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rjdaugh(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

Don't forget to get your new pilot certificate before the end of March!  Your paper certificate will expire and as I understand it, if you want to fly after that, you will have to take all the tests over for each rating you have. 



Scary!

See:  http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/ 

 



Randy



Randy and Mary Daughenbaugh

10755 Sheridan Lake Road

Rapid City, SD   57702

605.737-1227

 

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Paul A. Franz, P.E.

Joined: 02 Dec 2008
Posts: 280
Location: Bellevue WA

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

On Mon, January 11, 2010 7:31 pm, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Don't forget to get your new pilot certificate before the end of March!


	


Thanks for the reminder, Randy.



 	  Quote: 	
		    Your paper certificate will expire and as I understand it, if you want to

 fly after that, you will have to take all the tests over for each rating you

 have.


	


My interpretation is that the "Paper Certificate" expires and that doesn't mean your

ratings expire. In order to exercise your certification privileges you must be in

possession of a valid certificate. I didn't find anything saying one would lose your

ratings if you didn't get the new certificate by March 31.



 	  Quote: 	
		   http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/


	


If you follow their instructions for reissuing your certificate without you SSI

number, it is free. Otherwise they charge you $2 for a replacement. They immediately

e-mailed my verification and said I would receive the new certificate within two

weeks.



What I found interesting is that they do not require having a current medical to issue

the replacement certificate.

-- 

Paul A. Franz

Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

Bellevue WA

425.241.1618 Cell

425.440.9505 Office



Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.

-- Will Rogers



I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.

-- Will Rogers



"Did you ever know a politician that was not 'facing the most

critical time in the world's affairs' every time he spoke in public?"

-- humorist Will Rogers (1879-1935)



"When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know

whether to answer 'present' or 'not guilty.'"

--President Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)



The problem ... is that we have run out of dinosaurs to form oil with.

Scientists working for the Department of Energy have tried to form oil using

other animals; they've piled thousands of tons of sand and Middle Eastern

countries on top of cows, raccoons, haddock, laboratory rats, etc., but so

far all they have managed to do is run up an enormous bulldozer-rental bill

and anger a lot of Middle Eastern persons.  None of the animals turned into

oil, although most of the laboratory rats developed cancer.

                -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"



You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe that,

contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from houses.

Really, that's what scientists believe.  In fact many scientists actually

use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer.  If you visit a

scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire

roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on how

cool he is and drinking heavily.

                -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"

_________________
Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
425.440.9505 Office

akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:31 am Post subject: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and told me the same thing.  She said she was going around and telling everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may have already is null and void.



I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few weeks!

_________________
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
Avid "C" / Mk IV
582 (147 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
Full Lotus 1450
#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009

I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....

Fox5flyer
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:20 am Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly 

often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off.  If not 

for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I 

couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket 

for failure to make the change on time.  I suspect that the FAA would have a 

fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get recertified 

just because they were late.  Personally, I suspect that the rumors are 

bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.

Then again, just in case...  I sent mine off today.  



Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara

Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."

-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)

Subject: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and 

 told me the same thing.  She said she was going around and telling 

 everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, come 

 March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have to go 

 back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may have 

 already is null and void.



 I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few 

 weeks!



 --------

 DO NOT ARCHIVE

 Leonard Perry aka SNAKE

 Soldotna AK

 Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV

 582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)

 IVO IFA

 Full Lotus 1450

 #1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009



 I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....





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MDKitfox(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:54 am Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

Deke,



A lot of fiction is floating around surrounding this topic.  I thought it best to go to the source.  I have a call in to FAA Headquarters and I hope to have the facts soon.  When I get them I'll be sure to post it for everyone.



 Rick Weiss

N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS

SkyStar S/N 1

Port Orange, FL

 

 

On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:17 PM, fox5flyer wrote:

[quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net (fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net)>



One would think that not all pilots are on the net and maybe don't fly often, ie flying farmers or those who have taken a few years off.  If not for the internet I wouldn't have known nothing about it and, like Paul, I couldn't find anything on the FAA site that addresses losing one's ticket for failure to make the change on time.  I suspect that the FAA would have a fire storm of protest if suddenly thousands of people had to get recertified just because they were late.  Personally, I suspect that the rumors are bogus and a lot of anecdotal BS is floating around out there.

Then again, just in case...  I sent mine off today.  



Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara

Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."

-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)

Subject: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

 	  Quote: 	
		  --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "akflyer" <akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com (akflyer_2000(at)yahoo.com)>



I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and told me the same thing.  She said she was going around and telling everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it, come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you may have already is null and void.



I applied for mine and changed the number.. free and got it within a few weeks!



--------

DO NOT ARCHIVE

Leonard Perry aka SNAKE

Soldotna AK

Avid &quot;C&quot; / Mk IV

582 (100 hrs and counting on the rebuild)

IVO IFA

Full Lotus 1450

#1 snake oil salesman since 1-22-2009



I would rather die trying to live, than to live trying not to die....





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Vic Baker

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 71
Location: Carson City, Nevada

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:56 am Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

Being active on FAA website and safety notices, I'm also surprised to hear 

this.  I searched the FAA website and did find the notice, somewhat buried, 

looks like the ball got dropped on this one.



What about the EAA?  Nothing from them either.....



Vic Baker

S7 912S Warp

Carson City, Nv

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Vic Baker
Series 7
Carson City, Nevada

rjdaugh(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:06 am Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

I find it hard to believe too, but it was someone who works for the FAA that told me that.

I was also told not to throw away the paper cert because all the documentation refers back to it.

Randy

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT <paul(at)eucleides.com (paul(at)eucleides.com)> wrote:

[quote] --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Paul Franz - Merlin GT" <paul(at)eucleides.com (paul(at)eucleides.com)>

 On Mon, January 11, 2010 7:31 pm, Randy Daughenbaugh wrote:

 > Don't forget to get your new pilot certificate before the end of March!

Thanks for the reminder, Randy.

 >  Your paper certificate will expire and as I understand it, if you want to

 > fly after that, you will have to take all the tests over for each rating you

 > have.

My interpretation is that the "Paper Certificate" expires and that doesn't mean your

 ratings expire. In order to exercise your certification privileges you must be in

 possession of a valid certificate. I didn't find anything saying one would lose your

 ratings if you didn't get the new certificate by March 31.

 > http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/

If you follow their instructions for reissuing your certificate without you SSI

 number, it is free. Otherwise they charge you $2 for a replacement. They immediately

 e-mailed my verification and said I would receive the new certificate within two

 weeks.

 What I found interesting is that they do not require having a current medical to issue

 the replacement certificate.

 --

 Paul A. Franz

 Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

 Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

 Bellevue WA

 425.241.1618 Cell

 425.440.9505 Office

 Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.

 -- Will Rogers

 I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.

 -- Will Rogers

 "Did you ever know a politician that was not 'facing the most

 critical time in the world's affairs' every time he spoke in public?"

 -- humorist Will Rogers (1879-1935)

 "When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know

 whether to answer 'present' or 'not guilty.'"

 --President Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)

 The problem ... is that we have run out of dinosaurs to form oil with.

 Scientists working for the Department of Energy have tried to form oil using

 other animals; they've piled thousands of tons of sand and Middle Eastern

 countries on top of cows, raccoons, haddock, laboratory rats, etc., but so

 far all they have managed to do is run up an enormous bulldozer-rental bill

 and anger a lot of Middle Eastern persons.  None of the animals turned into

 oil, although most of the laboratory rats developed cancer.

                 -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"

 You should not use your fireplace, because scientists now believe that,

 contrary to popular opinion, fireplaces actually remove heat from houses.

 Really, that's what scientists believe.  In fact many scientists actually

 use their fireplaces to cool their houses in the summer.  If you visit a

 scientist's house on a sultry August day, you'll find a cheerful fire

 roaring on the hearth and the scientist sitting nearby, remarking on how

 cool he is and drinking heavily.

                 -- Dave Barry, "Postpetroleum Guzzler"

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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:17 am Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

Vic - could you please post that link for the rest of us? 



Thanks!



Bob Brennan - N717GB

ELSA Repairman, inspection rated

1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger

Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop

Wrightsville Pa



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aerobatics(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:44 am Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

I am an instructor at RTC and we give a written notice to all customers  regarding this...  for the last 6 months or so..

  

 Dave

  

 KF 2  582

  

  In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:18:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,  matronics(at)bob.brennan.name writes:

 [quote]-->    Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan"    <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name>



Vic - could you please post that    link for the rest of us? 



Thanks!



Bob Brennan - N717GB

ELSA    Repairman, inspection rated

1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox    taildragger

Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop

Wrightsville    Pa



--

MDKitfox(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

Guys/Gals,



This information is from the AOPA:



Plastic certificates

On February 28 2008, the FAA released its final rule requiring pilots and airmen to switch from their paper pilot certificates to the new counterfeit resistant plastic certificate. Pilots have until March 31, 2010, and all other airmen have until March 31, 2013, to convert their certificates in order to continue to exercise their privileges. After the 2010 and 2013 deadlines, pilots and airman who have not converted will have to request and receive a new plastic certificates before exercising their privileges

aerobatics(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

Agrred  we understand you dont lose a thing  just cant fly until  u get ur plastic

  

  In a message dated 1/12/2010 1:49:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,  MDKitfox(at)aol.com writes:

 [quote]Guys/Gals,    



   This information is from the AOPA:

   



   Plastic certificates

On February 28 2008, the FAA released its final    rule requiring    pilots and airmen to switch from their paper pilot certificates to the new    counterfeit resistant plastic certificate. Pilots have until March 31, 2010,    and all other airmen have until March 31, 2013, to convert their certificates    in order to continue to exercise their privileges. After the 2010 and 2013    deadlines, pilots and airman who have not converted will have to request and    receive a new plastic certificates before exercising their    privileges.

   



   There is no    mention of retesting or flight checks,  you won't be able to exercise the    privileges of the certificates if they are not of the plastic variety.     Only plastic certificates will be legal and you must have them in your    possession.

   



   I'm still waiting for more information direct from the    FAA, but this is pretty clear.

   



               Rick Weiss

   N39RW Series V Speedster, 912ULS

   SkyStar S/N 1

   Port Orange, FL





      On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:

   [quote]     --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Bob Brennan" <matronics(at)bob.brennan.name (matronics(at)bob.brennan.name)>



Vic      - could you please post that link for the rest of us?      



Thanks!



Bob Brennan - N717GB

ELSA Repairman, inspection      rated

1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger

Rotax 582 with 3 blade      GSC prop

Wrightsville Pa



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Vic Baker

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 71
Location: Carson City, Nevada

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:01 pm Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

Will do:



http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/expiring_paper_certificates/



Vic Baker

S7 912S Warp

Carson City, Nv

---

_________________
Vic Baker
Series 7
Carson City, Nevada

matronics(at)bob.brennan.
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:20 pm Post subject: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

So obviously this quote from below is just "snake oil"?? (said with a grin

Leonard...)



 	  Quote: 	
		  >> I had a lady from the FAA stop me at the airport earlier this fall and

>> told me the same thing.  She said she was going around and telling

>> everyone she could find at the airports because as she understood it,

>> come March or April if you don't have the new certificate, you will have

>> to go back for check rides etc, and the 10s of thousands of hours you 

>> may have already is null and void.


	


Bob Brennan - N717GB

ELSA Repairman, inspection rated

1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox taildragger

Rotax 582 with 3 blade GSC prop

Wrightsville Pa



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akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: New pilot certificates! Time is running out!

was just what the bi.. uh.. lady with the FAA stickers on her car told me.  I asked her specifically.. however, that was months ago so at that time she was just getting the word out about what was coming down the line.. the final rule must have been different from what was originally kicked around..

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