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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

Bill,



I'm writing this from back home from the trip down to Florida.  Used

Foreflight Mobile (3.0 version) for just tons of the trip.  The reason

I could easily read the STAR, and yesterday had my approach plate up

while in flight is that 3.0 will allow you to download all the

approaches state-by-state, and also IFR enroute charts, and VFR

sectionals, state by state.  The charts and sectionals also work

with the iphone GPS (and a bluetooth GPS if you hack it).  So, I didn't

need data service to use all those chart functions.  The AOPA app

you mention is good, but Foreflight already also includes all of

that too (they made the AOPA app), so if you have Foreflight, you

don't need the separate AOPA app.



I did find that there were plenty of times I didn't have data coverage,

but found many that I did along this trip too. It was very sporadic.

It seems that when I was near 3G coverage areas, it happened more

often.  When I flew to KSLC earlier this year, it was funny but I

had almost continuous coverage at 10,000' I think, from Wyoming to

Utah.  So it really depends on where you are.  In Florida I would

often get emails popping in during the flight...and just randomly

along the trip. When I had service near Nashville, I used it to

text back and forth with another RV-10 owner to have them call ahead

to make sure I could get a car at KMYJ.  I also a couple times

tried to pull up fuel prices on Airnav just for kicks...and sometimes

had luck.  Come to think of it, South Dakota seemed to have reasonable

coverage when I was over there too.



I did shut the phone off into airplane mode when flying IMC in

the clouds though...the phone is a very electrically noisy device

and although I haven't seen any effects on the plane instruments,

I didn't want to find them out at that time. I get tons of

speaker interference on telephones and PC monitor speakers with

the iphone.



Voyager also actually came in pretty handy on this trip again.

Between the BNA area and near MSP when I was going home, I

tried to do a lot of that VFR for a while, navigating low

around a snowstorm area....just changing our course as needed to

try to make the best forward progress.  This meant we had no

defined fuel spot...just wanted to navigate around the weather.

I was able to slide the map ahead and find a good fuel stop for

something just over $3.60/gal, instead of paying the $4-5 that

so many places try to impose, and ended up at Mexico MO (home of

Zenith aircraft) getting a good fuel price.  Probably saved me

like $40-60 just for that one fuel stop.  I tried to do as much

as I could on this trip with the iPhone though, which really

for me proved it was a fantastic device to have with you on

a trip.  I had a moving-map GPS in the car, found my hotels

by the iphone, found my stores and restaurants that way, and

even my inlaws house and the nearby theatre for a movie.

Without that device I'd have had to do a lot more planning

or spend a lot more time getting around.



For those thinking about the Foreflight for iphone, you may

want to check their website quick. I think most of the special

upgrade pricing and special intro pricing expires at the end

of the year.  Might save a few bucks.  I don't know if I'll

have a good write-up put together in time.



For kicks, I've attached 3 screenshots from the trip.  The first

was the crappy weather I had to deal with a couple days ago

while we came home...flying from Florida to Wisconsin.

The turbulence got me..I landed at Nashville because having

built the plane, I KNOW that the only thing holding the front

of the horizontal stab on is those 2 L shaped angle brackets...

and we were getting hammered bad enough that I decided I better

just wait it out.  The last shot is a not-zoomed-in-too-far

photo of that arrival in Florida.  You can zoom them up

just like everything else and see them well.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD



Bill Schlatterer wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Tim, just wondering how that works?  I just flew several legs into Fort

 Worth and out and never could get the iPhone to pick up consistently.  Text

 messages went OK (not instantly) up to about 2000 but higher than that was

 intermittent.  My old crack berry was better than that.  Internet access for

 pulling up anything was not useable.  My iP is on AT&T.   Does Foreflight

 cache the plates or do you have to load them up before getting in the air?

 

 I have been using the new AOPA Mobile ap and it is also very good!  It's

 also free with your AOPA subscription.

 

 Bill S

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Bill Schlatterer

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 195

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

Tim thanks, good answer.  So looks like you can actually download the

charts, stars, etc and pull them up even offline and that is part of the

basic 69/annual pricing.  Are you downloading all charts or just the general

area of your trip. Can you tell how much data storage is used in the iP for

this app plus charts etc.  Haven't found out how to do that yet but have the

32g version so I think it shouldn't be a problem.



If Foreflight actually wrote the stuff that AOPA uses, they do good work.

The one ap that is missing is the nice listing that Dan Checkoways does on

his Weithermiester site where it just shows a one line Metars for every site

within XX miles of your route.  It's color coded so it is very easy to use/



Pretty unbelievable how far we have come in the last year with the iP.



Do you have any other favorite aps for the iP for flight matters?



Thanks Bill S

7a finishing



--

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

I'll reply longer in another post maybe, but for now to answer one  

question, I think on their site it says all charts total is 5gb.  I  

downloaded most of the is except Alaska and Hawaii.  Mainly because we  

often decide on our vacation destinations the night before, so I have  

to be prepared for anything. 32gb will do you real well.

Tim

On Dec 30, 2009, at 6:34 PM, "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net 

 > wrote:

[quote] 

 >

 Tim thanks, good answer.  So looks like you can actually download the

 charts, stars, etc and pull them up even offline and that is part of  

 the

 basic 69/annual pricing.  Are you downloading all charts or just the  

 general

 area of your trip. Can you tell how much data storage is used in the  

 iP for

 this app plus charts etc.  Haven't found out how to do that yet but  

 have the

 32g version so I think it shouldn't be a problem.

 If Foreflight actually wrote the stuff that AOPA uses, they do good  

 work.

 The one ap that is missing is the nice listing that Dan Checkoways  

 does on

 his Weithermiester site where it just shows a one line Metars for  

 every site

 within XX miles of your route.  It's color coded so it is very easy  

 to use/

 Pretty unbelievable how far we have come in the last year with the iP.

 Do you have any other favorite aps for the iP for flight matters?

 Thanks Bill S

 7a finishing

 --

Bill Schlatterer

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 195

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

OK, I spent an hour last night on Foreflight and bought the annual package.

I love the route briefing and particularly the translated METARS.  I can

read the script but always have to think too hard about the Zulu times.  I

wonder if they will switch to the new PROG charts with the enhanced

graphics.  I really like them a lot better than the standard stuff.



It is a better package than AOPA because it is specifically designed for the

iPhone.  It's cool being able to download charts, airport directory, and

approachs/stars/sids etc and have them in your hand in the airplane. Not as

nice to use as a full size chart but cool for reference or in a pinch.



Thanks for the tip!  Please post any other good iPhone aviation aps that you

come across.



Bill S 



--

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

Here, I'll list some of the iphone apps for flying that I have

and a short comment about each...



Foreflight Mobile 3.0

This is the app that everyone should have. It's awesome in

too many ways to list.  Discount pricing for the rest of tonight.

Try filing a VFR flight plan for a route on it once, after

downloading the free demo.  You'll be amazed at the email you

get back.

WingX

A many-featured app.  Not utterly horrible, but so much less

user friendly than Foreflight that I would only recommend it

if you don't have a handheld or backup in-flight GPS moving

map. This app would serve fair, not perfect, from an in-flight

GPS perspective, and includes terrain.  I wish I could pay

just 50% of the price, but ONLY get the nice moving map.

That would be an app I'd like.  Or better yet, if Foreflight

would put in that type of moving map GPS function, I'm

sure they'd do a top notch job.



Flight Control

It's just a game...but a fun one. 

SkyCharts

Nice for a cheap, basically VFR only app, with the exception

that you can get approach plates but not nearly as handy

as the ones in Foreflight. And, you can get graphical weather

METAR colors on the map....which also isn't that huge of

a deal. But, as long as it's $10, you may as well download

it to play with.

TrackLog

Kind of cool. Similar to APRS and SPOT messenger, this can

track you as you fly.  I don't know how it works at high

altitude when you're not in cell coverage though.  But,

some people seem to have luck with it.  It's cheap enough

to try out.

PilotFAR

Nice to have the regs on hand and searchable....no more

buying that stinkin' book every year.

Horizon

An attitude indicator.  Play only, but it's cheap, and

something to show to your buds.

NavClock

If you want more out of a clock app, this one has some good

weather info.  I rarely use it.

AeroWeather

A pretty nice weather app that I've used in the past to

just get a quick visual wind and weather check for local

airports.  Foreflight can take it's place though...but

at least this one is cheap.

FltPlan

FlightPlan.com's app.  The app itself isn't near as slick

as some of the others, but, it does have some neat things

like Bahamas airport info.  I've only used it a couple times,

mainly because their website flight planner gets good

reviews. But, I haven't found anything groundbreaking

about it.... for me, Foreflight and Voyager are my tools

of choice.  They do have some EAPIS tools I've read about

a little that might be good if you do a lot of international

flying, but I'm not sure how much of that is on the iphone app.

FlightAware LiveTracking

A cool little app for tracking your RV-10 buddies as they

fly IFR.

LiveATC

Online ATC broadcasts from many airports.  Fun to listen

to when you're bored.

RoqyBT

A bluetooth stack you can put on an ipod touch (jailbroken)

that allows you to use a bluetooth GPS with GPS integrated

apps.



Other apps non-aviation that I find pretty handy:

Note: Starred apps require jailbreaking



*MyWi

*My3G

*Overboard



Around Me - This app is AWESOME for if you're traveling

and you want to find things that are...well, Around you.

Well worth checking out, and it's cheap.



RedLaser - Never buy something in a store and kick

yourself when you get home and find that the average

price is 20% less again.



AirMouse - Kind of cool for controlling your mouse on a PC

attached to a big screen TV.  Geek toy.



Skype - Way cool if you're in the Bahamas and can't use

your cell phone without spending a million bucks...just

use the hotel's wi-fi and you can call home for cheap

or free.



iGo My Way GPS or Tom Tom GPS - You probably want one of

these for when you travel.  That way you'll have a full

roadable GPS for your rental car.  They're invaluable!



TextNow - An unlimited texting app.  If your kid texts

a lot, save your cellphone bill and just make them use

this app.



SplashID - Here's a favorite of mine....carry all your

passwords and website passwords with you every where you

go...credit card numbers, bank account numbers, pilot

certificate numbers, DUATS code and passwords, everything.

It's all stored encrypted and you can get a desktop

app to sync it to or enter data easier.  I use it all

the time and is one of my favorite apps.

So there you go....that and a couple of web sites should

give you much of what you'd ever want.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

Bill Schlatterer wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 OK, I spent an hour last night on Foreflight and bought the annual package.

 I love the route briefing and particularly the translated METARS.  I can

 read the script but always have to think too hard about the Zulu times.  I

 wonder if they will switch to the new PROG charts with the enhanced

 graphics.  I really like them a lot better than the standard stuff.

 

 It is a better package than AOPA because it is specifically designed for the

 iPhone.  It's cool being able to download charts, airport directory, and

 approachs/stars/sids etc and have them in your hand in the airplane. Not as

 nice to use as a full size chart but cool for reference or in a pinch.

 

 Thanks for the tip!  Please post any other good iPhone aviation aps that you

 come across.

 

 Bill S

Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

You guys are driving me crazy, and green w/ envy!  I live in an area 

that's not got any at&t coverage, I want an iphone (Foreflight really) 

so bad it hurts! hopegully Google and Android will come to the rescue soon.

Deems

Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Here, I'll list some of the iphone apps for flying that I have

 and a short comment about each...

 Foreflight Mobile 3.0

 This is the app that everyone should have. It's awesome in

 too many ways to list.  Discount pricing for the rest of tonight.

 Try filing a VFR flight plan for a route on it once, after

 downloading the free demo.  You'll be amazed at the email you

 get back.

 WingX

 A many-featured app.  Not utterly horrible, but so much less

 user friendly than Foreflight that I would only recommend it

 if you don't have a handheld or backup in-flight GPS moving

 map. This app would serve fair, not perfect, from an in-flight

 GPS perspective, and includes terrain.  I wish I could pay

 just 50% of the price, but ONLY get the nice moving map.

 That would be an app I'd like.  Or better yet, if Foreflight

 would put in that type of moving map GPS function, I'm

 sure they'd do a top notch job.

 Flight Control

 It's just a game...but a fun one. 

 SkyCharts

 Nice for a cheap, basically VFR only app, with the exception

 that you can get approach plates but not nearly as handy

 as the ones in Foreflight. And, you can get graphical weather

 METAR colors on the map....which also isn't that huge of

 a deal. But, as long as it's $10, you may as well download

 it to play with.

 TrackLog

 Kind of cool. Similar to APRS and SPOT messenger, this can

 track you as you fly.  I don't know how it works at high

 altitude when you're not in cell coverage though.  But,

 some people seem to have luck with it.  It's cheap enough

 to try out.

 PilotFAR

 Nice to have the regs on hand and searchable....no more

 buying that stinkin' book every year.

 Horizon

 An attitude indicator.  Play only, but it's cheap, and

 something to show to your buds.

 NavClock

 If you want more out of a clock app, this one has some good

 weather info.  I rarely use it.

 AeroWeather

 A pretty nice weather app that I've used in the past to

 just get a quick visual wind and weather check for local

 airports.  Foreflight can take it's place though...but

 at least this one is cheap.

 FltPlan

 FlightPlan.com's app.  The app itself isn't near as slick

 as some of the others, but, it does have some neat things

 like Bahamas airport info.  I've only used it a couple times,

 mainly because their website flight planner gets good

 reviews. But, I haven't found anything groundbreaking

 about it.... for me, Foreflight and Voyager are my tools

 of choice.  They do have some EAPIS tools I've read about

 a little that might be good if you do a lot of international

 flying, but I'm not sure how much of that is on the iphone app.

 FlightAware LiveTracking

 A cool little app for tracking your RV-10 buddies as they

 fly IFR.

 LiveATC

 Online ATC broadcasts from many airports.  Fun to listen

 to when you're bored.

 RoqyBT

 A bluetooth stack you can put on an ipod touch (jailbroken)

 that allows you to use a bluetooth GPS with GPS integrated

 apps.

 Other apps non-aviation that I find pretty handy:

 Note: Starred apps require jailbreaking

 *MyWi

 *My3G

 *Overboard

 Around Me - This app is AWESOME for if you're traveling

 and you want to find things that are...well, Around you.

 Well worth checking out, and it's cheap.

 RedLaser - Never buy something in a store and kick

 yourself when you get home and find that the average

 price is 20% less again.

 AirMouse - Kind of cool for controlling your mouse on a PC

 attached to a big screen TV.  Geek toy.

 Skype - Way cool if you're in the Bahamas and can't use

 your cell phone without spending a million bucks...just

 use the hotel's wi-fi and you can call home for cheap

 or free.

 iGo My Way GPS or Tom Tom GPS - You probably want one of

 these for when you travel.  That way you'll have a full

 roadable GPS for your rental car.  They're invaluable!

 TextNow - An unlimited texting app.  If your kid texts

 a lot, save your cellphone bill and just make them use

 this app.

 SplashID - Here's a favorite of mine....carry all your

 passwords and website passwords with you every where you

 go...credit card numbers, bank account numbers, pilot

 certificate numbers, DUATS code and passwords, everything.

 It's all stored encrypted and you can get a desktop

 app to sync it to or enter data easier.  I use it all

 the time and is one of my favorite apps.

 So there you go....that and a couple of web sites should

 give you much of what you'd ever want.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive

 Bill Schlatterer wrote:

> 

> <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>

>

> OK, I spent an hour last night on Foreflight and bought the annual 

> package.

> I love the route briefing and particularly the translated METARS.  I can

> read the script but always have to think too hard about the Zulu 

> times.  I

> wonder if they will switch to the new PROG charts with the enhanced

> graphics.  I really like them a lot better than the standard stuff.

>

> It is a better package than AOPA because it is specifically designed 

> for the

> iPhone.  It's cool being able to download charts, airport directory, and

> approachs/stars/sids etc and have them in your hand in the airplane. 

> Not as

> nice to use as a full size chart but cool for reference or in a pinch.

>

> Thanks for the tip!  Please post any other good iPhone aviation aps 

> that you

> come across.

>

> Bill S

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

You might be a good candidate for an ipod touch then.

The very big upside is you can buy them once and not

pay all sorts of monthly cell fees.  If you really

wanted to make it sweet, just get it jailbroken and

you could use it with a bluetooth GPS.  Even without

it, you still have the approach charts and all that good

stuff.  I got them for the kids and wife this year

and everyone uses them all the time now, email, and

games and movies and more...perfect sized traveling

companion.  And, you just use it with Wi-Fi.



Now, if you REALLY want to get creative, here's what I

did for a year almost before I got an iphone....



For $30/mo I got tethered data service for my Alltel

(now Verizon) phone.  Just a normal cellphone, that has

EVDO on it, which is plenty fast in many locations...up

to 2Mb/s service...and we have great coverage around

here.  I just got a USB cable for it, and tethered

it to this:

http://www.cradlepoint.com/products/phs300-personal-wifi-hotspot



The Cradlepoint PHS300 then used my cellphone to dial up

Verizon EVDO service, and create a wi-fi hotspot that

would work for me wherever I was.  In the car I just

plugged it in to the lighter socket and we still

could get full wi-fi access for all of our laptops

and our ipods.  I used it at OSH this year too, to

provide WiFi for our group when the campground WiFi wasn't

working.  So there are lots of options....but, none

quite as nice as just having an iphone with 3G coverage.

I don't live where there is 3G, but on this trip I just

got back from, I had 3G all over, and used my iphone

tethered to my laptop as my internet access.  By

using MyWi, I could share it and turn my iphone

into a hotspot for the ipod touch folks.



So, there are many ways to skin the data cat. Andrea

is just using an iPod touch right now, but with that

bluetooth GPS, she's not missing out on much.  Besides,

many FBO's offer Wi-Fi, so you can get much of what

you need without the expense of a cell plan.



Tim



Deems Davis wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 You guys are driving me crazy, and green w/ envy!  I live in an area 

 that's not got any at&t coverage, I want an iphone (Foreflight really) 

 so bad it hurts! hopegully Google and Android will come to the rescue soon.

 

 Deems

 

 Tim Olson wrote:

> 

>

> Here, I'll list some of the iphone apps for flying that I have

> and a short comment about each...

>

> Foreflight Mobile 3.0

> This is the app that everyone should have. It's awesome in

> too many ways to list.  Discount pricing for the rest of tonight.

> Try filing a VFR flight plan for a route on it once, after

> downloading the free demo.  You'll be amazed at the email you

> get back.

> WingX

> A many-featured app.  Not utterly horrible, but so much less

> user friendly than Foreflight that I would only recommend it

> if you don't have a handheld or backup in-flight GPS moving

> map. This app would serve fair, not perfect, from an in-flight

> GPS perspective, and includes terrain.  I wish I could pay

> just 50% of the price, but ONLY get the nice moving map.

> That would be an app I'd like.  Or better yet, if Foreflight

> would put in that type of moving map GPS function, I'm

> sure they'd do a top notch job.

>

> Flight Control

> It's just a game...but a fun one. 

> SkyCharts

> Nice for a cheap, basically VFR only app, with the exception

> that you can get approach plates but not nearly as handy

> as the ones in Foreflight. And, you can get graphical weather

> METAR colors on the map....which also isn't that huge of

> a deal. But, as long as it's $10, you may as well download

> it to play with.

> TrackLog

> Kind of cool. Similar to APRS and SPOT messenger, this can

> track you as you fly.  I don't know how it works at high

> altitude when you're not in cell coverage though.  But,

> some people seem to have luck with it.  It's cheap enough

> to try out.

> PilotFAR

> Nice to have the regs on hand and searchable....no more

> buying that stinkin' book every year.

> Horizon

> An attitude indicator.  Play only, but it's cheap, and

> something to show to your buds.

> NavClock

> If you want more out of a clock app, this one has some good

> weather info.  I rarely use it.

> AeroWeather

> A pretty nice weather app that I've used in the past to

> just get a quick visual wind and weather check for local

> airports.  Foreflight can take it's place though...but

> at least this one is cheap.

> FltPlan

> FlightPlan.com's app.  The app itself isn't near as slick

> as some of the others, but, it does have some neat things

> like Bahamas airport info.  I've only used it a couple times,

> mainly because their website flight planner gets good

> reviews. But, I haven't found anything groundbreaking

> about it.... for me, Foreflight and Voyager are my tools

> of choice.  They do have some EAPIS tools I've read about

> a little that might be good if you do a lot of international

> flying, but I'm not sure how much of that is on the iphone app.

> FlightAware LiveTracking

> A cool little app for tracking your RV-10 buddies as they

> fly IFR.

> LiveATC

> Online ATC broadcasts from many airports.  Fun to listen

> to when you're bored.

> RoqyBT

> A bluetooth stack you can put on an ipod touch (jailbroken)

> that allows you to use a bluetooth GPS with GPS integrated

> apps.

>

> Other apps non-aviation that I find pretty handy:

> Note: Starred apps require jailbreaking

>

> *MyWi

> *My3G

> *Overboard

>

> Around Me - This app is AWESOME for if you're traveling

> and you want to find things that are...well, Around you.

> Well worth checking out, and it's cheap.

>

> RedLaser - Never buy something in a store and kick

> yourself when you get home and find that the average

> price is 20% less again.

>

> AirMouse - Kind of cool for controlling your mouse on a PC

> attached to a big screen TV.  Geek toy.

>

> Skype - Way cool if you're in the Bahamas and can't use

> your cell phone without spending a million bucks...just

> use the hotel's wi-fi and you can call home for cheap

> or free.

>

> iGo My Way GPS or Tom Tom GPS - You probably want one of

> these for when you travel.  That way you'll have a full

> roadable GPS for your rental car.  They're invaluable!

>

> TextNow - An unlimited texting app.  If your kid texts

> a lot, save your cellphone bill and just make them use

> this app.

>

> SplashID - Here's a favorite of mine....carry all your

> passwords and website passwords with you every where you

> go...credit card numbers, bank account numbers, pilot

> certificate numbers, DUATS code and passwords, everything.

> It's all stored encrypted and you can get a desktop

> app to sync it to or enter data easier.  I use it all

> the time and is one of my favorite apps.

> So there you go....that and a couple of web sites should

> give you much of what you'd ever want.

> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

> do not archive

> Bill Schlatterer wrote:

>> 

>> <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>

>>

>> OK, I spent an hour last night on Foreflight and bought the annual 

>> package.

>> I love the route briefing and particularly the translated METARS.  I can

>> read the script but always have to think too hard about the Zulu 

>> times.  I

>> wonder if they will switch to the new PROG charts with the enhanced

>> graphics.  I really like them a lot better than the standard stuff.

>>

>> It is a better package than AOPA because it is specifically designed 

>> for the

>> iPhone.  It's cool being able to download charts, airport directory, and

>> approachs/stars/sids etc and have them in your hand in the airplane. 

>> Not as

>> nice to use as a full size chart but cool for reference or in a pinch.

>>

>> Thanks for the tip!  Please post any other good iPhone aviation aps 

>> that you

>> come across.

>>

>> Bill S

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

PS:  I did see that the foreflight guys wrote the weather

app for the droid, and I'd assume that over time if they

see a market growing, they'll probably add much of the

foreflight mobile feature set.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

Deems Davis wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 You guys are driving me crazy, and green w/ envy!  I live in an area 

 that's not got any at&t coverage, I want an iphone (Foreflight really) 

 so bad it hurts! hopegully Google and Android will come to the rescue soon.

 

 Deems

 

 Tim Olson wrote:

> 

>

> Here, I'll list some of the iphone apps for flying that I have

> and a short comment about each...

>

> Foreflight Mobile 3.0

> This is the app that everyone should have. It's awesome in

> too many ways to list.  Discount pricing for the rest of tonight.

> Try filing a VFR flight plan for a route on it once, after

> downloading the free demo.  You'll be amazed at the email you

> get back.

> WingX

> A many-featured app.  Not utterly horrible, but so much less

> user friendly than Foreflight that I would only recommend it

> if you don't have a handheld or backup in-flight GPS moving

> map. This app would serve fair, not perfect, from an in-flight

> GPS perspective, and includes terrain.  I wish I could pay

> just 50% of the price, but ONLY get the nice moving map.

> That would be an app I'd like.  Or better yet, if Foreflight

> would put in that type of moving map GPS function, I'm

> sure they'd do a top notch job.

>

> Flight Control

> It's just a game...but a fun one. 

> SkyCharts

> Nice for a cheap, basically VFR only app, with the exception

> that you can get approach plates but not nearly as handy

> as the ones in Foreflight. And, you can get graphical weather

> METAR colors on the map....which also isn't that huge of

> a deal. But, as long as it's $10, you may as well download

> it to play with.

> TrackLog

> Kind of cool. Similar to APRS and SPOT messenger, this can

> track you as you fly.  I don't know how it works at high

> altitude when you're not in cell coverage though.  But,

> some people seem to have luck with it.  It's cheap enough

> to try out.

> PilotFAR

> Nice to have the regs on hand and searchable....no more

> buying that stinkin' book every year.

> Horizon

> An attitude indicator.  Play only, but it's cheap, and

> something to show to your buds.

> NavClock

> If you want more out of a clock app, this one has some good

> weather info.  I rarely use it.

> AeroWeather

> A pretty nice weather app that I've used in the past to

> just get a quick visual wind and weather check for local

> airports.  Foreflight can take it's place though...but

> at least this one is cheap.

> FltPlan

> FlightPlan.com's app.  The app itself isn't near as slick

> as some of the others, but, it does have some neat things

> like Bahamas airport info.  I've only used it a couple times,

> mainly because their website flight planner gets good

> reviews. But, I haven't found anything groundbreaking

> about it.... for me, Foreflight and Voyager are my tools

> of choice.  They do have some EAPIS tools I've read about

> a little that might be good if you do a lot of international

> flying, but I'm not sure how much of that is on the iphone app.

> FlightAware LiveTracking

> A cool little app for tracking your RV-10 buddies as they

> fly IFR.

> LiveATC

> Online ATC broadcasts from many airports.  Fun to listen

> to when you're bored.

> RoqyBT

> A bluetooth stack you can put on an ipod touch (jailbroken)

> that allows you to use a bluetooth GPS with GPS integrated

> apps.

>

> Other apps non-aviation that I find pretty handy:

> Note: Starred apps require jailbreaking

>

> *MyWi

> *My3G

> *Overboard

>

> Around Me - This app is AWESOME for if you're traveling

> and you want to find things that are...well, Around you.

> Well worth checking out, and it's cheap.

>

> RedLaser - Never buy something in a store and kick

> yourself when you get home and find that the average

> price is 20% less again.

>

> AirMouse - Kind of cool for controlling your mouse on a PC

> attached to a big screen TV.  Geek toy.

>

> Skype - Way cool if you're in the Bahamas and can't use

> your cell phone without spending a million bucks...just

> use the hotel's wi-fi and you can call home for cheap

> or free.

>

> iGo My Way GPS or Tom Tom GPS - You probably want one of

> these for when you travel.  That way you'll have a full

> roadable GPS for your rental car.  They're invaluable!

>

> TextNow - An unlimited texting app.  If your kid texts

> a lot, save your cellphone bill and just make them use

> this app.

>

> SplashID - Here's a favorite of mine....carry all your

> passwords and website passwords with you every where you

> go...credit card numbers, bank account numbers, pilot

> certificate numbers, DUATS code and passwords, everything.

> It's all stored encrypted and you can get a desktop

> app to sync it to or enter data easier.  I use it all

> the time and is one of my favorite apps.

> So there you go....that and a couple of web sites should

> give you much of what you'd ever want.

> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

> do not archive

> Bill Schlatterer wrote:

>> 

>> <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>

>>

>> OK, I spent an hour last night on Foreflight and bought the annual 

>> package.

>> I love the route briefing and particularly the translated METARS.  I can

>> read the script but always have to think too hard about the Zulu 

>> times.  I

>> wonder if they will switch to the new PROG charts with the enhanced

>> graphics.  I really like them a lot better than the standard stuff.

>>

>> It is a better package than AOPA because it is specifically designed 

>> for the

>> iPhone.  It's cool being able to download charts, airport directory, and

>> approachs/stars/sids etc and have them in your hand in the airplane. 

>> Not as

>> nice to use as a full size chart but cool for reference or in a pinch.

>>

>> Thanks for the tip!  Please post any other good iPhone aviation aps 

>> that you

>> come across.

>>

>> Bill S

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:46 am Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

Or you could unlock one and put a SIM card from another carrier in it.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

352-427-0285



Sent from my iPhone



On Dec 31, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 You guys are driving me crazy, and green w/ envy!  I live in an area  

 that's not got any at&t coverage, I want an iphone (Foreflight  

 really) so bad it hurts! hopegully Google and Android will come to  

 the rescue soon.



 Deems



 Tim Olson wrote:

> 

>

> Here, I'll list some of the iphone apps for flying that I have

> and a short comment about each...

>

> Foreflight Mobile 3.0

> This is the app that everyone should have. It's awesome in

> too many ways to list.  Discount pricing for the rest of tonight.

> Try filing a VFR flight plan for a route on it once, after

> downloading the free demo.  You'll be amazed at the email you

> get back.

> WingX

> A many-featured app.  Not utterly horrible, but so much less

> user friendly than Foreflight that I would only recommend it

> if you don't have a handheld or backup in-flight GPS moving

> map. This app would serve fair, not perfect, from an in-flight

> GPS perspective, and includes terrain.  I wish I could pay

> just 50% of the price, but ONLY get the nice moving map.

> That would be an app I'd like.  Or better yet, if Foreflight

> would put in that type of moving map GPS function, I'm

> sure they'd do a top notch job.

>

> Flight Control

> It's just a game...but a fun one. 

> SkyCharts

> Nice for a cheap, basically VFR only app, with the exception

> that you can get approach plates but not nearly as handy

> as the ones in Foreflight. And, you can get graphical weather

> METAR colors on the map....which also isn't that huge of

> a deal. But, as long as it's $10, you may as well download

> it to play with.

> TrackLog

> Kind of cool. Similar to APRS and SPOT messenger, this can

> track you as you fly.  I don't know how it works at high

> altitude when you're not in cell coverage though.  But,

> some people seem to have luck with it.  It's cheap enough

> to try out.

> PilotFAR

> Nice to have the regs on hand and searchable....no more

> buying that stinkin' book every year.

> Horizon

> An attitude indicator.  Play only, but it's cheap, and

> something to show to your buds.

> NavClock

> If you want more out of a clock app, this one has some good

> weather info.  I rarely use it.

> AeroWeather

> A pretty nice weather app that I've used in the past to

> just get a quick visual wind and weather check for local

> airports.  Foreflight can take it's place though...but

> at least this one is cheap.

> FltPlan

> FlightPlan.com's app.  The app itself isn't near as slick

> as some of the others, but, it does have some neat things

> like Bahamas airport info.  I've only used it a couple times,

> mainly because their website flight planner gets good

> reviews. But, I haven't found anything groundbreaking

> about it.... for me, Foreflight and Voyager are my tools

> of choice.  They do have some EAPIS tools I've read about

> a little that might be good if you do a lot of international

> flying, but I'm not sure how much of that is on the iphone app.

> FlightAware LiveTracking

> A cool little app for tracking your RV-10 buddies as they

> fly IFR.

> LiveATC

> Online ATC broadcasts from many airports.  Fun to listen

> to when you're bored.

> RoqyBT

> A bluetooth stack you can put on an ipod touch (jailbroken)

> that allows you to use a bluetooth GPS with GPS integrated

> apps.

>

> Other apps non-aviation that I find pretty handy:

> Note: Starred apps require jailbreaking

>

> *MyWi

> *My3G

> *Overboard

>

> Around Me - This app is AWESOME for if you're traveling

> and you want to find things that are...well, Around you.

> Well worth checking out, and it's cheap.

>

> RedLaser - Never buy something in a store and kick

> yourself when you get home and find that the average

> price is 20% less again.

>

> AirMouse - Kind of cool for controlling your mouse on a PC

> attached to a big screen TV.  Geek toy.

>

> Skype - Way cool if you're in the Bahamas and can't use

> your cell phone without spending a million bucks...just

> use the hotel's wi-fi and you can call home for cheap

> or free.

>

> iGo My Way GPS or Tom Tom GPS - You probably want one of

> these for when you travel.  That way you'll have a full

> roadable GPS for your rental car.  They're invaluable!

>

> TextNow - An unlimited texting app.  If your kid texts

> a lot, save your cellphone bill and just make them use

> this app.

>

> SplashID - Here's a favorite of mine....carry all your

> passwords and website passwords with you every where you

> go...credit card numbers, bank account numbers, pilot

> certificate numbers, DUATS code and passwords, everything.

> It's all stored encrypted and you can get a desktop

> app to sync it to or enter data easier.  I use it all

> the time and is one of my favorite apps.

> So there you go....that and a couple of web sites should

> give you much of what you'd ever want.

> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

> do not archive

> Bill Schlatterer wrote:

>> 

>> >

>>

>> OK, I spent an hour last night on Foreflight and bought the annual  

>> package.

>> I love the route briefing and particularly the translated METARS.   

>> I can

>> read the script but always have to think too hard about the Zulu  

>> times.  I

>> wonder if they will switch to the new PROG charts with the enhanced

>> graphics.  I really like them a lot better than the standard stuff.

>>

>> It is a better package than AOPA because it is specifically  

>> designed for the

>> iPhone.  It's cool being able to download charts, airport  

>> directory, and

>> approachs/stars/sids etc and have them in your hand in the  

>> airplane. Not as

>> nice to use as a full size chart but cool for reference or in a  

>> pinch.

>>

>> Thanks for the tip!  Please post any other good iPhone aviation  

>> aps that you

>> come across.

>>

>> Bill S

Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:25 am Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

My current carrier is Sprint and I've been told that their network isn't 

compatible with the iPhone (even unlocked).



Deems



Jesse Saint wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Or you could unlock one and put a SIM card from another carrier in it.



 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com

 352-427-0285



 Sent from my iPhone



 On Dec 31, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:



> 

>

> You guys are driving me crazy, and green w/ envy!  I live in an area 

> that's not got any at&t coverage, I want an iphone (Foreflight 

> really) so bad it hurts! hopegully Google and Android will come to 

> the rescue soon.

>

> Deems

>

> Tim Olson wrote:

>> 

>>

>> Here, I'll list some of the iphone apps for flying that I have

>> and a short comment about each...

>>

>> Foreflight Mobile 3.0

>> This is the app that everyone should have. It's awesome in

>> too many ways to list.  Discount pricing for the rest of tonight.

>> Try filing a VFR flight plan for a route on it once, after

>> downloading the free demo.  You'll be amazed at the email you

>> get back.

>>

>>

>> WingX

>> A many-featured app.  Not utterly horrible, but so much less

>> user friendly than Foreflight that I would only recommend it

>> if you don't have a handheld or backup in-flight GPS moving

>> map. This app would serve fair, not perfect, from an in-flight

>> GPS perspective, and includes terrain.  I wish I could pay

>> just 50% of the price, but ONLY get the nice moving map.

>> That would be an app I'd like.  Or better yet, if Foreflight

>> would put in that type of moving map GPS function, I'm

>> sure they'd do a top notch job.

>>

>> Flight Control

>> It's just a game...but a fun one. 

>>

>>

>> SkyCharts

>> Nice for a cheap, basically VFR only app, with the exception

>> that you can get approach plates but not nearly as handy

>> as the ones in Foreflight. And, you can get graphical weather

>> METAR colors on the map....which also isn't that huge of

>> a deal. But, as long as it's $10, you may as well download

>> it to play with.

>>

>>

>> TrackLog

>> Kind of cool. Similar to APRS and SPOT messenger, this can

>> track you as you fly.  I don't know how it works at high

>> altitude when you're not in cell coverage though.  But,

>> some people seem to have luck with it.  It's cheap enough

>> to try out.

>>

>>

>> PilotFAR

>> Nice to have the regs on hand and searchable....no more

>> buying that stinkin' book every year.

>>

>>

>> Horizon

>> An attitude indicator.  Play only, but it's cheap, and

>> something to show to your buds.

>>

>>

>> NavClock

>> If you want more out of a clock app, this one has some good

>> weather info.  I rarely use it.

>>

>>

>> AeroWeather

>> A pretty nice weather app that I've used in the past to

>> just get a quick visual wind and weather check for local

>> airports.  Foreflight can take it's place though...but

>> at least this one is cheap.

>>

>>

>> FltPlan

>> FlightPlan.com's app.  The app itself isn't near as slick

>> as some of the others, but, it does have some neat things

>> like Bahamas airport info.  I've only used it a couple times,

>> mainly because their website flight planner gets good

>> reviews. But, I haven't found anything groundbreaking

>> about it.... for me, Foreflight and Voyager are my tools

>> of choice.  They do have some EAPIS tools I've read about

>> a little that might be good if you do a lot of international

>> flying, but I'm not sure how much of that is on the iphone app.

>>

>>

>> FlightAware LiveTracking

>> A cool little app for tracking your RV-10 buddies as they

>> fly IFR.

>>

>>

>> LiveATC

>> Online ATC broadcasts from many airports.  Fun to listen

>> to when you're bored.

>>

>>

>> RoqyBT

>> A bluetooth stack you can put on an ipod touch (jailbroken)

>> that allows you to use a bluetooth GPS with GPS integrated

>> apps.

>>

>>

>>

>> Other apps non-aviation that I find pretty handy:

>> Note: Starred apps require jailbreaking

>>

>> *MyWi

>> *My3G

>> *Overboard

>>

>> Around Me - This app is AWESOME for if you're traveling

>> and you want to find things that are...well, Around you.

>> Well worth checking out, and it's cheap.

>>

>> RedLaser - Never buy something in a store and kick

>> yourself when you get home and find that the average

>> price is 20% less again.

>>

>> AirMouse - Kind of cool for controlling your mouse on a PC

>> attached to a big screen TV.  Geek toy.

>>

>> Skype - Way cool if you're in the Bahamas and can't use

>> your cell phone without spending a million bucks...just

>> use the hotel's wi-fi and you can call home for cheap

>> or free.

>>

>> iGo My Way GPS or Tom Tom GPS - You probably want one of

>> these for when you travel.  That way you'll have a full

>> roadable GPS for your rental car.  They're invaluable!

>>

>> TextNow - An unlimited texting app.  If your kid texts

>> a lot, save your cellphone bill and just make them use

>> this app.

>>

>> SplashID - Here's a favorite of mine....carry all your

>> passwords and website passwords with you every where you

>> go...credit card numbers, bank account numbers, pilot

>> certificate numbers, DUATS code and passwords, everything.

>> It's all stored encrypted and you can get a desktop

>> app to sync it to or enter data easier.  I use it all

>> the time and is one of my favorite apps.

>>

>>

>> So there you go....that and a couple of web sites should

>> give you much of what you'd ever want.

>>

>>

>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

>> do not archive

>>

>>

>> Bill Schlatterer wrote:

>>> 

>>> <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>

>>>

>>> OK, I spent an hour last night on Foreflight and bought the annual 

>>> package.

>>> I love the route briefing and particularly the translated METARS.  

>>> I can

>>> read the script but always have to think too hard about the Zulu 

>>> times.  I

>>> wonder if they will switch to the new PROG charts with the enhanced

>>> graphics.  I really like them a lot better than the standard stuff.

>>>

>>> It is a better package than AOPA because it is specifically 

>>> designed for the

>>> iPhone.  It's cool being able to download charts, airport 

>>> directory, and

>>> approachs/stars/sids etc and have them in your hand in the 

>>> airplane. Not as

>>> nice to use as a full size chart but cool for reference or in a pinch.

>>>

>>> Thanks for the tip!  Please post any other good iPhone aviation aps 

>>> that you

>>> come across.

>>>

>>> Bill S

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

FYI, SkyCharts came out with an update yesterday, they now have IFR  

low enroute charts!  I really like that app!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 31, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Here, I'll list some of the iphone apps for flying that I have

 and a short comment about each...

 Foreflight Mobile 3.0

 This is the app that everyone should have. It's awesome in

 too many ways to list.  Discount pricing for the rest of tonight.

 Try filing a VFR flight plan for a route on it once, after

 downloading the free demo.  You'll be amazed at the email you

 get back.

 WingX

 A many-featured app.  Not utterly horrible, but so much less

 user friendly than Foreflight that I would only recommend it

 if you don't have a handheld or backup in-flight GPS moving

 map. This app would serve fair, not perfect, from an in-flight

 GPS perspective, and includes terrain.  I wish I could pay

 just 50% of the price, but ONLY get the nice moving map.

 That would be an app I'd like.  Or better yet, if Foreflight

 would put in that type of moving map GPS function, I'm

 sure they'd do a top notch job.

 Flight Control

 It's just a game...but a fun one. 

 SkyCharts

 Nice for a cheap, basically VFR only app, with the exception

 that you can get approach plates but not nearly as handy

 as the ones in Foreflight. And, you can get graphical weather

 METAR colors on the map....which also isn't that huge of

 a deal. But, as long as it's $10, you may as well download

 it to play with.

 TrackLog

 Kind of cool. Similar to APRS and SPOT messenger, this can

 track you as you fly.  I don't know how it works at high

 altitude when you're not in cell coverage though.  But,

 some people seem to have luck with it.  It's cheap enough

 to try out.

 PilotFAR

 Nice to have the regs on hand and searchable....no more

 buying that stinkin' book every year.

 Horizon

 An attitude indicator.  Play only, but it's cheap, and

 something to show to your buds.

 NavClock

 If you want more out of a clock app, this one has some good

 weather info.  I rarely use it.

 AeroWeather

 A pretty nice weather app that I've used in the past to

 just get a quick visual wind and weather check for local

 airports.  Foreflight can take it's place though...but

 at least this one is cheap.

 FltPlan

 FlightPlan.com's app.  The app itself isn't near as slick

 as some of the others, but, it does have some neat things

 like Bahamas airport info.  I've only used it a couple times,

 mainly because their website flight planner gets good

 reviews. But, I haven't found anything groundbreaking

 about it.... for me, Foreflight and Voyager are my tools

 of choice.  They do have some EAPIS tools I've read about

 a little that might be good if you do a lot of international

 flying, but I'm not sure how much of that is on the iphone app.

 FlightAware LiveTracking

 A cool little app for tracking your RV-10 buddies as they

 fly IFR.

 LiveATC

 Online ATC broadcasts from many airports.  Fun to listen

 to when you're bored.

 RoqyBT

 A bluetooth stack you can put on an ipod touch (jailbroken)

 that allows you to use a bluetooth GPS with GPS integrated

 apps.

 Other apps non-aviation that I find pretty handy:

 Note: Starred apps require jailbreaking

 *MyWi

 *My3G

 *Overboard

 Around Me - This app is AWESOME for if you're traveling

 and you want to find things that are...well, Around you.

 Well worth checking out, and it's cheap.

 RedLaser - Never buy something in a store and kick

 yourself when you get home and find that the average

 price is 20% less again.

 AirMouse - Kind of cool for controlling your mouse on a PC

 attached to a big screen TV.  Geek toy.

 Skype - Way cool if you're in the Bahamas and can't use

 your cell phone without spending a million bucks...just

 use the hotel's wi-fi and you can call home for cheap

 or free.

 iGo My Way GPS or Tom Tom GPS - You probably want one of

 these for when you travel.  That way you'll have a full

 roadable GPS for your rental car.  They're invaluable!

 TextNow - An unlimited texting app.  If your kid texts

 a lot, save your cellphone bill and just make them use

 this app.

 SplashID - Here's a favorite of mine....carry all your

 passwords and website passwords with you every where you

 go...credit card numbers, bank account numbers, pilot

 certificate numbers, DUATS code and passwords, everything.

 It's all stored encrypted and you can get a desktop

 app to sync it to or enter data easier.  I use it all

 the time and is one of my favorite apps.

 So there you go....that and a couple of web sites should

 give you much of what you'd ever want.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive

 Bill Schlatterer wrote:

> 

> >

> OK, I spent an hour last night on Foreflight and bought the annual  

> package.

> I love the route briefing and particularly the translated METARS.   

> I can

> read the script but always have to think too hard about the Zulu  

> times.  I

> wonder if they will switch to the new PROG charts with the enhanced

> graphics.  I really like them a lot better than the standard stuff.

> It is a better package than AOPA because it is specifically  

> designed for the

> iPhone.  It's cool being able to download charts, airport  

> directory, and

> approachs/stars/sids etc and have them in your hand in the  

> airplane. Not as

> nice to use as a full size chart but cool for reference or in a  

> pinch.

> Thanks for the tip!  Please post any other good iPhone aviation aps  

> that you

> come across.

> Bill S

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

Hey, nice tip.  I saw it was updated yesterday but hadn't had a chance  

to try it.  The one thing I don't like is the download manager..it's  

harder to know which low enroutes you need to cache unless you have  

them written down from looking online.  The IFR lows and TACs are a  

big improvement but it's still a small subset of features of FF3.0  

which I think is offers much more for the user.  Skycharts is still  

improving though, so over time maybe they'll add more.  It's certainly  

worth the small price to try it out.  The Breadcrumbs feature might  

appeal to some, and the METARs graphically on the chart are nice if  

your're on the ground or in data service.  Chart updates are free  

until 2.0, so expect that as they add features the price may follow.  

The competition is great!  Still the #1 missing thing is a really good  

moving map gps (non-sectional type) that can compete with a garmin  

296.  I'd pay $100 for that app if it came with database updates.

Maybe foreflight or skycharts will do it.  Right now wingX is the only  

one that seems to be close...and that isn't great since I find the  

overall app kind of kludgy.

Tim



On Jan 1, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>  

wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 >



 FYI, SkyCharts came out with an update yesterday, they now have IFR  

 low enroute charts!  I really like that app!



 Sent from my iPhone



 On Dec 31, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:



> 

>

> Here, I'll list some of the iphone apps for flying that I have

> and a short comment about each...

>

> Foreflight Mobile 3.0

> This is the app that everyone should have. It's awesome in

> too many ways to list.  Discount pricing for the rest of tonight.

> Try filing a VFR flight plan for a route on it once, after

> downloading the free demo.  You'll be amazed at the email you

> get back.

> WingX

> A many-featured app.  Not utterly horrible, but so much less

> user friendly than Foreflight that I would only recommend it

> if you don't have a handheld or backup in-flight GPS moving

> map. This app would serve fair, not perfect, from an in-flight

> GPS perspective, and includes terrain.  I wish I could pay

> just 50% of the price, but ONLY get the nice moving map.

> That would be an app I'd like.  Or better yet, if Foreflight

> would put in that type of moving map GPS function, I'm

> sure they'd do a top notch job.

>

> Flight Control

> It's just a game...but a fun one. 

> SkyCharts

> Nice for a cheap, basically VFR only app, with the exception

> that you can get approach plates but not nearly as handy

> as the ones in Foreflight. And, you can get graphical weather

> METAR colors on the map....which also isn't that huge of

> a deal. But, as long as it's $10, you may as well download

> it to play with.

> TrackLog

> Kind of cool. Similar to APRS and SPOT messenger, this can

> track you as you fly.  I don't know how it works at high

> altitude when you're not in cell coverage though.  But,

> some people seem to have luck with it.  It's cheap enough

> to try out.

> PilotFAR

> Nice to have the regs on hand and searchable....no more

> buying that stinkin' book every year.

> Horizon

> An attitude indicator.  Play only, but it's cheap, and

> something to show to your buds.

> NavClock

> If you want more out of a clock app, this one has some good

> weather info.  I rarely use it.

> AeroWeather

> A pretty nice weather app that I've used in the past to

> just get a quick visual wind and weather check for local

> airports.  Foreflight can take it's place though...but

> at least this one is cheap.

> FltPlan

> FlightPlan.com's app.  The app itself isn't near as slick

> as some of the others, but, it does have some neat things

> like Bahamas airport info.  I've only used it a couple times,

> mainly because their website flight planner gets good

> reviews. But, I haven't found anything groundbreaking

> about it.... for me, Foreflight and Voyager are my tools

> of choice.  They do have some EAPIS tools I've read about

> a little that might be good if you do a lot of international

> flying, but I'm not sure how much of that is on the iphone app.

> FlightAware LiveTracking

> A cool little app for tracking your RV-10 buddies as they

> fly IFR.

> LiveATC

> Online ATC broadcasts from many airports.  Fun to listen

> to when you're bored.

> RoqyBT

> A bluetooth stack you can put on an ipod touch (jailbroken)

> that allows you to use a bluetooth GPS with GPS integrated

> apps.

>

> Other apps non-aviation that I find pretty handy:

> Note: Starred apps require jailbreaking

>

> *MyWi

> *My3G

> *Overboard

>

> Around Me - This app is AWESOME for if you're traveling

> and you want to find things that are...well, Around you.

> Well worth checking out, and it's cheap.

>

> RedLaser - Never buy something in a store and kick

> yourself when you get home and find that the average

> price is 20% less again.

>

> AirMouse - Kind of cool for controlling your mouse on a PC

> attached to a big screen TV.  Geek toy.

>

> Skype - Way cool if you're in the Bahamas and can't use

> your cell phone without spending a million bucks...just

> use the hotel's wi-fi and you can call home for cheap

> or free.

>

> iGo My Way GPS or Tom Tom GPS - You probably want one of

> these for when you travel.  That way you'll have a full

> roadable GPS for your rental car.  They're invaluable!

>

> TextNow - An unlimited texting app.  If your kid texts

> a lot, save your cellphone bill and just make them use

> this app.

>

> SplashID - Here's a favorite of mine....carry all your

> passwords and website passwords with you every where you

> go...credit card numbers, bank account numbers, pilot

> certificate numbers, DUATS code and passwords, everything.

> It's all stored encrypted and you can get a desktop

> app to sync it to or enter data easier.  I use it all

> the time and is one of my favorite apps.

> So there you go....that and a couple of web sites should

> give you much of what you'd ever want.

> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

> do not archive

> Bill Schlatterer wrote:

>> 

>> >

>> OK, I spent an hour last night on Foreflight and bought the annual  

>> package.

>> I love the route briefing and particularly the translated METARS.   

>> I can

>> read the script but always have to think too hard about the Zulu  

>> times.  I

>> wonder if they will switch to the new PROG charts with the enhanced

>> graphics.  I really like them a lot better than the standard stuff.

>> It is a better package than AOPA because it is specifically  

>> designed for the

>> iPhone.  It's cool being able to download charts, airport  

>> directory, and

>> approachs/stars/sids etc and have them in your hand in the  

>> airplane. Not as

>> nice to use as a full size chart but cool for reference or in a  

>> pinch.

>> Thanks for the tip!  Please post any other good iPhone aviation  

>> aps that you

>> come across.

>> Bill S

>

msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:06 am Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

Correct, completely different frequencies and technologies.  Also, Verizon and AT&T use different frequencies for 3G so even though they are compatible, you need to be sure the phone supports both.  I don't believe the iPhone does so you are stuck at 2G with some other carriers.



Michael



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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:07 am Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

I honestly think we are going to see the app market slowly shift to browser based or something similar that is cross platform.  The general consensus out there is app developers are getting fed up with Apple and other approval systems and the Android market will continue to grow.  AT&T's issues may not kill the iPhone market but it certainly leaves the door wide open for Android and others.  If Apple is lucky their exclusitivity agreement will run out before Android catches up or an alternative App delivery system materializes.  The only real killer app for the iPhone is the App Store IMHO.



Michael



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lbgjb10

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Posts: 67

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

If you are planning a trip from A-B, and using FF 3, will it 'automatically' download the maps you need + approach plates etc, or do you have to manually download the maps, plates etc.  And then do you have to 'save' them also??  Happy New Year to everyone.  larry b

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:49 am Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

No, it doesn't automatically download them based on routes.

You can do that kind of thing with Voyager but not

Foreflight.  The foreflight download manager works

on a state-by-state basis.  So just look at your

route and choose to download all of the states along

the route.  For Andrea's on the last trip I downloaded

Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee,

Alabama, Georgia, Florida.   It might be handy to

download by route sometimes, but at the same time,

you don't always know where you'll divert to, so

from a practical perspective it's nice to have

that easily identifiable way to pick and choose the

region you want charts for.  You get the same type

of selection for IFR Low, VFR Sectional, Approach plates,

and such.   Then once you have your selections made,

you should only have to update every month as the

new cycle comes out, and it should be pretty

automatic.



So in Foreflight you probably go forth with more

information than you need. With Voyager I usually

download all airport information for every airport

within 75 miles of my route.  But, on my last trip,

my actual route went more than 75 miles out.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD



lbgjb10 wrote:

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 If you are planning a trip from A-B, and using FF 3, will it

 'automatically' download the maps you need + approach plates etc, or

 do you have to manually download the maps, plates etc.  And then do

 you have to 'save' them also??  Happy New Year to everyone.  larry b

 

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

It will not do it automatically.  You have to sellect which features  

you want caches for which states, but then they are cached until  

deleted or replaced.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

352-427-0285



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On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:17 PM, "lbgjb10" <lbgjb(at)gnt.net> wrote:



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 If you are planning a trip from A-B, and using FF 3, will it  

 'automatically' download the maps you need + approach plates etc, or  

 do you have to manually download the maps, plates etc.  And then do  

 you have to 'save' them also??  Happy New Year to everyone.  larry b



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 Larry and Gayle N104LG





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Bill Schlatterer

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 195

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

Tim, is there any app like FF3 that will allow you to print out the

information to a wireless printer?  It would be nice to be able to print a

hard copy of a few of the approach plates occasionally and a piece of an

enroute chart.  Is that something that will ever or never happen with the

iPhone?



I love this thing,... And FF3!!



Bill S

7a stilllll finishing - 32 degrees in the hanger tomorrow  



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Tim Olson

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Posts: 2872

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

That's a tough one. I think maybe there are some hacks out there

to print from an iphone, (maybe), but I don't know for sure.

Your best bet for the approach plates would be to just look them

up online using AOPA or AirNav, or anything else, and then print

them I guess.  I use Voyager for that, just because it creates a

PDF pack with all your route and Wx information and approaches and

things like that, and you can print selected parts then to paper.

I've never seen anything that does a good job printing a piece of

an enroute chart though.



My thoughts are, if you need that stuff bigger, the best bet is

to use something like a Tablet PC like I've been using for tracking

myself over enroute charts.  Then you get the big screen.  Electronic

is such a nice way to go, but I understand why with the iphone's

smaller screen it wouldn't be ideal....it's nice having a tablet

along for those times.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

Bill Schlatterer wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Tim, is there any app like FF3 that will allow you to print out the

 information to a wireless printer?  It would be nice to be able to print a

 hard copy of a few of the approach plates occasionally and a piece of an

 enroute chart.  Is that something that will ever or never happen with the

 iPhone?

 

 I love this thing,... And FF3!!

 

 Bill S

 7a stilllll finishing - 32 degrees in the hanger tomorrow  

 

 

 

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone

I think you can print from Air Sharing Pro, or at least think I  

remember reading that.  If so, then it's doable from the iP.  I always  

just print from my computer.  There is a way to download a chart &  

print it, but you have to buy it.  I did it once, but a 8.5x11 sheet  

didn't seem very useful for a chart, at least to me.

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

352-427-0285

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2010, at 12:35 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

[quote] 

 That's a tough one. I think maybe there are some hacks out there

 to print from an iphone, (maybe), but I don't know for sure.

 Your best bet for the approach plates would be to just look them

 up online using AOPA or AirNav, or anything else, and then print

 them I guess.  I use Voyager for that, just because it creates a

 PDF pack with all your route and Wx information and approaches and

 things like that, and you can print selected parts then to paper.

 I've never seen anything that does a good job printing a piece of

 an enroute chart though.

 My thoughts are, if you need that stuff bigger, the best bet is

 to use something like a Tablet PC like I've been using for tracking

 myself over enroute charts.  Then you get the big screen.  Electronic

 is such a nice way to go, but I understand why with the iphone's

 smaller screen it wouldn't be ideal....it's nice having a tablet

 along for those times.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 Bill Schlatterer wrote:

> 

> >

> Tim, is there any app like FF3 that will allow you to print out the

> information to a wireless printer?  It would be nice to be able to  

> print a

> hard copy of a few of the approach plates occasionally and a piece  

> of an

> enroute chart.  Is that something that will ever or never happen  

> with the

> iPhone?

> I love this thing,... And FF3!!

> Bill S

> 7a stilllll finishing - 32 degrees in the hanger tomorrow  

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