

wake up and start working with us as they have in the Past..



  I personally don't think you're jumping into the CJ/Yak community or " 

market " as you put it, too late,  infact I think it's a really good time to 

jump in and get the Plane that fits your needs. Again, I know Bob really 

well, I know he keeps his plane in excellent Shape, as I mentioned earlier, 

he has a Factory Overhauled Engine on it, the Engine will probably outlast 

all of us as long as you take care of it. I hope this helps.



Best Regards

Jim

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ChangDriver

Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Posts: 266

Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: The future of Nanchangs?

None of us know what the future holds for our planes or engines.  There are a considerable number in the US and worldwide so it would make sense at some point that a company step up to make parts for the engines to be overhauled.  Many M-14 parts can be used on the Housai.  I'd just jump in, get a plane and have fun.  The community is great and the planes are fun.



As for engines...I have also thought about other radials and the options would mostly be Jacobs because there are engines available.  The R755A2 is rated 300 Hp, the R915 is rated 330 Hp and the R830 is rated 285.  However, all these engines do turn the wrong way   I have no idea if the dimensions of any of these would work.



Craig

cjpilot710(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

In a message dated 11/19/2009 8:18:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  capav8r(at)gmail.com writes:

  

  

 Modified V6 / V8s might be interesting to look into.  There have been  a number of reductions units, that look good and simple.  Most complicated  part is it seem to me, to be putting in 2 spark plugs per cylinder and mags IF  you want to stay "traditional". 

  

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None of us know what the future holds for our    planes or engines.  There are a considerable number in the US and    worldwide so it would make sense at some point that a company step up to make    parts for the engines to be overhauled.  Many M-14 parts can be used on    the Housai.  I'd just jump in, get a plane and have fun.  The    community is great and the planes are fun.



As for engines...I have also    thought about other radials and the options would mostly be Jacobs because    there are engines available.  The R755A2 is rated 300 Hp, the R915 is    rated 330 Hp and the R830 is rated 285.  However, all these engines do    turn the wrong way   I have no idea if the dimensions of any of these    would work.



Craig





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barryhancock

Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: Re: The future of Nanchangs?

Pappy, you speak blasphemy!!!  If it ain't round, stay on the ground, brother!  



We have done a rough engineering study on putting a 985 on a CJ and it just doesn't work.  You could get around the fact that the engine is 6" bigger in diameter, but the weight is just too much more.  You'd be better off throwing that R&D into domestic overhaul capabilities for the Housai.



Happy Flying,



Barry

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jblake207(at)COMCAST.NET
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

Speaking of overhaul, who are the best peole to overhaul the Housai?   

Contact me off list with a quote please. jblake207(at)comcast.net (jblake207(at)comcast.net) 

  



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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

Listers and lurkers,

The days of 10 to 15K HS6A 1st or 2nd overhauled engines are long over.  Look forward to 20 to 25K pricing by spring (if they are even available).   A 9 to 10K top overhaul (parts only) is looking like the best and most cost effective way to go since most of the lower ends are still in pretty good shape and are designed to run 2000 to 2500 hours even on Chinese oils.  A top overhaul installed with the Total Seal pistons and rings would breath new life (and a bit more hp) into the 1st and second overhaul engines now in service.  We plan to be stocking top overhaul kits by spring of 2010.   



Barry is correct about the R985 being too heavy, but there are other engines out there, like the M462RF (I am installing one right now), the AI14, and the M14B (not P) just to name a few, but there simply is no 0 time 10 to 15K engines out there to be had.  I have one NEW HS6A engine which I bought several years ago in a group of overhauled engines, we have installed the Total Seal rings in it and am holding it in reserve in case the R462RF engine does not work out.  This engine will be for sale in the spring if all goes well with the 462 installation.  I know of no other HS6A new or overhauled engines for sale in the US at this writing.

 



Mag coils are another concern, maybe more so than replacement engine issue as the supply in Russia is near 0, China is nearly out and it's factory is shut down, it is reported that Europe has near 0 stock.  To this end we are in the process of contracting with a US manufacturer to do a small production run.  When they become available I would highly recommend that everyone stock at least one coil as a spare because based on the world wide reports of existing inventories I fully expect the first run to be sold out maybe even before it is produced.  A second run is not possible until fall of 2011.  

 



All the best from Omak,

Doug and Kathleen Sapp 

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 We have done a rough engineering study on putting a 985 on a CJ and it just doesn't work.  You could get around the fact that the engine is 6" bigger in diameter, but the weight is just too much more.  You'd be better off throwing that R&D into domestic overhaul capabilities for the Housai.

  

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wise(at)txc.net.au
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

Doug,

  

 I am interested in these Total seal pistons and  rings that you mention.

  

 What is the big benefit of these rings and pistons  versus factory parts?

 Are they available for the M14P engines and at what  cost?

  

 Thanks,

 Chris.

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

Chris,

For the total seal mod on the M14P contact bill Blackwell 623-703-1001



Best,

Doug



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 I am interested in these Total seal pistons and  rings that you mention.

  

 What is the big benefit of these rings and pistons  versus factory parts?

 Are they available for the M14P engines and at what  cost?

  

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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

Can you imagine how much lead shot you are going to have to put in your tail cone to keep that nose wheel off the ground.   

Doc  

       

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Modified V6 / V8s might be interesting to look into.  There have been a number of reductions units, that look good and simple.  Most complicated part is it seem to me, to be putting in 2 spark plugs per cylinder and mags IF you want to stay "traditional".   

    

   

    

Jim "Pappy" Goolsby  

    

   

    

   

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 None of us know what the future holds for our planes or engines.  There are a considerable number in the US and worldwide so it would make sense at some point that a company step up to make parts for the engines to be overhauled.  Many M-14 parts can be used on the Housai.  I'd just jump in, get a plane and have fun.  The community is great and the planes are fun.

 

 As for engines...I have also thought about other radials and the options would mostly be Jacobs because there are engines available.  The R755A2 is rated 300 Hp, the R915 is rated 330 Hp and the R830 is rated 285.  However, all these engines do turn the wrong way   I have no idea if the dimensions of any of these would work.

 

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N642K

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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: Re: The future of Nanchangs?

Doug Sapp stated:



Barry is correct about the R985 being too heavy, but there are other engines out there, like the M462RF (I amï¿½installingï¿½one right now), the AI14, and the M14B (not P) just to name a few, but there simply is no 0 time 10 to 15K engines out there to be had.



Doug does that mean you can't put an M-14P on a Nanchang?  How about a B with a P nose case?



Thanks,

Mike DeCanio

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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

I was thinking the B had a different prop flange, but otherwise  

similar to the P. Is that right?



On Nov 24, 2009, at 8:25 AM, N642K wrote:



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 Doug Sapp stated:



 Barry is correct about the R985 being too heavy, but there are other  

 engines out there, like the M462RF (I amï¿½installingï¿½one right  

 now), the AI14, and the M14B (not P) just to name a few, but there  

 simply is no 0 time 10 to 15K engines out there to be had.



 Doug does that mean you can't put an M-14P on a Nanchang?  How about  

 a B with a P nose case?



 Thanks,

 Mike DeCanio





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richard.goode(at)russiana
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:30 am Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

The M14B ia an excellent engine-while very similar to the P it is somewhat 

improved.

Nominally a 300 HP,this is simply due to lower RPM,and it gives 360 at the 

same rpm as the P.

Of course a different gearbox and flange.

Also,not many made!!

Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds Farm

Lyonshall

Hereford

HR5 3LW

United Kingdom



Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120

Fax:  +44 (0) 1544 340129

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I'm currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is 

+94 779 132 160.

dougsappllc(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:44 am Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

Mike,Of course you can put a P on a CJ, I did not mean to infer that you could not, and yes with a mod to the engine mount you can install a B and run a stock CJ prop or install a P nose case and run the V530 or MT. Â All this is pretty commonly known, I was just mentioning a few engine types which I thought most folks were not aware of. Â Sorry if I caused some confusion with the wording, after rereading it I can understand your question.

 



Best,

Doug



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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: The future of Nanchangs?

Aluminum blocks and heads Doc.  

  

 They weigh less than you might think.  

  

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Can you imagine how much lead shot you are going to have to put in your tail cone to keep that nose wheel off the ground. 

 

Doc

 

 

   

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Modified V6 / V8s might be interesting to look into.  There have been a number of reductions units, that look good and simple.  Most complicated part is it seem to me, to be putting in 2 spark plugs per cylinder and mags IF you want to stay "traditional". 



  

 



  

Jim "Pappy" Goolsby



  

 



  

 



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None of us know what the future holds for our planes or engines.  There are a considerable number in the US and worldwide so it would make sense at some point that a company step up to make parts for the engines to be overhauled.  Many M-14 parts can be used on the Housai.  I'd just jump in, get a plane and have fun.  The community is great and the planes are fun.



As for engines...I have also thought about other radials and the options would mostly be Jacobs because there are engines available.  The R755A2 is rated 300 Hp, the R915 is rated 330 Hp and the R830 is rated 285.  However, all these engines do turn the wrong way   I have no idea if the dimensions of any of these would work.



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