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partner14
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I had a couple of issues with the wiring of my PS1000 intercom. After wiring the whole thing myself, and then seeing, at Osh, the great job that they do, I went ahead and ordered their harness. Now I need to pull most of my wiring out and install theirs. Without creating noise and/or other issues, is it possible to create a proper junction between their wires and mine.... specifically the wires going to both rear passengers (mic and headset).
Thanks guys.
Don McDonald
Anyone flown with an SR22 to do a 10 vs. 22 comparison?
I may tomorrow.
Whose got the record for climb rate? With 2 on board last week we saw 2140fpm
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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:55 am Post subject: com wiring |
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For what it's worth...
I have and installed a PS 1000ii intercom in my experiemental. It works great and is a good deal for the money. The dark side is this.. PS engineering will try to guilt you into buying a "premade" harness. either from them or their dealer network. They will tell you quite bluntly that if you don't you have NO warranty if you don't play their game. Kinda piss poor business model in my mind... Wiring the intercom up is not a real big deal and if you follow their , 'in my mind' rather complete and good wiring directions your product will work as advertised. They sell a good product at a good price and supplement their profit margin alot by this tactic.. is it bait and switch? naw. Is it a creative way to get greedy ? NO DOUBT. !!!!
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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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jerry-hansen(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:31 am Post subject: com wiring |
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The other side of this “creative greed” is the fact that most initial failures of such products are caused by miswiring. These errors result in the company devoting technical resources to multiple phone calls from the frustrated customer (who is convinced there is no error), repairing the product when ultimately returned (which likely had a power wire connected to a data input, etc.), paying to ship it back, emphasizing that the wiring in the aircraft is incorrect, - only to get another phone call that it “blew up” when plugged in (because of still-incorrect wiring). All of this is greatly irritating to the customer, and very costly to the manufacturer.
It is unusual to see a manufacturer void the warranty if the customer wires the system, but you can see their point.
Jerry Hansen
(not affiliated with the company, but feeling their pain)
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh(at)netzero.com
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:52 AM
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Subject: Re: com wiring
For what it's worth...
I have and installed a PS 1000ii intercom in my experiemental. It works great and is a good deal for the money. The dark side is this.. PS engineering will try to guilt you into buying a "premade" harness. either from them or their dealer network. They will tell you quite bluntly that if you don't you have NO warranty if you don't play their game. Kinda piss poor business model in my mind... Wiring the intercom up is not a real big deal and if you follow their , 'in my mind' rather complete and good wiring directions your product will work as advertised. They sell a good product at a good price and supplement their profit margin alot by this tactic.. is it bait and switch? naw. Is it a creative way to get greedy ? NO DOUBT. !!!!
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: com wiring |
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sounds like Garmin!
From: n801bh(at)netzero.com (n801bh(at)netzero.com)
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 1:51 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: com wiring
For what it's worth...
I have and installed a PS 1000ii intercom in my experiemental. It works great and is a good deal for the money. The dark side is this.. PS engineering will try to guilt you into buying a "premade" harness. either from them or their dealer network. They will tell you quite bluntly that if you don't you have NO warranty if you don't play their game. Kinda piss poor business model in my mind... Wiring the intercom up is not a real big deal and if you follow their , 'in my mind' rather complete and good wiring directions your product will work as advertised. They sell a good product at a good price and supplement their profit margin alot by this tactic.. is it bait and switch? naw. Is it a creative way to get greedy ? NO DOUBT. !!!!
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: "partner14" <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: com wiring
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:21:18 -0800
--> RV10-List message posted by: "partner14" <building_partner(at)yahoo.com>
I had a couple of issues with the wiring of my PS1000 intercom. After wiring the whole thing myself, and then seeing, at Osh, the great job that they do, I went ahead and ordered their harness. Now I need to pull most of my wiring out and install theirs. Without creating noise and/or other issues, is it possible to create a proper junction between their wires and mine.... specifically the wires going to both rear passengers (mic and headset).
Thanks guys.
Don McDonald
Anyone flown with an SR22 to do a 10 vs. 22 comparison?
I may tomorrow.
Whose got the record for climb rate? With 2 on board last week we saw 2140fpm
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Bob Turner
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| Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: com wiring |
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To answer your direct question:
Yes, you can splice (crimp joint or solder/shrink tubing) the mike and phone wires. Try to keep the length which is not inside the shield to a minimum. If you are really anal you can put a braided shield over the splice area (connected to the cable shield) when you're done, but it shouldn't be necessary.
Here is what is necessary, for the lowest noise: Do not allow the shield to touch the airframe anywhere except at the audio panel ground connection. This includes the splice, and the jacks. The jacks should be isolated with non-conducting washers (Stein sells them), and the "ground" side of the jack brought back to the audio panel with its own wire, not the braid. Do not connect the braid to anything at the jack end. This means that you need to have multi-conductor (2 plus shield, 3 if stereo) installed.
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