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rickofudall

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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:11 pm Post subject: Beading versus Flaring

Beading produces a smooth taper from the original tube diameter to the bead diameter and back again. When you push the hose on it stretches smoothly and evenly over the bead and returns to its size. The contact surface of the bead is large and smooth. 'The maximum size of the bead is limited by either the beading anvil or the maximum taper of the expansion screw of the tool and can be seen and measured while it is being made. Flaring leaves a hard edge that the hose is forced around immediately. Single flares crack, double flares are better but the contact edge in the hose is still narrow and capable of cutting the soft inner wall of the hose. The maximum diameter of the flare is only limited by a good guess and how much the tube alloy will stretch before cracking. The flaring tool, generally, has serrated jaws that leave concentric stress risers all the way around tube for about 1/2" from the flare.

 Somebody send me the part number of Harbor Freight Tools beading tool.

Rick Girard

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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:33 pm Post subject: Beading versus Flaring

Here is another beading tools:

  

 http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=6684

  

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Beading produces a smooth taper from the original tube diameter to  the bead diameter and back again. When you push the hose on it stretches  smoothly and evenly over the bead and returns to its size. The contact surface  of the bead is large and smooth. 'The maximum size of the bead is limited by  either the beading anvil or the maximum taper of the expansion screw of the  tool and can be seen and measured while it is being made. Flaring leaves a hard edge that the hose is forced around immediately.  Single flares crack, double flares are better but the contact edge in the hose  is still narrow and capable of cutting the soft inner wall of the hose. The  maximum diameter of the flare is only limited by a good guess and how much the  tube alloy will stretch before cracking. The flaring tool, generally, has  serrated jaws that leave concentric stress risers all the way around tube for  about 1/2" from the flare.

 Somebody send me the part number of Harbor Freight Tools beading  tool.

 



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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Beading versus Flaring

[quote="rickofudall"]Beading produces a smooth taper from the original tube diameter to the bead diameter and back again. When you push the hose on it stretches smoothly and evenly over the bead and returns to its size. The contact surface of the bead is large and smooth. 'The maximum size of the bead is limited by either the beading anvil or the maximum taper of the expansion screwï¿½of the tool and can be seen and measured while it is being made. Flaring leaves a hard edge that the hose is forced around immediately. Single flares crack, double flares are better but the contact edge in the hose is still narrow and capable of cutting the soft inner wall of the hose. The maximum diameter of the flare is only limited by a good guess and how much the tube alloy will stretch before cracking. The flaring tool, generally, has serrated jaws that leave concentric stress risers all the way around tube for about 1/2" from the flare.

 Somebody send me the part number of Harbor Freight Tools beading tool.

Rick Girard

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Hi Rick,

Yep, I was thinking this exact same thing when I was considering the flaring idea....



I finally just decided to get the Parker tool and some tubing and just do it right myself. I've never regretted buying good tools anyway even if I don't immediately use them for more than one job........



There'll be a little trial and error to get the right lengths anyway depending on what water hose I can get locally so I'll be better off in the end with my own copy of the tool. I might have to make several tries so....



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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Beading versus Flaring

Beading tool on Amazon.



http://www.amazon.com/Earls-008ERL-EZ-Beader-Tubing/dp/B000A8OTVI



No idea if it will do the job but it is a lot cheaper than $400.

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lucien

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Beading versus Flaring

 	  Thom Riddle wrote: 	
		  Beading tool on Amazon.



http://www.amazon.com/Earls-008ERL-EZ-Beader-Tubing/dp/B000A8OTVI



No idea if it will do the job but it is a lot cheaper than $400. 	




Yeah I was considering this one too, but I couldn't get enough info on what size I needed to get to bead the tubing I'm going to use. So I just went with the Parker tool to make sure I can do the job right and not have to go back and forth trying to get the right size tool etc.... 

And I'll have it around so other folks can use it in case they need it etc...



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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:15 am Post subject: Beading versus Flaring

Not a deal at all

 The 2" size is $400

 Then are size specific just like the old Parker kit. Here is a description:  Tubing Beaders, EZ Beader, for 3/8, 1/2, 5/8, 3/4, 1, 1 1/4, 1 1/2, 1 3/4, 2 in. Tube Outside Diameter, Kit  They don't even sell 1/4" or 5/16" for fuel lines



 The Bingillis book has a description for a diy tool that works for about 3/4" and larger. I made one and the results are marginal but functional.

 PW

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 Beading tool on Amazon.



  http://www.amazon.com/Earls-008ERL-EZ-Beader-Tubing/dp/B000A8OTVI

 

 No idea if it will do the job but it is a lot cheaper than $400.



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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: Beading versus Flaring

Not a deal at all

 The 2" size is $400

 Then are size specific just like the old Parker kit. Here is a description:   Tubing Beaders, EZ Beader, for 3/8, 1/2, 5/8, 3/4, 1, 1 1/4, 1 1/2, 1 3/4, 2 in. Tube Outside Diameter, Kit  They don't even sell 1/4" or 5/16" for fuel lines

 The Bingillis book has a description for a diy tool that works for about 3/4" and larger. I made one and the results are marginal but functional.

 PW

 PS: In a pinch when I broke my 5.16" beader on steel tubing I just lightly threaded the tube end using an oversized metric die.  The result was a nice rough surface to grip the hose. Used on a EFI truck 45psi max still holding after 5 years.

 Best bet for a aircraft tube is find a shop with  the Parker tools. Keep searching machine shops and radiator shops. All auto coolant connections are beaded.

 PW

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 Thom Riddle wrote:

 > Beading tool on Amazon.

 > 

 >  http://www.amazon.com/Earls-008ERL-EZ-Beader-Tubing/dp/B000A8OTVI

 > 

 > No idea if it will do the job but it is a lot cheaper than $400.

 Yeah I was considering this one too, but I couldn't get enough info on what size I needed to get to bead the tubing I'm going to use. So I just went with the Parker tool to make sure I can do the job right and not have to go back and forth trying to get the right size tool etc.... 

 And I'll have it around so other folks can use it in case they need it etc...

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: Beading versus Flaring

I did a little checking on this also C because I had no idea what size the beader would do.  I googled it and ended up finding out that a model  008 was 3/8" OD tubing C  009 was 1/2" C  010 was 5/8" C  011 was 3/4" C  012 was 1" C ect C ect.  Price went up as the size got bigger.  Take care C  Jim Chuk

 

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 Thom Riddle wrote:

 > Beading tool on Amazon.

 > 

 > http://www.amazon.com/Earls-008ERL-EZ-Beader-Tubing/dp/B000A8OTVI

 > 

 > No idea if it will do the job but it is a lot cheaper than $400.

 

 

 Yeah I was considering this one too C but I couldn't get enough info on what size I needed to get to bead the tubing I'm going to use. So I just went with the Parker tool to make sure I can do the job right and not have to go back and forth trying to get the right size tool etc.... 

 And I'll have it around so other folks can use it in case they need it etc...

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:12 am Post subject: Beading versus Flaring

Spruce:



http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/to/tubing_beaders.html

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 Beading tool on Amazon.

 

 [url=http://www.amazon.com/Earls-008ERL-EZ-Beader-Tubing/dp/B000A8OTVI]http://www.amazon.com/Earls-008ERL-EZ-Beader-Tubing/dp/B000A8OTVI

 

 No idea if it will do the job but it is a lot cheaper than $400.

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Beading versus Flaring

Here's another option for tooling:

http://www.tubebeadingtool.com/applications.htm

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