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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Mmm.  Remote-contrlled electric servos closing the vents . . .



Perihelion will sell you some  . . .



TDT

40025

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effectus(at)rogers.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Listers,



It seems to me that it wouldn't be all that difficult to incorporate one of 

Van's NACA scoups onto the tail fairing rather than the one they showed in 

the pictures. That thing looks like it would create a lot of drag.



Dave Hertner

#40164

Emp Done.

Bal of Kit Arrives June 1

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CJohnston(at)popsound.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Tim - 



I couldn't find it on your site - do you have air vents?  Where? Can you

weigh in on the potential importance and/or coolness (pun) of overhead

fresh air?



cj

#40410

wings

www.perfectlygoodairplane.net



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bhughes(at)qnsi.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

The Lancair ES uses a similar method to provide air to the cabin. Comes

in the tail and uses an overhead duct for distribution. It also have a

water collection point inside the tail area with a drain tube. Some of

the ES folks have installed a fan in the tubing to help with ground

cooling. I think the fan is actually a bilge pump of some sort. 



Bobby

40116 



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Robin Marks

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 24
Location: San Luis Obispo, CA

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

My 1953 D35 Bonanza has an adjustable scoop that sits on the top

centerline of the plane and controlled by a cable. It also has a section

inside the cabin to place a wet sponge so that when the ram air passes

over the wet sponge you get a swamp cooler style air conditioner. Works

great! The added bonus is that in cool temps you just close the scoop

and retain the original aerodynamics. I think the image of the scoop

will probably look keen when complete but I sure don't want that hanging

out all the time.



Robin

RV-6A 300 Hours

RV-10 QB On Order

_________________
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 0-360 - C/S Flying

armywrights(at)adelphia.n
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer’s VOR/ILS/GS functions are removed, a yaw dampener is added.  Alex’s wife felt a lot of waggle in the back seat since it’s behind the spar, so he adjusted the software for the price of the VOR/ILS/GS.  In his -10 he can overlay any approach he wants to using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of functionality, and he gains the yaw dampener.  

   

Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters’ experiences?  

   

Rob #392  

Waiting QB shipment  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com

 Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments  

  

     

Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of last week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I was aware of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final approach course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS approach...but I'm not really sure that is correct.  

    

   

    

Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.  

    

   

    

P  

    

   

    

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

I did not bother looking at the bluemountain stuff.  IMHO it is to experimental for my taste.  Also, I am already committed to the Cheltons.



GRT has almost everything you could want, but their graphics just stink.



ASF has the graphics and the potential if you are willing to wait.



Just think all the choices we will have when we build our next airplane.  



Larry



 -------------- Original message ----------------------

From: "Brian Sponcil" <bsponcil(at)belinblank.org>

[quote] 

 

 Larry,

 

 Did you happen to see the new bluemountain geneation 4 EFIS?  If you did, 

 I'd be interested in your impressions.  It looks pretty nice on their 

 brochure (but then what product doesn't).  I doubt I'll have the cabbage to 

 go with double Cheltons so I'm going to have to decide between GRT, BMA and 

 AFS.

 

 

 -Brian

 

 #40497

 N211BD

 Iowa City, IA

 

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_________________
Larry Rosen
#40356
N205EN (reserved)
<http>

armywrights(at)adelphia.n
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

For those of you putting in the overhead venting, is this for air

conditioning?  If so, will you be able to reroute your heating air to the

floor in the winter, or will you output air to all the vents all the time?

What device will you use to split?



Rob

#392



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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

 $40, eBay, Chevy S10 overhead console.  

 

 Michael Sausen

 -10 #352 Fuselage

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

So far I haven't had any complaints from passengers.  I myself did

comment when I did the demo flight that the -10 seemed to have a bit

of a tail waggle oscillation in turbulence....and I wondered if a

yaw dampener might not be a bad idea someday.



That said, from the flight down and back, I rode turbulence all the

way down and didn't experience anything that would cause me to

think a dampener was needed.  On the way home, in the last few

miles, we got tossed around quite a bit and at that time I could

see a use for it...but considering the turbulence I was ok with

how it performed without.  It may be a long term goal.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Robert G. Wright wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer’s VOR/ILS/GS functions 

 are removed, a yaw dampener is added.  Alex’s wife felt a lot of waggle 

 in the back seat since it’s behind the spar, so he adjusted the software 

 for the price of the VOR/ILS/GS.  In his -10 he can overlay any approach 

 he wants to using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of functionality, 

 and he gains the yaw dampener.

 

  

 

 Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters’ 

 experiences?

 

  

 

 Rob #392

 

 Waiting QB shipment

 

  

 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of 

 *GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com

 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments

 

  

 

 Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of 

 last week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I 

 was aware of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final 

 approach course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS 

 approach...but I'm not really sure that is correct.

 

  

 

 Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.

 

  

 

 P

 

  

 

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Rob, I think it will work with the A/C, but most will be just adding it

for the additional, and much more comfortable ventilation. I don't think

it will be merged with the heat, as it will be very hard to get heat

to the tail where it would need to be to go up to the console.  The

heat would be the way it is, and this would just give better ventilation.



Many people asked me at the show if there was anything I'd do

differently, or that I didn't like.  For a while I was telling

people there wasn't....but I was wrong.   The front air vents

are just kind of pitiful.  They put out plenty of air, if you

want your nuts or kneecaps cooled.  If you put them on your face,

you lose all other cooling on your body.  If you point them most

anywhere, your charts go flying.  They're awfully positioned.



On a positive note, Ken Krueger did confirm that they lowered

the NACA cutout 1/4", so at least the won't interfere with the panel

for many of the future builders.  That won't help the sucky location

though, but it may give more mounting options.   If I was starting

over, I'd consider putting a cover plate over that hole, and

adding the vents somewhere else....and I'd definitely be buying

the overhead console.   Or perhaps I'd keep the vents where they are,

but with the overhead console providing most of the ventilation, I'd

make the standard vents with those small ones, instead of the big

ones.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Robert G. Wright wrote:

[quote] 

 

 For those of you putting in the overhead venting, is this for air

 conditioning?  If so, will you be able to reroute your heating air to the

 floor in the winter, or will you output air to all the vents all the time?

 What device will you use to split?

 

 Rob

 #392

 

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weeav8ter(at)grandecom.ne
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

Larry,

  

 Thanks for the great post on what you saw at  Sun-N-Fun. I apparently stayed to close to buildings A thru D

  and didn't make it to the tent with the  overhead unit. I'm really glad you took the pictures and posted  them

  on your site. I think I've decided to get one  also. I tried to call them today but they hadn't made it back from

  Sun-N-Fun yet.

  

 I've really been wondering how I could make that  area look more finished and I think this unit fits the bill. Do

  you think there will be any problem with loss  of head room? It didn't look like it was coming down very far?

  

 Again thanks for your sharing your info with all of  us.

  

 Wayne Edgerton 

  

 #40336 fitting the doors

  

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

I haven’t spent much time in the back seat except one time that I climbed from the front to the back to test the different in C/G, but there was no turbulence then.  I haven’t heard any complaints at all from back seat passengers, at least not about waggle.  

   

By the way, Tim and Randy, can you post a picture of how you sealed your baggage door?  We are getting water back there that I assume comes from the door.  

   

Do not archive.  

     

Jesse Saint  

I-TEC, Inc.  

jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)  

www.itecusa.org  

   

I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of May.  You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check from down here.  Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at 352-465-4545.  

        

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright

 Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:12 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Sun-N-Fun my comments  

  

   

Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer’s VOR/ILS/GS functions are removed, a yaw dampener is added.  Alex’s wife felt a lot of waggle in the back seat since it’s behind the spar, so he adjusted the software for the price of the VOR/ILS/GS.  In his -10 he can overlay any approach he wants to using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of functionality, and he gains the yaw dampener.  

   

Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters’ experiences?  

   

Rob #392  

Waiting QB shipment  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com

 Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments  

  

     

Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of last week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I was aware of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final approach course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS approach...but I'm not really sure that is correct.  

    

   

    

Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.  

    

   

    

P  

    

   

    

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jjessen(at)rcn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

A long time ago, now, after riding in back of Van's demo -10 (son in front),

I posted on this site that when we hit a light bump or two I noticed a

wiggle.  At that time there weren't any other -10's flying and my email went

nowhere.  However, I made a note that if I could afford a yaw dampener, I'd

get one.  Given that one is going to have inexperienced light plane riders

in the back, and I've had one too many lose their cookies in the back of a

182, I suggest seriously thinking about adding one if at all possible.  Not

sure about losing functionality in the autopilot, but those implications

need more time to sink into the gray matter.  



Remember, us folks who fly regularly have our sea legs.  Those poor folks

who sit in the back probably do not have theirs.  



John Jessen

  ~328 (heading into serious buildus interruptus yet again)



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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

I do not think you will loose any head room, since it is maybe 12" wider than the tunnel.  Head room is never an issue for me.  Short at 5'-9"



I do have a few other observations that I just remembered.



There has been questions periodically about where to locate the rudder pedals.  Tim has his in the forward hole, which works for Tim.  When I sat in Tim's pilot seat without moving the seat I was not able to reach the pedals and get full rudder deflection.  Probably if I moved the seat It would work, but then I would be too close to the panel.  The rear position is the right one for me (at) 5'-9".



Tim has the plastic vents installed, he will be replacing them with the metal eye balls.  Save yourself the money and put in the more expensive metal ones.



One of Vic's COM antennas in on the top.  He says it give great performance.  Both on my COMs are on the bottom, with doublers and holes already installed.  Thats where mine will stay unless there is a problem.



Larry

 -------------- Original message ----------------------

From: "Wayne Edgerton" <weeav8ter(at)grandecom.net>

 	  Quote: 	
		   Larry,

 

 Thanks for the great post on what you saw at Sun-N-Fun. I apparently stayed to 

 close to buildings A thru D

  and didn't make it to the tent with the overhead unit. I'm really glad you took 

 the pictures and posted them

  on your site. I think I've decided to get one also. I tried to call them today 

 but they hadn't made it back from

  Sun-N-Fun yet.

 

 I've really been wondering how I could make that area look more finished and I 

 think this unit fits the bill. Do

  you think there will be any problem with loss of head room? It didn't look like 

 it was coming down very far?

 

 Again thanks for your sharing your info with all of us.

 

 Wayne Edgerton 

 

 #40336 fitting the doors

 

 do not archive

_________________
Larry Rosen
#40356
N205EN (reserved)
<http>

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

I sealed mine with a "P" shaped rubber gasket seal from a hardware

store, with stick-on backing.  I haven't had it in rain or

washed it, but I'd be surprised if it leaked much...it's sealed

pretty good.   I did have to buy 2 separate thicknesses since the

levels weren't consistent between some of the horizontal and

vertical areas around the door.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Jesse Saint wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I haven’t spent much time in the back seat except one time that I 

 climbed from the front to the back to test the different in C/G, but 

 there was no turbulence then.  I haven’t heard any complaints at all 

 from back seat passengers, at least not about waggle.

 

  

 

 By the way, Tim and Randy, can you post a picture of how you sealed your 

 baggage door?  We are getting water back there that I assume comes from 

 the door.

 

  

 

 Do not archive.

 

  

 

 Jesse Saint

 

 I-TEC, Inc.

 

 jesse(at)itecusa.org <mailto:jesse(at)itecusa.org>

 

 www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>

 

  

 

 I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of 

 May.  You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can 

 check from down here.  Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC 

 office at 352-465-4545.

 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert G. 

 Wright

 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:12 PM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* RE: Sun-N-Fun my comments

 

  

 

 Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer’s VOR/ILS/GS functions 

 are removed, a yaw dampener is added.  Alex’s wife felt a lot of waggle 

 in the back seat since it’s behind the spar, so he adjusted the software 

 for the price of the VOR/ILS/GS.  In his -10 he can overlay any approach 

 he wants to using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of functionality, 

 and he gains the yaw dampener.

 

  

 

 Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters’ 

 experiences?

 

  

 

 Rob #392

 

 Waiting QB shipment

 

  

 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of 

 *GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com

 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments

 

  

 

 Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of 

 last week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I 

 was aware of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final 

 approach course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS 

 approach...but I'm not really sure that is correct.

 

  

 

 Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.

 

  

 

 P

 

  

 

 do not archive

glastar(at)gmx.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:56 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

What about designing a NACA Inlet for that?



Werner



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John Gonzalez wrote:



[quote] 



 Yes, it does seem like a bummer to have that air inlet there and it 

 looks much too large for air moving at say 180mph or more. (Drag 

 bucket)  I also wonder whether the propeller swirl (P-factor)will 

 cause some of the exhaust gasses to find there way up into that air 

 scoop.



 I also wonder about moisture.



 The overhead does look great however.



 John G. #409



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> From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>

> Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

> To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

> Subject: RE: Sun-N-Fun my comments

> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:44:36 -0700

>

> 

> <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>

>

> Hey all -

>

> Is there a way to get air into the overhead panel without putting an

> inlet on the intersection fairing?  Does that inlet on the fairing seem

> like a bummer to anyone else?  I really like the look of the overhead

> panel though.  What is the difference between the 3 flavors?  Anyone?

>

> cj

> #40410

> wings

> www.perfectlygoodairplane.net

>

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jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:56 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

 About the yaw Damper, about six weeks ago myself and another -10 builder went up to tru trak and got a flight in theirs. They have the rv10  autpilot in it and the weather was bumpy to say the least and we certainly could tell the difference when the yaw was turned on and not turned on. It was not so bad in the front but my partner said he  could reallly tell the difference. We both decided at that point we would get it.

   That's my .02. 

  Pat

  257



John Jessen <jjessen(at)rcn.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen" 



A long time ago, now, after riding in back of Van's demo -10 (son in front),

I posted on this site that when we hit a light bump or two I noticed a

wiggle. At that time there weren't any other -10's flying and my email  went

nowhere. However, I made a note that if I could afford a yaw dampener, I'd

get one. Given that one is going to have inexperienced light plane riders

in the back, and I've had one too many lose their cookies in the back of a

182, I suggest seriously thinking about adding one if at all possible. Not

sure about losing functionality in the autopilot, but those implications

need more time to sink into the gray matter. 



Remember, us folks who fly regularly have our sea legs. Those poor folks

who sit in the back probably do not have theirs. 



John Jessen

~328 (heading into serious buildus interruptus yet again)



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jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:11 am Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

 That is get the Yaw damper.

  Pat



Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

  [quote]   About the yaw Damper, about six weeks ago myself and another -10 builder went up to tru trak and got a flight in theirs. They have the rv10  autpilot in it and the weather was bumpy to say the least and we certainly could tell the difference when the yaw was turned on and not turned on. It was not so bad in the front but my partner said he  could reallly tell the difference. We both decided at that point we would get it.

   That's my .02. 

  Pat

  257



John Jessen <jjessen(at)rcn.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "John Jessen"  



A long time ago, now, after riding in back of Van's demo -10 (son in front),

I posted on this site that when we hit a light bump or two I noticed a

wiggle. At that time there weren't any other -10's flying and my email went

nowhere. However, I made a note that if I could afford a yaw dampener, I'd

get one. Given that one is going to have inexperienced light plane riders

in the back, and I've had one too many lose their cookies in the back of a

182, I suggest seriously thinking about adding one if at all possible. Not

sure about losing functionality in the autopilot, but those implications

need more time to sink into the gray matter. 



Remember, us folks who fly regularly have our sea legs. Those poor folks

who sit in the back probably do not have theirs. 



John Jessen

~328 (heading into serious buildus interruptus yet again)



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Randy(at)abros.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: Sun-N-Fun my comments

The wiggle is only when it is windy.  Other than that it is smooth.  Randy  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert G. Wright

 Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:12 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Sun-N-Fun my comments  

  

   

Talking to Alex DeDominicis (sp?), The Sorcerer’s VOR/ILS/GS functions are removed, a yaw dampener is added.  Alex’s wife felt a lot of waggle in the back seat since it’s behind the spar, so he adjusted the software for the price of the VOR/ILS/GS.  In his -10 he can overlay any approach he wants to using the GNS480, so he sees no real loss of functionality, and he gains the yaw dampener.  

   

Randy, Jesse, Tim, others flying, thoughts about your back seaters’ experiences?  

   

Rob #392  

Waiting QB shipment  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com

 Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun my comments  

  

     

Sorry TDT you're correct...they do not have it on the web site as of last week, and other than a pix they did not have a data sheet, that I was aware of, so the fellow said that it would not intercept the final approach course...I was assuming he meant an ILS and not a GPS/WAAS approach...but I'm not really sure that is correct.  

    

   

    

Hopefully they will have it on the site soon.  

    

   

    

P  

    

   

    

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