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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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 Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in De |
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Wow! Just Wow!
Hope my GRT screens look anywhere near as nice. Really like the
approach plate view. That looks like it could sort a lot of stuff out
in a hurry!
Bill "absolutely drooling" Watson
RobHickman(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | EFIS screens with synthetic vision and geo-referenced approach plates
help tremendously in situational awareness.
I just posted pictures from last weekend:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=51435
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10
In a message dated 12/5/2009 11:08:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
deej(at)deej.net writes:
On 12/5/2009 9:21 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
> I've never flown into Lebanon airport but I have polished the
> surrounding mountains and explored some of the narrow valley
fields. We
I learned to fly out of the Lebanon, NH airport, and it can be
challenging. As a VFR pilot, there are many directions
approaching the
airport that you can't see the airport until you are very close to it.
The airport is nestled between some nice "hills" that run mostly
parallel to runway 18/36.
The IFR approaches bring you out over some "interesting"
terrain, and
with a bit of wind, it can get pretty bumpy with all the hills
disrupting the air. If you go missed, you definitely want to make
sure
you follow the published procedure.
On the positive side, absolutely some of the most beautiful
country to
see when you are flying. The view itself is enough of an incentive to
put up with the hassle of winter flying.
-Dj
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Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ -
http://deej.net/sportsman/
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:45 am Post subject: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in De |
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Looks great! Now if I could only get the units that I have had on order for more than a year I could actually see it in person. Sheesh.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RobHickman(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:00 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in Decem...
EFIS screens with synthetic vision and geo-referenced approach plates help tremendously in situational awareness.
I just posted pictures from last weekend:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=51435
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10
In a message dated 12/5/2009 11:08:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, deej(at)deej.net writes:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net>
On 12/5/2009 9:21 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
> I've never flown into Lebanon airport but I have polished the
> surrounding mountains and explored some of the narrow valley fields. We
I learned to fly out of the Lebanon, NH airport, and it can be
challenging. As a VFR pilot, there are many directions approaching the
airport that you can't see the airport until you are very close to it.
The airport is nestled between some nice "hills" that run mostly
parallel to runway 18/36.
The IFR approaches bring you out over some "interesting" terrain, and
with a bit of wind, it can get pretty bumpy with all the hills
disrupting the air. If you go missed, you definitely want to make sure
you follow the published procedure.
On the positive side, absolutely some of the most beautiful country to
see when you are flying. The view itself is enough of an incentive to
put up with the hassle of winter flying.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - ======================
_nbsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE to find Gifts tric re b k you for p; -Matt Dralle, List ======================== the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS
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RobHickman(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in De |
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We have only been shipping the new units for 6 weeks, your two units are in production and should ship before the end of the month.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems Inc.
In a message dated 12/9/2009 11:47:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rvbuilder(at)sausen.net writes:
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Looks great! Now if I could only get the units that I have had on order for more than a year I could actually see it in person. Sheesh.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RobHickman(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:00 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in Decem...
EFIS screens with synthetic vision and geo-referenced approach plates help tremendously in situational awareness.
I just posted pictures from last weekend:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=51435
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10
In a message dated 12/5/2009 11:08:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, deej(at)deej.net writes:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net>
On 12/5/2009 9:21 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
| Quote: | I've never flown into Lebanon airport but I have polished the
surrounding mountains and explored some of the narrow valley fields. We
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I learned to fly out of the Lebanon, NH airport, and it can be
challenging. As a VFR pilot, there are many directions approaching the
airport that you can't see the airport until you are very close to it.
The airport is nestled between some nice "hills" that run mostly
parallel to runway 18/36.
The IFR approaches bring you out over some "interesting" terrain, and
with a bit of wind, it can get pretty bumpy with all the hills
disrupting the air. If you go missed, you definitely want to make sure
you follow the published procedure.
On the positive side, absolutely some of the most beautiful country to
see when you are flying. The view itself is enough of an incentive to
put up with the hassle of winter flying.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - ======================
_nbsp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE to find Gifts tric re b k you for p; -Matt Dralle, List ======================== the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS
[b]www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.com |
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rebrunk42(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:37 am Post subject: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in De |
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I believe the ars upgrDe should be filled on a firs come first served basis. It just seems unfair to wait until new units are all shipped even though you were ready to buy the upgrade long before the prospective new unit buyer placed an order. I'm just sayin.
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Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
robert(at)brunklaw.com (robert(at)brunklaw.com)
On Dec 10, 2009, at 7:31 AM, "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:
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I’m not sure I agree that Dynon’s style of marketing is better. I equate Dynon’s Skyview rollout to GM selling a new Corvette with a new engine, but then telling you that they aren’t sure when they’ll be able to sell you tires. I think they released the product early with some functionality missing that should have been there on initial release. I think it will be a good product when all the functionality is available, but at initial release it isn’t much more than a simple six-pack replacement.
AFS held shipping until everything worked. I’m not sure which approach is better, but I’m not a fan of either approach.
Pre-announcing products/features are a lose/lose situation. Consumers are upset because of the delays. Revenues are reduced because everyone is waiting for the new product and not purchasing current products. Additionally, additional loss of revenue from folks tired of waiting and go with a competitive product. We’ve seen similar situations in the consumer electronics and computer industries
Also, look how the pendulum swings the other way. GRT seems to be very conservative these days with product announcements after they went through a similar scenario a couple years ago. Fortunately, I think the EFIS market is maturing. Long term success will be the vendor that consistently delivers new products/features on a regular basis as close to the initial delivery date as possible. Let’s hope all the EFIS vendors learn from these debacles and are strong competitors for many years to come. Then it will be a win/win for all.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:34 PM
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: RE: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in Decem...
For me yes, my order for the AdvancedDecks was in back in November last year. Seems it depends on more than just the order they were ordered in vs when you receive them. Don’t get me wrong, I still think that Rob’s EFIS is in the top two out there but I’m on my third delivery date now (not counting the numerous general dates we have all heard) and others have received theirs with considerably less wait time. Now I do understand the philosophy behind getting people that are ready to fly their equipment but at some point that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and you need to address the people that have been waiting excessively.
Honestly they could have stayed out of this situation by avoiding overly optimistic delivery targets. Dynon’s approach to this style of marketing was much better IMHO.
Michael
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robhickman(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:05 pm Post subject: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in De |
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We are not waiting until we have shipped all the new units before we start the upgrades. We will be ready to start upgrades in January and they will be done in order of order. Now that we are actually producing units in volume we are trying to ship them by order date.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems Inc.
In a message dated 12/10/2009 11:39:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rebrunk42(at)gmail.com writes:
| Quote: | I believe the ars upgrDe should be filled on a firs come first served basis. It just seems unfair to wait until new units are all shipped even though you were ready to buy the upgrade long before the prospective new unit buyer placed an order. I'm just sayin.
Sent from my iPhone
Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
robert(at)brunklaw.com (robert(at)brunklaw.com)
On Dec 10, 2009, at 7:31 AM, "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:
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I’m not sure I agree that Dynon’s style of marketing is better. I equate Dynon’s Skyview rollout to GM selling a new Corvette with a new engine, but then telling you that they aren’t sure when they’ll be able to sell you tires. I think they released the product early with some functionality missing that should have been there on initial release. I think it will be a good product when all the functionality is available, but at initial release it isn’t much more than a simple six-pack replacement.
AFS held shipping until everything worked. I’m not sure which approach is better, but I’m not a fan of either approach.
Pre-announcing products/features are a lose/lose situation. Consumers are upset because of the delays. Revenues are reduced because everyone is waiting for the new product and not purchasing current products. Additionally, additional loss of revenue from folks tired of waiting and go with a competitive product. We’ve seen similar situations in the consumer electronics and computer industries
Also, look how the pendulum swings the other way. GRT seems to be very conservative these days with product announcements after they went through a similar scenario a couple years ago. Fortunately, I think the EFIS market is maturing. Long term success will be the vendor that consistently delivers new products/features on a regular basis as close to the initial delivery date as possible. Let’s hope all the EFIS vendors learn from these debacles and are strong competitors for many years to come. Then it will be a win/win for all.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:34 PM
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: RE: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in Decem...
For me yes, my order for the AdvancedDecks was in back in November last year. Seems it depends on more than just the order they were ordered in vs when you receive them. Don’t get me wrong, I still think that Rob’s EFIS is in the top two out there but I’m on my third delivery date now (not counting the numerous general dates we have all heard) and others have received theirs with considerably less wait time. Now I do understand the philosophy behind getting people that are ready to fly their equipment but at some point that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and you need to address the people that have been waiting excessively.
Honestly they could have stayed out of this situation by avoiding overly optimistic delivery targets. Dynon’s approach to this style of marketing was much better IMHO.
Michael
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