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CJohnston(at)popsound.com
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 Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:43 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff - Avidyne - Jepp Flightdeck |
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TDT - (so's not to confuse the Tims)
Are the quoted prices for the avidyne gear on the website absolute?
Does everything go for retail? I'm seriously considering active
traffic, and was just wondering. I can't remember if I've ever seen a
quoted price for Avidyne gear other than the avidyne website. Do
dealers get a better price?
Also -
Anyone have a pirep for the jeppesen flightdeck software? I know it
works with their flight planning stuff, and thought it might fit the
bill for charts in the aircraft (tablet PC) and a bit of situational
awareness (little plane moving on chart).
cj
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www.perfectlygoodairplane.net
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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff - Avidyne - Jepp Flightdeck |
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Those prices are the "list" prices. The dealers do get a dealer price -
but in the avionics world, the retail markup is not as much as you might
think. (Not like the 100% markup any good jewelry store has.)
The big avionics dealers also carry Avidyne stuff, like Eastern
Avionics, Gulf Coast, etc. (Unfortunately, looks like our "Dealer
Locator" link on our website is down right now. I've just reported that
to the web masters.)
We do have some package deals now of an EX500 MFD with a TAS600 traffic
system. Together called an "MHAS6000" and start at $16,985 list. Not
bad when you consider the Ryan active TCAD systems used to cost about
$20,000 before the Avidyne/Ryan merger. Ryan used to sell both passive
and active systems, but now we have moved exclusively to the active
systems. We've divided the traffic products into performance ranges, so
unless you're flying a jet and need the high-end version, the TAS600
traffic system can be offered at $9990. (or in the package above) The
TAS600 plays with many/most MFDs out there, e.g. Cheltons, GNS430/530,
MX20, CNX80, KMD550. The traffic systems are not the most trivial
installation, but it is sweet to have active traffic all the time,
anywhere. And they talk:
"Avidyne's exclusive Heads-Up Audible Position Alerting(tm) verbally
indicates the conflicting aircraft's bearing, range and relative
altitude for rapid visual acquisition of traffic. This automated voice
alert uses the same alert terminology as Air Traffic Control"
http://www.avidyne.com/products/tas600_overview.shtm
Sorry for the sales pitch! : )
As soon as we get flying and can do a good check-out of the traffic
system, I'll post some pictures and information about the install in an
RV-10.
TDT
40025
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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff - Avidyne - Jepp Flightdeck |
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Tim is this system a "real" active system or is it a TIS system and dependent upon radar returns from various centers? I believe that with the TCAS system one needs active interrogation system while in the G 1000 it's a TIS system.
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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff - Avidyne - Jepp Flightdeck |
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All of the Avidyne TAS series are true active sensors that send out their own “pings” and are not passive systems, nor TIS systems. TAS systems like the Avidyne TAS and L-3 Skywatch are active systems, as is TCAS, but TCAS has the extra capability of not only giving you Traffic Alerts (TAs), but also Resolution Advisories (RAs), where the system coordinates with the other aircraft (if also TCAS), telling one aircraft to climb and one aircraft to descend. TCAS is what the airliners use.
BTW, G1000 is just a display in regards to traffic. I suppose it can display TIS from its remote GTX330 transponder, but it will also interface to an active Avidyne TAS600, or probably even an L-3 Skywatch.
TDT
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Subject: Re: Re: IFR related cockpit stuff - Avidyne - Jepp Flightdeck
Tim is this system a "real" active system or is it a TIS system and dependent upon radar returns from various centers? I believe that with the TCAS system one needs active interrogation system while in the G 1000 it's a TIS system.
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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff - Avidyne - Jepp Flightdeck |
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Tim, the G 1000 gives you a trend line and altitude of the target also...but the signal is a return signal so the traffic is really never where it's pointed out...but a nice feature along with the 6 second trend line.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff - Avidyne - Jepp Flightdeck |
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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff - Avidyne - Jepp Flightdeck |
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Again, the G1000 is just a display for the traffic sensor. In that case, the TIS transponder. TIS information is actually transmitted from a ground based Mode-S radar that is tracking the other aircraft and then sending the data to you. The track of the targets is calculated by the system on the ground before being sent up to you. The altitude is from the target’s transponder, and almost all traffic systems will show you that.
In order to get any traffic with TIS, you need to be within range of a Mode-S ground radar, which unfortunately they are not installing any more of, and actually are decommissioning some. I flew the G1000 in a Diamond out of Las Vegas, and about out near the Hoover Dam, all the traffic symbols went away, because we left the range of the Mode-S radar at Las Vegas. (And all of that traffic buzzing around the Grand Canyon would be nice to see!)
The G1000 will happily display traffic from an active traffic sensor like the Avidyne TAS600 or L-3 Skywatch.
TDT
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Subject: Re: Re: IFR related cockpit stuff - Avidyne - Jepp Flightdeck
Tim, the G 1000 gives you a trend line and altitude of the target also...but the signal is a return signal so the traffic is really never where it's pointed out...but a nice feature along with the 6 second trend line.
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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff - Avidyne - Jepp Flightdeck |
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Good question for GRT. The TAS600 will spit out standard ARINC 429
traffic information labels . . .
TDT
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