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cjswa(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: Drain Holes in Wings

Don,

  

 I have a Model 4 and I installed drain holes.   In the wing construction section of my builder's manual, when fabricating the  trailing edge it says "Cut the notch (in the trailing edge lip) for the cap  strip 1/8 inch wider on the outboard side of each rib to provide a drain opening  for the area behind the lip."  You later burn the drain holes through  the fabric in this area.  I'm not sure about the wing construction of the  Model 5, but maybe there is also something there in your manual.  (I  did not see anything about drain holes in the covering section of  the builder's manual.)  But, the PolyFiber manual also calls for drain  holes in each bay of wings.

  

 Bill Anderson

 Model IV - 1050

 Brentwood, NH

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Jimz

Joined: 09 Dec 2007
Posts: 31

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:01 am Post subject: Drain Holes in Wings

My manual for my 1995 Series 5 shows a 3/16 inch drain hole  3/4 of an inch in from the trailing edge in line with the hinge. My factory  assembled flapperons do not have the holes. I plan on putting them  in.    

 Jim Series 5 0-200 21D MN.

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: Drain Holes in Wings

Thinking like a (dreaded) lawyer here, maybe the reason for the lack  

of holes in the flaperon is that as delivered, this is now an  

"incomplete task", and when the homebuilder completes the task of  

drilling the holes per the instructions...if there are any...he or  

she has now completed the task of "building" the flaperon, and can  

now honestly(?) say that they were the one who completed that task,  

on the road to the 51% rule. Remember that the 51% rule only compares  

tasks, not magnitude of tasks....a fuselage welded and painted from  

the factory equals a rudder pedal bracket built at home in the eyes  

of the governing body. At least it did when I built my  

plane........God I hate lawyers!        Not you Marco....: )



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying (and learning)

On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Zimmermans wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   My manual for my 1995 Series 5 shows a 3/16 inch drain hole 3/4 of  

 an inch in from the trailing edge in line with the hinge. My  

 factory assembled flapperons do not have the holes. I plan on  

 putting them in.

 Jim Series 5 0-200 21D MN.

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Fox5flyer
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:45 am Post subject: Drain Holes in Wings

Good point, Lynn.  Hadn't thought of it that way.

How's the new intake manifold working for you?

Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara

Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."

-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)



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Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:01 am Post subject: Drain Holes in Wings

Lynn, My father had an old flight instructor that actually refused to give flying lessons to lawyers and doctors because he had a couple of them as students and they already knew everything. I didn't know Marco was a lawyer. Gee, he seems like a nice enough guy? Maybe he is a patent lawyer or something. What kind of a lawyer are you Marco?

  do not archive

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL 

 On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM, fox5flyer <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net (fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net (fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net)>

 

Good point, Lynn.  Hadn't thought of it that way.

How's the new intake manifold working for you?

Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara

 Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."

-- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:49 am Post subject: Drain Holes in Wings

Hi Deke-

Got snow?



The intake is working great, but in building it, I increased the  

plenum size, and that apparently had the effect of making it a higher  

rpm manifold. I was flying yesterday and at about 2850-2880 rpm, I  

had an EGT spread of as low as 12 degrees F apart, and the CHT's were  

within about 19 F.  I had them that close with the original Jabiru  

intake manifold, but the rpm was down around 2750. Of course, cold  

weather set in, and that might have monkeyed up the works.

I wasn't real happy with the manifold at first, but I've gotten used  

to using a higher rpm, and the fuel usage of 3.6-3.9 is pretty good  

at 2880 rpm, too.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying (and learning)

On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:44 PM, fox5flyer wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net>



 Good point, Lynn.  Hadn't thought of it that way.

 How's the new intake manifold working for you?

 Deke Morisse

 Mikado Michigan

 S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:51 am Post subject: Drain Holes in Wings

Marco is too nice a guy to be a lawyer...he's gotta be pullin' our  

legs. : )



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 840.4 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~159 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying (and learning)

do not archive



On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:



[quote] Lynn, My father had an old flight instructor that actually refused  

 to give flying lessons to lawyers and doctors because he had a  

 couple of them as students and they already knew everything. I  

 didn't know Marco was a lawyer. Gee, he seems like a nice enough  

 guy? Maybe he is a patent lawyer or something. What kind of a  

 lawyer are you Marco?

 do not archive

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL



 On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM, fox5flyer  

 <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net> wrote:

 

 <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net>



 Good point, Lynn.  Hadn't thought of it that way.

 How's the new intake manifold working for you?

 Deke Morisse

 Mikado Michigan

 S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT

 "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara

 Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."

 -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)



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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

Fox5flyer
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:17 am Post subject: Drain Holes in Wings

Sounds to me like it ain't broke!  Good job.

The cold weather has quite an effect, especially when compared to summer 

time.

Deke



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Fox5flyer
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:18 am Post subject: Drain Holes in Wings

I heard they all are required to take acting classes to get though the Bar. 



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: Drain Holes in Wings

Your remark reminded me of when my father, a doctor, started his flying lessons.  He stole an hour one afternoon to go flying...  on the way to the airport his car started to drift across to the left side of the road and while thinking about the flying he started applying “right rudder”.   He was at almost full right rudder when he hit the back of a garbage truck.  I guess it’s like father love son...  Several times on nice days when I get to a straight stretch of open road I find myself pulling back on the wheel... J  

   

Noel  

     

From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Reilly

 Sent: January 21, 2010 2:30 PM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Drain Holes in Wings  

  

     

Lynn, My father had an old flight instructor that actually refused to give flying lessons to lawyers and doctors because he had a couple of them as students and they already knew everything. I didn't know Marco was a lawyer. Gee, he seems like a nice enough guy? Maybe he is a patent lawyer or something. What kind of a lawyer are you Marco?  

    

do not archive  

    

Pat Reilly  

    

Mod 3 582 Rebuild  

    

Rockford, IL   

    

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:44 AM, fox5flyer <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net (fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net)> wrote:  

--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net (fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net)>

 

 Good point, Lynn.  Hadn't thought of it that way.

 How's the new intake manifold working for you?

 Deke Morisse

 Mikado Michigan

 S5/Subaru/CAP 438+ TT

 "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara

 Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."

 -- Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)

 

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Noel Loveys
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: Drain Holes in Wings

Marco isn't replying or maybe he didn't read the post.



do not archive



Pat Reilly

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Noel Loveys <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca> wrote:



[quote]  Your remark reminded me of when my father, a doctor, started his flying

 lessons.  He stole an hour one afternoon to go flying...  on the way to the

 airport his car started to drift across to the left side of the road and

 while thinking about the flying he started applying “right rudder”.   He was

 at almost full right rudder when he hit the back of a garbage truck.  I

 guess it’s like father love son...  Several times on nice days when I get to

 a straight stretch of open road I find myself pulling back on the wheel..

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