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frank.goodnight(at)att.ne
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:13 am Post subject: what to build ?

Hello all,

I'm new to this list. I want to build a 701 or a750 , leaning towards  

the 701. Its cheaper

and seems to do, on paper  most everything the 750 does  except a  

little range, load,and

speed. The load and speed are not too important to me but I do need  

long range. I fly a Kolb

Firestar 2 with a HKS engine and 200 miles is really pushing it. 55mph  

cruise. I'm not sure

how much better, if any a 701 preforms --speed, comfort , noise, short  

takeoff ,CLIMB,range etc.

If someone on this list is familiar with both A/C I would really  

appreciate your thoughts.

I'm thinking about a jabiru 2200 engine and would like to hear from  

anyone that knows anything

about this engine and or 2200 701 combo.

  I'm retired and this will likely be the last plane I build so I  

would sure like to get it right.

Any thoughts , ideas, comments ,or suggestions will help me to make  

the right decision . Thanks.

Frank Goodnight

Brownsville , TX.

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dougsnash

Joined: 14 Apr 2008
Posts: 281

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: what to build ?

Frank, I am 90/90% on a scratch 701 project.  I am also helping a friend kit build his 750 Tail kit.  I have done demo flights in both factory planes.  If I were starting over today, knowing what I know.  I would likely build the 750.  The 701 is a great plane but the 750 is just a little better.  The only thing the 701/912S combo has is a little better short takeoff performance.  I don't know how the 2200 compares to the 912S.



Since you say cost is an issue.  You can usually get good mid time O-200s for between $6000.00 to $10000.00.  That will save you significantly on a 750 and tends to level the field with the 701/2200 choice.



Hope this helps



Doug MacDonald

CH-701 Scratch Builder

NW Ontario, Canada



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 posted by: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>

 

 

 Hello all,

 I'm new to this list. I want to build a 701 or a750 ,

 leaning towards the 701. Its cheaper

 and seems to do, on paper  most everything the 750

 does  except a little range, load,and

 speed. The load and speed are not too important to me but I

 do need long range. I fly a Kolb

 Firestar 2 with a HKS engine and 200 miles is really

 pushing it. 55mph cruise. I'm not sure

 how much better, if any a 701 preforms --speed, comfort ,

 noise, short takeoff ,CLIMB,range etc.

 If someone on this list is familiar with both A/C I would

 really appreciate your thoughts.

 I'm thinking about a jabiru 2200 engine and would like to

 hear from anyone that knows anything

 about this engine and or 2200 701 combo.

  I'm retired and this will likely be the last plane I build

 so I would sure like to get it right.

 Any thoughts , ideas, comments ,or suggestions will help me

 to make the right decision . Thanks.

 Frank Goodnight

 Brownsville , TX.

 


	


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frank.goodnight(at)att.ne
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:04 am Post subject: what to build ?

Thanks for your thoughts Doug.

Frank Goodnight

On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:43 AM, MacDonald Doug wrote:



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 >



 Frank, I am 90/90% on a scratch 701 project.  I am also helping a  

 friend kit build his 750 Tail kit.  I have done demo flights in both  

 factory planes.  If I were starting over today, knowing what I  

 know.  I would likely build the 750.  The 701 is a great plane but  

 the 750 is just a little better.  The only thing the 701/912S combo  

 has is a little better short takeoff performance.  I don't know how  

 the 2200 compares to the 912S.



 Since you say cost is an issue.  You can usually get good mid time  

 O-200s for between $6000.00 to $10000.00.  That will save you  

 significantly on a 750 and tends to level the field with the  

 701/2200 choice.



 Hope this helps



 Doug MacDonald

 CH-701 Scratch Builder

 NW Ontario, Canada



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 --- On Wed, 12/23/09, frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net> wrote:



> From: frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>

> Subject: what to build ?

> To: zenith701801-list(at)matronics.com

> Received: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 10:12 AM

> --> Zenith701801-List message

> posted by: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight(at)att.net>

> Hello all,

> I'm new to this list. I want to build a 701 or a750 ,

> leaning towards the 701. Its cheaper

> and seems to do, on paper  most everything the 750

> does  except a little range, load,and

> speed. The load and speed are not too important to me but I

> do need long range. I fly a Kolb

> Firestar 2 with a HKS engine and 200 miles is really

> pushing it. 55mph cruise. I'm not sure

> how much better, if any a 701 preforms --speed, comfort ,

> noise, short takeoff ,CLIMB,range etc.

> If someone on this list is familiar with both A/C I would

> really appreciate your thoughts.

> I'm thinking about a jabiru 2200 engine and would like to

> hear from anyone that knows anything

> about this engine and or 2200 701 combo.

> I'm retired and this will likely be the last plane I build

> so I would sure like to get it right.

> Any thoughts , ideas, comments ,or suggestions will help me

> to make the right decision . Thanks.

> Frank Goodnight

> Brownsville , TX.

>



       

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bobkat

Joined: 07 Sep 2008
Posts: 143
Location: Bismarck, ND

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:48 am Post subject: what to build ?

I agree with Doug.  That extra gross and usefulo weight, while keeping it in 

the Sport Pilot range, would be nice.  I love my 701 and am discovering new 

things that it'll do every day.   If I were going to start right now, 

though, I'd probably go with the 750.



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lgold(at)quantum-associat
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:49 am Post subject: what to build ?

Frank,

My 701/Rotax 912ULS was completed in early 2008. I like the extra cabin

space and visibility in the 750, but my thinking is that this is all you get

for the extra bucks. You say range is an issue in the 701. I flew from San

Francisco to Oshkosh this year and range was not at issue. I can stay in the

air for 7-hours at a clip with my optional wing tanks (40-gallons total) and

a jar to piss into. In addition, the 701 is a fully tested design and I

really enjoy getting into very small strips with it.

Les



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frank.goodnight(at)att.ne
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: what to build ?

I would like to thank everyone that responded to my request for info,  

both this list and the kolb list are invaluable resources

for anyone trying to learn. Thanks again.

Frank Goodnight

On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:12 AM, frank.goodnight wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 >

 Hello all,

 I'm new to this list. I want to build a 701 or a750 , leaning  

 towards the 701. Its cheaper

 and seems to do, on paper  most everything the 750 does  except a  

 little range, load,and

 speed. The load and speed are not too important to me but I do need  

 long range. I fly a Kolb

 Firestar 2 with a HKS engine and 200 miles is really pushing it.  

 55mph cruise. I'm not sure

 how much better, if any a 701 preforms --speed, comfort , noise,  

 short takeoff ,CLIMB,range etc.

 If someone on this list is familiar with both A/C I would really  

 appreciate your thoughts.

 I'm thinking about a jabiru 2200 engine and would like to hear from  

 anyone that knows anything

 about this engine and or 2200 701 combo.

 I'm retired and this will likely be the last plane I build so I  

 would sure like to get it right.

 Any thoughts , ideas, comments ,or suggestions will help me to make  

 the right decision . Thanks.

 Frank Goodnight

 Brownsville , TX.

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kmccune

Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 577
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: what to build ?

I started a 701 plans built in 2008. OK, I got some under the table rib stuff for the rudder in 2007... to find out if I really wanted to build from plans. 

Well its a little later and I now have the rudder, stab and elevator done. I also have the wing ribs, the aileron ribs and the aileron spar, cabin sides and a couple of other odds and ends. No it is not like building from a kit, but I like it and considering the personal and family issues that have happened along the way, I have to say this is an easy plans build.... ( it is my first so I really don't know, but it really is pretty easy with all the support out there).

As for the 750, yup a FEW extra lbs usable, wider, taller, more available engines a little faster as I remember? So if I were building from a kit, starting right now, I'd order a 750. But the kit was never in the budget with 2 kids about to enter college.... And the only down side for me in building the 701 is the oil canning... so add some stiffeners! 



Now having said that I am 170 lbs and 5'8", the wife is 5'2" and 1XX lbs... sorry I like my life. We are not big people , If I were a heavy weight, the 750 would be the ticket, plans or kit.



Hope this helps



Kevin

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Tommy Walker

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 442
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: what to build ?

Kevin,

Good post!



Tommy Walker in Alabama

N8701T  (my second 7010.



 	  kmccune wrote: 	
		  I started a 701 plans built in 2008. OK, I got some under the table rib stuff for the rudder in 2007... to find out if I really wanted to build from plans. 

Well its a little later and I now have the rudder, stab and elevator done. I also have the wing ribs, the aileron ribs and the aileron spar, cabin sides and a couple of other odds and ends. No it is not like building from a kit, but I like it and considering the personal and family issues that have happened along the way, I have to say this is an easy plans build.... ( it is my first so I really don't know, but it really is pretty easy with all the support out there).

As for the 750, yup a FEW extra lbs usable, wider, taller, more available engines a little faster as I remember? So if I were building from a kit, starting right now, I'd order a 750. But the kit was never in the budget with 2 kids about to enter college.... And the only down side for me in building the 701 is the oil canning... so add some stiffeners! 



Now having said that I am 170 lbs and 5'8", the wife is 5'2" and 1XX lbs... sorry I like my life. We are not big people , If I were a heavy weight, the 750 would be the ticket, plans or kit.



Hope this helps



Kevin

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