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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:52 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Kolb guys C

  

   I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII.  I think I could finish it in about two months.

  

   Once my plane is finished C I have a trailer dilemma.  Here's the story;

  

   I live 1200 feet from my local airport.  Less than a 1/4 mile.  This airport is at the end of my street C and I'm the third house from the end.

 There is almost no traffic on my street.  I can go hours between seeing vehicles.

   I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all the time...that is C I do NOT plan to fold the wings C since I have my 40 x 48 hangar I built last year (on my property).

  

   I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport entrance gate.  It's a set of swinging gates C that are always open.  The gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall.  Simply put C I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the airport.

  

   I am looking for trailer ideas.  

 A)  I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV. 

 B)  The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my road).

 C)  The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening

 D)  I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch C etc)

  

   My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit with a towbar.  The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap C and a movable scissor mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly

 by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).

   I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground C and when necessary C raise it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.

  

   Any engineering type guys have any thoughts C ideas C suggestions??  I know I can build a very workable trailer C but I am always open to ideas I may not have thought of.

  

 Waddayathink??

  

 Mike Welch

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Trailer challenge

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		   I live 1200 feet from my local airport.ï¿½ Less than a 1/4 mile.ï¿½ This airport is at the end of my street C and I'm the third house from the end. 	




Some Wise Guy is going to say...... "1200 feet approach to the gate?..... fly it over!"



Otherwise.... if you are talking about hoisting the plane high enough to clear the 9' posts, I wouldn't be crazy about doing that.  I would rather keep it close to the ground.  Tow it to the gate. With a well designed, good wheeled dolly of some design, wing first through the gate by hand.  "K" turn it through the gate if necessary.



How much longer is your plane (nose to tail) than the gate is wide?  Can't be much.  And what, if any, obstacles are on either side of the gate opening.  Do/can the gates swing all the way back against the fence?



Lots of planes go through hangar doors that are narrower than the wing spread.



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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:53 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Mike- Since the gate is always open, have you checked to see if one side can be removed- or quick detachable, like a socket in the ground?  If the owner is an agreeable type, and you can do it neatly, it may convenience other owners as well.

  

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Mike,



 Cheaper and simpler than a trailer, might be to offer to rebuild the airport gate so your plane fits through it, at your expense... and then just taxi it from your hangar.



 Otherwise, build a trailer to tow the plane sideways, and lift just the tail if necessary to clear the gate.



 -Dana



 

 At 11:44 AM 1/4/2010, Mike Welch wrote:

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		  Kolb guys,

  

   I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII.  I think I could finish it in about two months.

  

   Once my plane is finished, I have a trailer dilemma.  Here's the story;

  

   I live 1200 feet from my local airport.  Less than a 1/4 mile.  This airport is at the end of my street, and I'm the third house from the end.

 There is almost no traffic on my street.  I can go hours between seeing vehicles.

   I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all the time...that is, I do NOT plan to fold the wings, since I have my 40 x 48 hangar I built last year (on my property).

  

   I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport entrance gate.  It's a set of swinging gates, that are always open.  The gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall.  Simply put, I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the airport.

  

   I am looking for trailer ideas.  

 A)  I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV. 

 B)  The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my road).

 C)  The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening

 D)  I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch, etc)

  

   My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit with a towbar.  The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap, and a movable scissor mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly

 by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).

   I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground, and when necessary, raise it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.

  

   Any engineering type guys have any thoughts, ideas, suggestions??  I know I can build a very workable trailer, but I am always open to ideas I may not have thought of.

  

 Waddayathink??

  

 Mike Welch

 MkIII

  

   



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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:37 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Hi George C I'll answer your questions one at a time......

  

 > Some Wise Guy is going to say...... "1200 feet approach to the gate?.... fly it over!"



   Interesting that you said that previous statement.  Last summer C I was standing at the end of my driveway C eyeballing the path of a possible landing on my front yard( while my neighbor mowed his lawn).  The next day C he planted a line of trees along his property line.  Obviously he was thinking "don't get any ideas!!  

  

  > Otherwise.... if you are talking about hoisting the plane high enough to clear the 9' posts C I wouldn't be crazy about doing that. I would rather keep it close to the ground. Tow it to the gate. With a well designed C good wheeled dolly of some design C wing first through the gate by hand. "K" turn it through the gate if necessary.

  

  See C I knew some sharp guy was going to suggest something I hadn't thought of!  Build a turntable mechanism C or better yet C build the trailer to allow the plane to roll on and off diagonally (providing the plane will pass through diagonally)   Hmmm???  I'll have to make some measurements to see if a diagonal pass will work.   

 

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		   How much longer is your plane (nose to tail) than the gate is wide? Can't be much. And what C if any C obstacles are on either side of the gate opening. Do/can the gates swing all the way back against the fence?


	


   I measured the gap of the gate last summer C but I can't remember now.  The posts allow for two normal width lanes of traffic to enter the airport C so I'm guessing a gap of around 20 to 22 feet.  I know it is close to these figures C I just can't remember exactly.  My plane is real close to 24 1/2 feet.

   The left gate swings inline with the road C just enough to clear the asphalt.  The other gate swings more out of the way C but not ALL the way. 

  

   Your idea of raising the tail to go through the opening is an idea I pondered awhile back.  This MAY be the best idea C yet.  I haven't "designed" any trailer structure to go this method C but it definitely has merit.

  

 > Lots of planes go through hangar doors that are narrower than the wing spread.



   One thing to consider is whatever I come up with C it has to allow for almost NO "slowdown".  In other words C I can't pull up to the gate C and start farting around with some gizmo that takes a minute or two.  I'll lose friends rapidly if I block the entrance.  I will need to pretty much drive through unimpeded C slowing down for no more than a few seconds.

 

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   Actually C worth more than I paid for it.  Both of your suggestions will get more investigation!   Thanks C George.

  

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:37 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Mike

  

 Forget the trailer spend the money on a wider gate. Offer  to pay or do it yourself?????

  

 Also The FAA has recently stated that they want to  eliminate through the gate operations at airports. The latest ruling states that  any airport that has or will get federal funds must stop allowing airplanes to  enter. Can you imagine the government mandating that a persons car must be  parked on a expressway to be able to use it. Go figure. You may want to check on  this.

  

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:39 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Hi Bill C

  

   The airport is a local public (municipal??) airport.  Last summer C 100% of the perimeter fencing C plus this entrance gate were replaced with taller (from 6' to 8') fencing and gate.

   Evidently too many deer were getting in the airport and the management thought it would be a great way to spend some federal money.

   The posts are 6" pipes C set deep into concrete C 9' tall.  I can guarantee the airport people wouldn't even give me the benefit of an answer if I asked to change the posts.

  

   I could do this type of post relocation....neatly.  It's not far from what I did as a career.

 I did the "removable post" thing for getting my truck and tractor(backhoe) into my side yard years ago.

  

   But these posts are HUGE!!!  I doubt I could pick one up C anymore.  Plus C whatever I come up with must not take more than 10 seconds maximum to get me through.

  

   No C I'm the only goofball that wants to bring his airplane to an airport through the car entrance.

  

   Thanks for the reply C though.

  

 Mike Welch

 

  Date: Mon C 4 Jan 2010 09:39:41 -0800

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       Mike- Since the gate is always open C have you checked to see if one side can be removed- or quick detachable C like a socket in the ground?  If the owner is an agreeable type C and you can do it neatly C it may convenience other owners as well.

  

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Hi Dana C

  

   If I thought the airport types would let me relocate the gate (only one gate would need to be moved) C I'd ask.  But C seeing as how this gate is less than a year old C and built with federal money C I can safely say "don't waste your time" C  to myself.

  

   Example:  Since this is a county airport C I see a county commision hearing C environmental review C traffic study to determine the community benefit C review process C public hearings C more review process C approval C conditions to approval C permit C soils report C engineering review C insurance policy C post a construction bond C  do the work C reinspection.

   In the meantime C I died of old age.  : (

  

   I think I'll go out to my hangar C and take some measurements.  Plus C I'll run down to the airport gates and take a new accurate gap reading.

  

   Yeah C I think you're right.  Either the diagonal method C or the lift a tail method C or a combination of the tow is going to be the way to go.

  

   Back in a while........

  

 Mike Welch

 

  Date: Mon C 4 Jan 2010 13:03:17 -0500

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Mike C



Cheaper and simpler than a trailer C might be to offer to rebuild the airport gate so your plane fits through it C at your expense... and then just taxi it from your hangar.



Otherwise C build a trailer to tow the plane sideways C and lift just the tail if necessary to clear the gate.



-Dana

At 11:44 AM 1/4/2010 C Mike Welch wrote:

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		  Kolb guys C

 

  I should be getting back to work fairly soon on my MkIII.  I think I could finish it in about two months.

 

  Once my plane is finished C I have a trailer dilemma.  Here's the story;

 

  I live 1200 feet from my local airport.  Less than a 1/4 mile.  This airport is at the end of my street C and I'm the third house from the end.

There is almost no traffic on my street.  I can go hours between seeing vehicles.

  I plan on keeping my wings and tailfeathers in flight position all the time...that is C I do NOT plan to fold the wings C since I have my 40 x 48 hangar I built last year (on my property).

 

  I only have ONE obstacle between my hangar and the taxiways...the airport entrance gate.  It's a set of swinging gates C that are always open.  The gap is around 20-22 feet wide and the gate posts are around 9 feet tall.  Simply put C I need to get my assembled plane from my hangar to inside the airport.

 

  I am looking for trailer ideas.  

A)  I plan on towing this trailer with my ATV. 

B)  The trailer does not need to EVER be towed on the roads (except for my road).

C)  The MkIII must clear the 9' X 20' gate opening

D)  I can use the 12 volt electrical supply from the ATV (for a winch C etc)

 

  My initial thoughts are to build a very wide U-shaped frame unit with a towbar.  The plane would roll into this "U" shape gap C and a movable scissor mechanism would rise to lift the plane slightly

by the wing strut attach points (or by the axle legs).

  I could tow the plane about 6" of the ground C and when necessary C raise it 10' briefly to get through the gate opening.

 

  Any engineering type guys have any thoughts C ideas C suggestions??  I know I can build a very workable trailer C but I am always open to ideas I may not have thought of.

 

Waddayathink??

 

Mike Welch

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:53 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Rick C

  

   The new FAA rule doesn't apply in my case.  The FAA wants to stop AIRPLANES from coming through fences to get to an airport C like at some of those airport communities

 where you can taxi from your hangar to the active runway.

  

   Nope C can't forget the trailer idea.  It's gonna have to be that C but thanks C though.

  

 Mike Welch

 

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Date: Mon C 4 Jan 2010 13:21:06 -0500



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 Forget the trailer spend the money on a wider gate. Offer to pay or do it yourself?????

  

 Also The FAA has recently stated that they want to eliminate through the gate operations at airports. The latest ruling states that any airport that has or will get federal funds must stop allowing airplanes to enter. Can you imagine the government mandating that a persons car must be parked on a expressway to be able to use it. Go figure. You may want to check on this.

  

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:59 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Why did you build the hanger on your property,  rather than the airport?

  

 Before I threw out the suggestion to build a wider  gate, I'd take time to investigate the probablity of doing so with local  officials.

  

 Trailering is not the ideal way to enjoy an  airplane.  Some folks have no other alternative.  The more hassle it  is to get ready, before and after flying, the less the Kolb will be  flown.

  

 How are your neighbors and city officials going to  feel about you trailering 30' wide cargo down the street a couple times a  day.

  

 And I thought I had problems flying with cows and  cow manure for the last 25 years.  

  

 john h

 mkIII - 31F at 1255, hauck's holler, alabama.   Too cold to play with the airplane.

  

  

 [quote]      The airport is a local public    (municipal??) airport.  

Mike  Welch

 

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:59 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Mike  

   

It seems that in some of the magazines there have been stands that you can buy to put in a hanger that can raise a plane off the floor so another can be parked under it.    If you could buy one of them and mount it on a trailer,,,   pull up to the gate raise it up, go through, let it down.   Make sure the base of the trailer is secure enough so it won’t tip over  if a gust of wind hit it.   Seems like someone has already done the engineering,   but maybe it is only for nose draggers,,,  you may have to check.  

   

Boyd Young  

   

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:05 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Why not just fold one wing?  It would then easily slip through the gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and gap seal. 



Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.

 



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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:34 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

John H. C

  

   Because the hangar/shop is 50 feet from my house C and I built the hangar on my property because it is my hangar C and I didn't want to get involved with airport leasing C etc C etc C etc.

   Besides C I built an apartment in the back of the hangar C where my wife and I lived for a year C while I built my house C which is almost done.

  

   Trailering C when it is rolled onto a metal frame C pulled 1200 feet C and rolled off the metal frame is hardly "trailering".  This the point why I want it to remain 100% together C wings spread C gassed up C whatever.  Not trailered in the normal sense of the word.  Roll in on C pull it to the airport C roll it off.  Simple plan.  (just got to get through that darn gate)

  

   Don't care much about what city officials say.  I live well south of town and I can move the plane quite easily without worrying about an traffic.  I haven't had a car drive past my house today in three hours.  

  

 Mike Welch

  

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 Before I threw out the suggestion to build a wider gate C I'd take time to investigate the probablity of doing so with local officials.

  

 Trailering is not the ideal way to enjoy an airplane.  Some folks have no other alternative.  The more hassle it is to get ready C before and after flying C the less the Kolb will be flown.

  

 How are your neighbors and city officials going to feel about you trailering 30' wide cargo down the street a couple times a day.

  

 And I thought I had problems flying with cows and cow manure for the last 25 years.  

  

 john h

 mkIII - 31F at 1255 C hauck's holler C alabama.  Too cold to play with the airplane.

  

  

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Boyd C

  

   Your idea of the "airplane lift" is close to what I would design C if I were to go that route.

 I considered the U-frame C with the inner scissor mechanism platform C where the platform "scissors" by way of a winch cable C raising the inner platform.

  

   Still C I like the idea of the diagonal position.  I'm going to run down and get some measurements....

  

 Thanks C  Mike

 

 

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It seems that in some of the magazines there have been stands that you can buy to put in a hanger that can raise a plane off the floor so another can be parked under it.    If you could buy one of them and mount it on a trailer C C C   pull up to the gate raise it up C go through C let it down.   Make sure the base of the trailer is secure enough so it won’t tip over  if a gust of wind hit it.   Seems like someone has already done the engineering C   but maybe it is only for nose draggers C C C  you may have to check. 

  

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: Trailer challenge

Robert C

  

   I thought of that C too.  I think this has to be one of the front runners.

  

   You know what?  Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support

 (from Uncle Craig's design) C and it has these padded wing pockets C this may not be a bad idea.

  

   Thanks Robert C   Mike 

 

  Date: Mon C 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600

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Why not just fold one wing?  It would then easily slip through the gate C at no cost to you C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and gap seal.  



 Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.

 



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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:05 pm Post subject: Trailer challenge

Kolb guys C

  

   Okay C I just got back from taking some measurements.  Here's what I got;

  

   The gate opening is 27 feet.  Posts are 9 foot tall.  I thought the gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm C maybe I measured the old gate opening.

  

   My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing C plus 36" for the center section).  However C if only ONE wing is folded C you'd have to add about 3 feet for the landing gear C i.e....14' for one wing C plus 3' center section C plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one wing were folded)   This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build C if I went with a "one-wing folded design".

  

   I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper C scale the MkIII's outer dimensions C scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount will work.   More on this one later..

  

 Thanks for everyone's input.

  

 Mike Welch

  

   

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  I thought of that C too.  I think this has to be one of the front runners.

 

  You know what?  Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support

(from Uncle Craig's design) C and it has these padded wing pockets C this may not be a bad idea.

 

  Thanks Robert C   Mike 

 

  Date: Mon C 4 Jan 2010 13:05:00 -0600

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Why not just fold one wing?  It would then easily slip through the gate C at no cost to you C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and gap seal.   



 Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.

 



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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: Trailer challenge

At 01:21 PM 1/4/2010, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:

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 Also The FAA has recently stated that they want to eliminate through the gate operations at airports. The latest ruling states that any airport that has or will get federal funds must stop allowing airplanes to enter. Can you imagine the government mandating that a persons car must be parked on a expressway to be able to use it. Go figure. You may want to check on this. 	


 This only applies to people who own property directly adjacent to the airport, and cross the property line through a private access.  It does NOT apply (yet) to people who trailer their planes through the public airport gate from another location.



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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: Trailer challenge

Mike, take into consideration the plane is a little tippy with one wing on.I like the diagonal approach   ---or maybe knife edge?  

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On 4, Jan 2010, at 3:19 PM, Mike Welch wrote:

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  Okay, I just got back from taking some measurements.  Here's what I got;

 

  The gate opening is 27 feet.  Posts are 9 foot tall.  I thought the gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm, maybe I measured the old gate opening.

 

  My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing, plus 36" for the center section).  However, if only ONE wing is folded, you'd have to add about 3 feet for the landing gear, i.e....14' for one wing, plus 3' center section, plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one wing were folded)   This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build, if I went with a "one-wing folded design".

 

  I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper, scale the MkIII's outer dimensions, scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount will work.   More on this one later..

 

Thanks for everyone's input.

 

Mike Welch

 

  

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Robert,

 

  I thought of that, too.  I think this has to be one of the front runners.

 

  You know what?  Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support

(from Uncle Craig's design), and it has these padded wing pockets, this may not be a bad idea.

 

  Thanks Robert,   Mike 

 

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Why not just fold one wing?  It would then easily slip through the gate, at no cost to you, and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and gap seal. 



Seems to me that's a WHOLE lot simpler and cheaper than any other solution.

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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Trailer challenge

Hello...



I looked at a M3C last year on floats ,and it had a pretty neat trailer to get it a short way to the water....take a look and imagine ! The neat thing about this was the tongue ...it had a hitch on both sides and it slid from one end to the other so he could run it up on the trailer ...pull it up on shore then push the tongue all the way though ...pin it ...tie  the tail to the tongue and tow it home....then it's all set to put back in the water !  



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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: Trailer challenge

Hey Big Bob C

  

   I realize that if I were to go with the "one wing folded" approach that it would be VERY side-heavy.  What I would have done is incorporate a cushioned cradle to support and brace that one extended wing.  [ In other words C I would have allowed for that : )  ]

  

   After measuring the new gate opening width C and finding out it is 27 feet wide C I'm real tempted to try to go with the sideways tow idea.  Here's why;

  

   Remember C my main preference is have the plane stay 100% flyable at all times.  Folding even one wing is more than I would prefer not to do.  I'd do it C but I'd rather not C if something else will allow the plane to stay fully "flight ready".  I really would like it to simply roll onto a trailer C secure it with bungies and velcro straps C and roll home.

   Since the gate opening is 27 feet C and the overall length nose to tail is around 24 feet C I'm tempted to make an executive decision C and just go with that sideways tow idea.  This would allow me to make a trailer that the plane would roll onto from the side. (onto runners C most likely)  It could allow me to keep both wings fully extended (and everything C for that matter).  The plane would tow fairly easily between the 27 foot gap.

  

   Now C I need to come up with a decent C very low C trailer C with runners for a side loading.

  

 Thanks for everybody's input C

  

 Mike Welch

  

   

  

 

 

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Date: Mon C 4 Jan 2010 17:25:36 -0500

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Mike C take into consideration the plane is a little tippy with one wing on. I like the diagonal approach   ---or maybe knife edge?  

 BB

 

  On 4 C Jan 2010 C at 3:19 PM C Mike Welch wrote:

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  Okay C I just got back from taking some measurements.  Here's what I got;

 

  The gate opening is 27 feet.  Posts are 9 foot tall.  I thought the gap was closer to 20-22'...hmmm C maybe I measured the old gate opening.

 

  My wingspan is around 31 feet (14' for each wing C plus 36" for the center section).  However C if only ONE wing is folded C you'd have to add about 3 feet for the landing gear C i.e....14' for one wing C plus 3' center section C plus 3 feet for exposed landing gear = 20' wide overall (if one wing were folded)   This would be slam dunk easy trailer to build C if I went with a "one-wing folded design".

 

  I'm going to have to pull out some graph paper C scale the MkIII's outer dimensions C scale a 27 foot opening....and see if a diagonal trailer mount will work.   More on this one later..

 

Thanks for everyone's input.

 

Mike Welch

 

  

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Date: Mon C 4 Jan 2010 11:41:52 -0800



Robert C

 

  I thought of that C too.  I think this has to be one of the front runners.

 

  You know what?  Since I already have that handy dandy boom tube support

(from Uncle Craig's design) C and it has these padded wing pockets C this may not be a bad idea.

 

  Thanks Robert C   Mike 

 

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Why not just fold one wing?  It would then easily slip through the gate C at no cost to you C and time spent of about 5 minutes setting up the wing and gap seal.  



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