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 Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:20 am Post subject: Lightning Construction Manual |
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I am considering building a Lightning. I have read all of the newsletters and I am impressed with the airplane. I know that the advertised construction time is about 600 hours. I have constructed a Pulsar and the advertised building time for that aircraft was 1200 hours. The Pulsar has been flying for 10 years but has always been a little to small for me and a passenger. It's time to build another plane. So, my question is: Are there any samples of the Lightning build manual that I could look at to see the level of detail in the construction. Something that will give me an idea of what needs to be built in the 600 hours. One thing that really appeals to me is the short build time. Also, has anyone used a different engine in the aircraft? I have an 0290 that I would like to use if possible.
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George Gennuso
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:28 am Post subject: Lightning Construction Manual |
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Hi George,
The build manual is available on our web site: http://www.flylightning.net/Owners.htm.
So far, no one has installed anything other than a Jabiru 3300 that we know of. There was one 5500, 8 cylinder installation in Australia but it's since been replaced with a 3300. That's not to say that it can't or won't be done!
I hope this information is helpful. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact us or your local Lightning dealer.
Best regards,
Mark
Mark Stauffer
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Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: Lightning Construction Manual |
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Mark, thanks for the quick reply. I've taken a quick look at the manual and the Lightning does seem to be very easy to build, I don't see anything that I haven't done before. I'm going to contact Greg Hobbs in Arizona to see if I can stop by to look at his Lightning. I'd like to see how roomie the cockpit is and see how it is with two people on board. Just a thought, do you know of any Lightning builders on the west coast. I'm in Palmdale Ca, about 20 miles from Edwards AFB and about 80 miles north of Los Angeles..
Thanks again
George
From: Mark Stauffer <mark(at)flylightning.net>
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 8:28:35 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning Construction Manual
DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Hi George,
The build manual is available on our web site: http://www.flylightning.net/Owners.htm.
So far, no one has installed anything other than a Jabiru 3300 that we know of. There was one 5500, 8 cylinder installation in Australia but it's since been replaced with a 3300. That's not to say that it can't or won't be done!
I hope this information is helpful. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact us or your local Lightning dealer.
Best regards,
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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info(at)flylightning.net
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: Lightning Construction Manual |
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George,
Also if you got to our web site, under support, than build assist, there is a link straight to it.
Thanks.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Gennuso
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:43 AM
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Mark, thanks for the quick reply. I've taken a quick look at the manual and the Lightning does seem to be very easy to build, I don't see anything that I haven't done before. I'm going to contact Greg Hobbs in Arizona to see if I can stop by to look at his Lightning. I'd like to see how roomie the cockpit is and see how it is with two people on board. Just a thought, do you know of any Lightning builders on the west coast. I'm in Palmdale Ca, about 20 miles from Edwards AFB and about 80 miles north of Los Angeles..
Thanks again
George
From: Mark Stauffer <mark(at)flylightning.net>
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 8:28:35 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Construction Manual
Hi George,
The build manual is available on our web site: http://www.flylightning.net/Owners.htm.
So far, no one has installed anything other than a Jabiru 3300 that we know of. There was one 5500, 8 cylinder installation in Australia but it's since been replaced with a 3300. That's not to say that it can't or won't be done!
I hope this information is helpful. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact us or your local Lightning dealer.
Best regards,
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:43 am Post subject: Lightning Construction Manual |
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Hi George,
I think you will be very pleased with you choice of the Lightning for your next aircraft building project. It is a great airplane with fantastic performance and outstanding looks. I watched a friend build a Pulsar here in Virginia some years ago (before the Lightning was on the market) and it was a much more involved project. He certainly invested much more than 1200 hours in his Pulsar build. Another friend (in Texas) has just completed a Pulsar and is doing the Phase One testing at the moment. It is actually covered in the February Lightning Newsletter.
The Lightning is truly a quick build kit and, with your past experience, you will have yours flying quickly. And as you mentioned, the Pulsar was quite small. I could not get in it because of the limited leg and head room and I am only 6'2". The Lightning can easily carry two people my size.
Reference the Lycoming O-290, another friend used a G model (old ground power unit) modified to aviation standards in his Pitts and it worked rather well. So, you could probably adapt an O-290 to the Lightning, but you would lose quite a bit of useful load - probably close to 100 pounds. From memory, I think the Lycoming O-290 dry weight is close to 265 pounds and the installed weight will certainly be more. Again, from memory, the Jabiru 3300 is around 180 pounds and that includes the exhaust, starter, and all other accessories. That much weight difference ahead of the firewall will certainly cause some W&B adjustments - like putting the battery quite a bit aft in the fuselage. And remember, the easiest and best way to make an airplane faster and perform better is to keep the weight down. I would also suspect that the fuel burn on the O-290 would be quite a bit more than the 3300. Other considerations would be the fact that the Jabiru would "bolt right in" per the plans but you would have to come up with your own O-290 systems such as exhaust, oil cooling set ups, etc., etc. Also, the routine maintenance cost of such things as spark plugs and oil filters, etc. would run much more for the O-290.
Which ever way you go, don't forget to write some articles for the newsletter while you are building and flying. I am sure your experience and "lessons learned" will be very beneficial to future Lightning builders and flyers. One other thought, I seem to remember only one Lightning owner from California - John Krizman (not sure if I am spelling that right). I took John for a demo flight some time ago and he just recently completed his build at the Shelbyville facility. Not sure if he has his "jet" in California yet or not. Mark and Nick can fill you in, but I certainly agree with your plan to visit Greg Hobbs in Arizona to see his Lightning and probably get a demo flight.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
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| Quote: | I am considering building a Lightning. I have read all of the newsletters and I am impressed with the airplane. I know that the advertised construction time is about 600 hours. I have constructed a Pulsar and the advertised building time for that aircraft was 1200 hours. The Pulsar has been flying for 10 years but has always been a little to small for me and a passenger. It's time to build another plane. So, my question is: Are there any samples of the Lightning build manual that I could look at to see the level of detail in the construction. Something that will give me an idea of what needs to be built in the 600 hours. One thing that really appeals to me is the short build time. Also, has anyone used a different engine in the aircraft? I have an 0290 that I would like to use if possible.
Thanks
George Gennuso
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:10 am Post subject: Lightning Construction Manual |
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John's plane is still with us here in Shelbyville. The plane is flying and just waiting for John to come back and finish up his Phase 1 testing before making the trek back to Sacramento.
Mark
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:01 am Post subject: Lightning Construction Manual |
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Nice!
The next record will be for the Grumman!
Nick
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:28 am Post subject: Lightning Construction Manual |
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Ouch!
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:54 am Post subject: Lightning Construction Manual |
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The next record will be for the Grumman!
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: Lightning Construction Manual |
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There seems to be a bit of confusion about Nick's remark regarding Bill Strahan's other plane, his Grumman.
Nick's reply and my response of "Ouch" was more of an inside joke between Bill, Nick and myself. Bill, being the busy business man that he is, took a little longer than normal to get his hours flown off and then fly his plane home. I'm being generous with the term "a little longer". When he came to Shelbyville several months ago to retrieve his Lightning he flew over from Texas in his Grumman. Bill is an extraordinary person but he hasn't mastered the art of flying two planes at once. At least not yet. So, he left his little yellow Grumman here. Between Bill's schedule, the fierce TN snows, and the locust cycle it's been tough for Bill to get back to here. We periodically send Bill pictures of his wayward Grumman just so he knows it's in good hands. We're confident that the Grumman will eventually make it's way back to Texas and Bill's airplane family will again be whole.
And now you have the rest of the story!
All in fun!
Mark
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: Lightning Construction Manual |
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Yeah I would hate for airport goers to ask what the two antique classic are on the ramp when they see the Grumman next to the DC-3
Nick
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:28 AM
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Subject: RE: Re: Lightning Construction Manual
There seems to be a bit of confusion about Nick's remark regarding Bill Strahan's other plane, his Grumman.
Nick's reply and my response of "Ouch" was more of an inside joke between Bill, Nick and myself. Bill, being the busy business man that he is, took a little longer than normal to get his hours flown off and then fly his plane home. I'm being generous with the term "a little longer". When he came to Shelbyville several months ago to retrieve his Lightning he flew over from Texas in his Grumman. Bill is an extraordinary person but he hasn't mastered the art of flying two planes at once. At least not yet. So, he left his little yellow Grumman here. Between Bill's schedule, the fierce TN snows, and the locust cycle it's been tough for Bill to get back to here. We periodically send Bill pictures of his wayward Grumman just so he knows it's in good hands. We're confident that the Grumman will eventually make it's way back to Texas and Bill's airplane family will again be whole.
And now you have the rest of the story!
All in fun!
Mark
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Lightning Construction Manual |
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Man! Where IS the love? Sheesh!
I have two partners in the Grumman. You know when you have a perfect partner in an airplane? When they call after the plane has been sitting a few states away for several months and say "Hey, did you ever get the Grumman?"
When you tell them you haven't they say "Well, let's go get it soon. I might want to do some flying."
Part of my delay this time was my business partner and I had a big push to finish our moving map software and started shipping units! Oh yeah!
Now that that's done, I guess I don't have a good excuse. But if someone would just accidentally drive a truck into that thing I could collect insurance and not have to fly it back. Fingers crossed.
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