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SteveD

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 50

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:32 am Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He has a third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have the docs. Can anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point him your way?



Thanks,

Steved

http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7083

europa(at)pstewart.f2s.co
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:12 am Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

Steve I have a combined manual as a .pdf  (circa 2003) if that's of any use

- it's 12.5 Mb though so I doubt it will email - could send on disc if of

any use.



Paul

On 8/1/10 13:33, "SteveD" <Post2Forum(at)comcast.net> wrote:



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 I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He has a

 third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have the docs. Can

 anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point him your way?

 

 Thanks,

 Steved

 http://www.europaowners.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7083

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 80654#280654

Brian Davies

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 124
Location: uk

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:45 am Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

Hi Steve,



We only have the XS manuals on our website.



Regards



Brian Davies

The Europa Club membership sec. 



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Rowland_Carson

Joined: 04 Jul 2008
Posts: 155
Location: Cheltenham, England

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:47 am Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

At 2010-01-08 05:33 -0800 SteveD wrote:



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		  I have a user on EuropaOwners looking for a Classic Build Manual. He 

has a third hand kit and has contacted Europa they and don't have 

the docs. Can anybody help a brother out? Europa Club Should I point 

him your way?


	


Steve - as Brian Davies says, we only have the XS manual available. 

AFAIK the Classic manual was never seen in the wild as a PDF.



Obviously it originally existed as a soft-copy at the factory 

(although drawings might have been hand-originated), but the version 

control seemed a bit sloppy in the early days, leading me to suspect 

that some early pages got over-written rather than archived when 

superseded. I don't know what software tool was used to write the 

manuals. Of course some soft-copy (such as customer records!) was 

lost (read: destroyed before the chopper left the roof) in 2004. 

Don't know if Roger is still monitoring this forum and could comment. 

Or maybe Andy Draper could tell us, if he had a minute to spare - and 

come to think of it, he might just have a copy of the original manual 

tucked away somewhere. LAA Engineering must have seen the manual to 

approve the design and insert the inspection points, so even if Andy 

doesn't have his own copy, there should be an authentic copy in the 

LAA Engineering files. Their archives were digitised some time back, 

so maybe that is the best place to start hunting.



My own attempts to contact Engineering by e-mail have so far been 

totally unsuccessful so perhaps someone else might take this forward 

- Ian Rickard? If they've got it, seems an argument could be made for 

releasing a soft-copy of the Classic build manual to the Europa Club, 

simply on the grounds that the Club could field queries in the future 

and thus save LAA Engineering some time.



regards



Rowland

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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:37 am Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

Hi! Rowland./SteveD.

Where is the guy who wants the classic manual?

I have a trike manual and should have a mono manual but "cards on the table"

I'm very sensitive about parting with either.

I'm not going to verify having the second one at present since it is in a

place which is likely about minus 5 degrees ! 

I've been bitten before with supplying photo negatives etc. and even a video

of the re-assembly of the Blackburn Beverley, people just get blank memories

and don't make the ultimate commitment to you and if they make the

commitment they don't live up to it. Not withstanding it is a valuable item

when you are selling your completed bird on.

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG



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europabill(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:13 pm Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

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		   Any possibility of uploading it to the Europa Forum?

 That would make it easy for anyone needing it to download.

 

 Just a thought.

 

 Bill

 A010 Monowheel Classic

 

 

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jrgowing(at)bigpond.net.a
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:47 am Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

good idea Rowland.

JR Gowing Kit 327 in Oz



do not archive

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g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

Rowland



As you say, as far as I know the Classic manual was never seen in the wild

as a PDF.  My knowledge does not go back that far but from the XS on I

believe it was mostly a Word document.



I will be happy to approach LAA to see if they have a copy which we could

borrow and turn into a PDF.  This would be an image PDF so it will be quite

large.  I am happy to do the conversion but it will take a week or so.



Do any of our members have a copy we could borrow.  I seem to remember a

number of committee members have some very early kit numbers.



Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 280 hours

Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com

pete(at)lawless.info
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

Ian



I have a classic manual dated January 1996.  You are welcome to borrow it.

It is in an A4 ring binder - if you had a double sided scanner it would make

life easy.



Regards



Pete



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

Ian

I have found a copy which I could bring to the club dinner next week

Graham

might need to rattle my cage the day before so I don't forget

On 09/01/2010 18:29, G-IANI wrote:

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 Rowland



 As you say, as far as I know the Classic manual was never seen in the wild

 as a PDF.  My knowledge does not go back that far but from the XS on I

 believe it was mostly a Word document.



 I will be happy to approach LAA to see if they have a copy which we could

 borrow and turn into a PDF.  This would be an image PDF so it will be quite

 large.  I am happy to do the conversion but it will take a week or so.



 Do any of our members have a copy we could borrow.  I seem to remember a

 number of committee members have some very early kit numbers.



 Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 280 hours

 Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)

SteveD

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 50

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Wanted Classic Build manual

Thanks everybody, I pointed Phil in the Europa Club direction. I have the Combined Builders Manual on PDF. I had it posted on EuropaOwners for awhile but removed it when Europa posted it on their site.

http://www.europa-aircraft.com/

Click Builder Assistance on the left Then click the Manuals  tab.



Thanks, 

Steve D

Rowland_Carson

Joined: 04 Jul 2008
Posts: 155
Location: Cheltenham, England

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

At 2010-01-09 16:37 -0800 SteveD wrote:



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		  I have the Combined Builders Manual on PDF


	


Steve - my impression was that the combined manual only came out at 

the time of the XS and the "combined" part meant it covered both 

monowheel & trigear, rather than Classic & XS.



Of course, I could be wrong (it happened once before!).



regards



Rowland

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Fergus Kyle

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 291
Location: Burlington ON Canada

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:04 pm Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

As Rowland said, there may have been simple Manuals for the Classic without including the triGear model.   

I have one (for 1997) which has no mention of three wheels, so he’s right.  

Cheers, ferg  

PS: It ain’t PDF’d.     [quote][b]

g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:12 am Post subject: Wanted Classic Build manual

Ferg

  

 I am collecting an copy of the old Classic wing manual  today.  I hope to have an updated (including references to Mod 74) version  available in a week or so.

  

  

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 280 hours

Europa Club Mods Rep  (Trigear)

e-mail g-iani(at)ntlworld.com 



   From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus  Kyle

Sent: 15 January 2010 21:02

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As Rowland said,  there may have been simple Manuals for the Classic without including the triGear  model.  

I have one (for 1997) which has no  mention of three wheels, so he’s right. 

Cheers, ferg 

PS: It ain’t PDF’d.[quote]



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