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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

It was great to get down to Sun-N-Fun.  In the past there was not much 

there and one day was enough, but now that I am building the two days 

was just not enough.  Too much to do and see.  You can see some of my 

photos here <http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/index.html>.



There were 3 customer built RV-10 at the show when I was there.  

Unfortunately I did not get t a close look at the TruTrak RV.  But both 

Vic and Tim 10s are great looking.  A special thanks to Tim for letting 

me sit in the pilots seat while he turned on the Cheltons and avionics.  

I sat there making airplane noises and dreaming I was flying my 

completed 10.



As you know Tim's panel is has the Cheltons side by side and Vic's are 

up and down, and both would not change the layout.  After sitting in 

Tim's plane, side by side works best for me.  It sure is great to have 

the flexibility to make your own choice and put the plane together as 

you want.



I had thought that I would put inertial reals in for the seat belts.  

But with the Tims seat belts on tight I could easily reach the panel and 

the avionics stack over to the right.  Vic's Crow Enterprizes belts with 

the rotary latch look very comfortable.  For me it will be fixed belts, 

but the wider hooker or crow type with rotary latches.



Paint cracking happens where the windows meet the fiberglass canopy.  

Vic suggested putting e-glass around the exterior of the window which 

may stop or reduce the cracking.



Vic has his oxygen bottle mounted between the passenger seats.  It 

looked like a good place to mount it in lieu of hanging in on the 

co-pilot seat 

<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Vic%20RV10/slides/2006-04-07-SnF-25.html>.  

Cirrus has a similar install.  If anyone can take a picture of the 

Cirrus O2 installation and email them to me, it would be greatly 

appreciated.



Accuracy Avionics has an overhead console for the 10.  I bought one.  I 

have pictures and comments on my web site you can see them here 

<http://lrosen.nerv10.com/Construct/SunNFun_2006/Overhead/index.html>.  

Tony and Eric have put together a nice product.  It has six cockpit 

lights for the pilot & co-pilot, rear passengers and the baggage area.  

Four vents for overhead ventilation and a bar to hang clothing in the 

baggage area.  A scoop mounts to the intersecting fairing and scat tubes 

connect to the overhead console to pressurize  it.  There is an area to 

mount an overhead DVD player that flips down (cool).  The package comes 

in 3 flavors.  Basic, standard and deluxe.  List price is $1,295, 

$2,295, and $2,495 respectively.  The basic is the console straight from 

the mold and primed.  Standard adds the DVD player, six cockpit lights 

and 4 eyeball vents.  Deluxe adds installation of the components 

including the nut plates & seal.  I bought the standard.  Tony and Eric 

are also putting together a center console and a variety of fiberglass 

panels.  I cannot wait to see the rest of their offerings. 

Contact information is: Tony Sustare, Accuracy Avionics, 63020 Powel 

Butte Highway, Suite 1, Bend, Oregon 97701

Phone 866/KIT-PANL email: TonyS at accuracy avionics dot com



Josh from Direct2 had the Chelton SV-10 wire harness there.  It looked 

complete and well put together, but it was hard to tell with everything 

curled up.  They even have mounts for the GADAHRS and magnetometer  

Hopefully the wire harness will ship to me soon.  Chelton is working on 

integrating XM weather in addition to WSI weather to give you a choice.



Avionics Systems <http://www.avionikits.com/> has a modular molded 

fiberglass panel that allows the avionics stack to be located anywhere 

on the panel.  They has a system on display with the avionics stack to 

the right of the center rib.  If anyone has a photo of this panel please 

email it to me.



Advanced Flight Systems new EFIS & Engine monitoring graphics are 

outstanding.  Grand Rapids better watch out.  Currently the AFS system 

does not have all the functionality as the GRT system, but with the 

better screen it has the potential to blow away the GRT and challenge 

the Chelton systems.  But, this will be too late for me.



TruTrak is also entering the EFIS marked, but not much info on there 

system.  Maybe at OSH.  They did announce a RV-10 autopilot.  I guess it 

positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV.



Plane Power's development of a vacuum pad mounted alternator is not 

going to happen in the near future.  They are working on STC's for their 

existing products.  They want the alternator to work at low engine RPM 

settings and that will take a while.



E-Mag/P-Mag was not at the show.  Sure wish they were.  I need to make a 

decision on an ignition system.



Sorry for the long email.  There is probably more that I forgot.  Any 

comments or additional observations would be appreciated.



-- 



Larry Rosen

RV-10 #356

http://lrosen.nerv10.com

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johncleary(at)mangertonns
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Larry,



This is a wonderfully informative account for those of us who live on the

other side of the globe.



Thank you,

John and Jennifer Cleary

(Completing fairings on empennage)



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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Larry:



What were the prices on the 3 flavors of overhead panel?



Thanks,



TDT



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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

From below



The package comes in 3 flavors.  Basic, standard and deluxe.  List price is $1,295, 

$2,295, and $2,495 respectively.



Larry

Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:



[quote]Larry:



What were the prices on the 3 flavors of overhead panel?



Thanks,



TDT



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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Larry,

I think Tim;s (TDT's) problem was that he speaks French, so

he didn't understand it the first time.  Here, let me

help...

Le packet entre 3 parfums. Fondamental, standard et de luxe. Le prix de 

liste est $1.295, $2.295, et $2.495 respectivement.

(All in good humor)

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Larry Rosen wrote:

[quote] 

  From below

 The package comes in 3 flavors.  Basic, standard and deluxe.  List price 

 is $1,295, $2,295, and $2,495 respectively.

 Larry

 Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:

> Larry:

>

> What were the prices on the 3 flavors of overhead panel?

>

> Thanks,

>

> TDT

>

> do not archive

>

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

WOW, he has a full time job, a flying RV-10, a killer web site, doesn't 

sleep at night and speaks French. 



Tim Olson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Larry,



 I think Tim;s (TDT's) problem was that he speaks French, so

 he didn't understand it the first time.  Here, let me

 help...



 Le packet entre 3 parfums. Fondamental, standard et de luxe. Le prix 

 de liste est $1.295, $2.295, et $2.495 respectivement.



 (All in good humor)



 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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#40356
N205EN (reserved)
<http>

Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Hey, golly, there's this scroll bar thingy here and if you move it, more words show up!

I prefer:

Das Pauschalangebot hat drei Arten.  Einfach, Standardmaessig, und Luxus.  Der Listenpreis steht beziehungsweise bei $1,295, $2,295, und $2,495.



TDT 

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johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Paint cracking is a well documented problem with a clear solution in the

Lancair community.  That subject will get some coverage in the next week

or two.



John - $00.02



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glastar(at)gmx.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Hi Tim, 

 

 this time bablefish goofed a bit, not as much as on the French but hey that's limitation it is  what did we do before the Internet?

 

 Werner

 

 Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote: [quote]   [quote]Hey, golly, there's this scroll bar thingy here and if you move it, more words show up!   I prefer: Das Pauschalangebot hat drei Arten.  Einfach, Standardmaessig, und Luxus.  Der Listenpreis steht beziehungsweise bei $1,295, $2,295, und $2,495.  TDT  do not archive   --

Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:28 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Unfortunately that's my own rusty German, not machine-translated!



TDT

40025



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k5wiv(at)amsat.org
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:24 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Not to mention (based on the SnF photos) a lovely spouse and two cute kids!



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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

In a message dated 4/10/2006 5:50:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, LarryRosen(at)comcast.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I guess it 

positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV 	


 Tim, I spent a few minutes with the guys at TruTrak...they said the new RV10 AP does every thing the Sorcerer does except intercept approaches...and that they would unveil the new screen with details at OSH...someone at another screen shop said the new screen would be a rather simple screen and not at complete at the Chilton system...but probably only time will tell---see you at OSH...sorry to have missed meeting up with you all.

  

 Patrick 

  

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Patrick, I presume you meant to write this autopilot does everything except intercept an ILS – presumably a GPS approach would be a piece of cake.  

   

TDT  

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com

 Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:39 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments  

  

       

In a message dated 4/10/2006 5:50:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, LarryRosen(at)comcast.net writes:  

   	  Quote: 	
		    

I guess it 

 positioned somewhere between the Sorcerer and Digiflight IIVSGV  	
  

    

Tim, I spent a few minutes with the guys at TruTrak...they said the new RV10 AP does every thing the Sorcerer does except intercept approaches...and that they would unveil the new screen with details at OSH...someone at another screen shop said the new screen would be a rather simple screen and not at complete at the Chilton system...but probably only time will tell---see you at OSH...sorry to have missed meeting up with you all.  

    

   

    

Patrick   

    

   

    

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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of last week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I was aware of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final approach course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS approach...but I'm not really sure that is correct.

  

 Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.

  

 P

  

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bsponcil(at)belinblank.or
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:55 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Larry,



Did you happen to see the new bluemountain geneation 4 EFIS?  If you did, 

I'd be interested in your impressions.  It looks pretty nice on their 

brochure (but then what product doesn't).  I doubt I'll have the cabbage to 

go with double Cheltons so I'm going to have to decide between GRT, BMA and 

AFS.

-Brian



#40497

N211BD

Iowa City, IA



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CJohnston(at)popsound.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Hey all - 



Is there a way to get air into the overhead panel without putting an

inlet on the intersection fairing?  Does that inlet on the fairing seem

like a bummer to anyone else?  I really like the look of the overhead

panel though.  What is the difference between the 3 flavors?  Anyone?



cj

#40410

wings

www.perfectlygoodairplane.net



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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Do like I did and scroll down the message a little farther . . .



TDT

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

I would think that you would get a lot of water in the system with that

scoop back there.  You could with the normal vents too, but with them

closed, the water won't be able to get in an fill up a scat tube or

anything.  I would think there would have to be a way to close up the scoop

if nothing else.  The overhead panel looks great, though.  Now, to figure

out a way to do that myself without forking out the $1,300....or just do

without it.



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Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

 

I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of

May.  You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check

from down here.  Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at

352-465-4545.



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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Yes, it does seem like a bummer to have that air inlet there and it looks 

much too large for air moving at say 180mph or more. (Drag bucket)  I also 

wonder whether the propeller swirl (P-factor)will cause some of the exhaust 

gasses to find there way up into that air scoop.



I also wonder about moisture.



The overhead does look great however.



John G. #409



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[quote]From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:44:36 -0700






Hey all -



Is there a way to get air into the overhead panel without putting an

inlet on the intersection fairing?  Does that inlet on the fairing seem

like a bummer to anyone else?  I really like the look of the overhead

panel though.  What is the difference between the 3 flavors?  Anyone?



cj

#40410

wings

www.perfectlygoodairplane.net



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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

cj,



To your point about the inlet fairing, all I can add is that the

people looking into the air pressures at various part so

of the fuselage seem to have some experience in these matters and

they determined that a standard flush NACA may not have enough

pressure to provide the air pressure in the chamber.  They thought

it may possibly even provide a vacuum instead of pressure, so

they designed a scoop that would get into the airstream and

provide some positive pressure.  Like anything, there are tradeoffs,

such as drag, but the comfort has value too.  I don't think it will

look bad when done at all.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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