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Barry Marz
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 Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: Rear Windows |
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Just finished my rear windows and wanted to share some info. Did the right
side per plans; it went ok but the Weld-on 10 is messy. On the left side I
put the glue on the window while it was flat; and had my helper guide the
bottom to the correct position then flipped the window into position. Had a
few drips but much better than the right side. Also found a place in LA(
Gavrieli Plastics 818-982-0000) that sells Weld-on 10 in 16 oz. Kits for
$17.00. Blue Skys. Barry
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: Rear Windows |
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If you haven't bonded in windows before I recommend a call to Phoenix
Composites in Mesa AZ at FFZ. They do this all the time and have some good
procedures that they will share in a phone call.
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VHMUM(at)bigpond.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: Rear Windows |
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Can you share it with us I am sure they dont want 100 phone calls!!
regards Chris
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: Rear Windows |
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OK but will require a page of text tomorrow. Basically the windows are
glassed in with epoxy/resin, chopped fibers and cabosil. They are held in
place while curing with a number of aluminum "fingers" clecoed to the
surface of the lid on the perimeter of the window. finally a narrow strip of
glass covers the outside flange/edge of the window. The result is window
that is secure and will not crack the paint at the edge after a 100+ hours
of engine vibration.
By the way the same thing goes for the hinge fasteners on the cowl. The
rivets that hold the hinges in the glass cowl will "break through the paint
after 100+ hours and you will see rivet heads in the paint. To eliminate
that problem a narrow strip of glass can be epoxyed over the rivet line and
the rivet heads will not break through the paint
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ddddsp1(at)juno.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: Rear Windows |
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Dave,
Are you saying NOT to use the window (WELD ON) glue Van's recommends...........and use epoxy/resin instead? I agree the e-glass around the perimeter is a good idea,,,,,,,,,what WEGHT of e-glass do they recommend? Just one layer of E-glass and how do they feather it in to look flawless?
Thanks,
Dean 40449
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: Rear Windows |
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My cohort is reviewing our procedure to determine whether I forgot anything . we will put on it the list later today. If you want to see how it looks, my Glastar will be at OSH thurs through sat N48007. If required I could get a couple of pictures of the finished product.
In the meantime a got the following note from a friend at the Big Airplane Company.
Subject: C-5B Accident Dover
FYI: Received from a personal friend who is often involved in
investigations into mishaps of large planes such as this.
| Quote: | The old story -- nobody was flying the A/C.........
"The current skinny on the crash--none of it official--until the board
says so.
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It was not a bird ingestion but a "reverser unlock" on the #2 engine
that started this. They lost a C-5 with all aboard a few years back
in Germany for the same cause. This crew however shut down the engine
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| Quote: | before an actual unstow took place. The airplane was well over 700K
gross weight with FOB of over 300K. The airplane had the newest
version of the C-5 flight deck with big panel glass. Unfortunately,
only one of the three pilots was really comfortable with the new
equipment and FMS.
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The crew decided because of their weight to fly their approach to the
longest runway, which unfortunately was only being served that day by
a Tacan (fancy VOR for you civilian types) approach. They also
decided to fly a full flap approach to keep the approach speed down.
This isn't prohibited--just highly discouraged. The recommended flap
setting for a three engine approach is Flaps 40. During the approach
the crew became worried about not having enough power to fly a full
flap approach and selected flaps 40--which they were now too slow for.
Here's the point all you glass cockpit guys should sit up and take
notice about. The one guy who was familiar with the new glass and FMS
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| Quote: | was also the one flying the aircraft. He became distracted inputting
the new approach speed in the FMS. There was also some confusion
about just who was flying the A/C while he had his head down updating
the speed. Long story short--they got way slow and into the shaker,
and actually stuck the tail into the trees and it departed the
aircraft first. The nose pitched down hard and the nose and left wing
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| Quote: | impacted next snapping off the nose. Several cockpit occupants
suffered spinal compression injuries. The guys sitting at the crew
table behind the cockpit actually came to a stop with their legs
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dangling out over the ground.
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The miracle of this was the left outboard fuel tank was broken open
and none of that fuel managed to find something hot enough to ignite
it and the other 300k. Again, a bunch of very lucky people.
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