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bill(at)yakrobatics.com
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 Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:52 am Post subject: CJ down in AZ? |
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Hey guys, just saw on the news a CJ on the ground in AZ making a bathroom stop. Reports are that all on board are ok, but the bird needs more than toilet paper to clean up! Any word on what happened?
Bill Mills
Blue Sky Yakrobatics, Inc
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:06 am Post subject: CJ down in AZ? |
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My siser-in-law called me last night and mentioned the crash, you can go to: ABC15.com and get the story/photo.
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david(at)mcgirt.net
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: CJ down in AZ? |
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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/02/07/20100207planecrash0208.html
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http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/mesa/story/Small-plane-hits-restroom-after-emergency-landing/_NMuNh70Ok-X-4XCVmd0-Q.cspx
all I have seen..
David
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Hey guys, just saw on the news a CJ on the ground in AZ making a bathroom stop. Reports are that all on board are ok, but the bird needs more than toilet paper to clean up! Any word on what happened?
Bill Mills
Blue Sky Yakrobatics, Inc
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xyz234(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: CJ down in AZ? |
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Here's another good link. Glad they're okay!
At the risk of a little levity about someone's really bad day, I'd say It appears our Nanchangs aren't actually built like brick s**thouses...the s**thouse won!
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/150387
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:44 am Post subject: CJ down in AZ? |
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Guys,
The CJ experienced engine roughness followed by a loud noise and then sudden engine shutdown on an extended downwind over a residential area into FFZ. The pilot was unharmed. On impact, the top harness bolt of the aft cockpit pulled through and the passenger hit his head on the glare shield, but is otherwise OK. 9.5 on the G-meter. Had to make changes at the last minute in order to avoid hitting a man walking a dog. Would have otherwise been a normal landing. Ended up impacting a small cinderblock building in a park with the airplane totaled. The pilot is ex-military and a flight instructor for airline trainees. Very accomplished guy. Handled a difficult situation with very few options in a masterful way.
Warren Hill
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Mesa, AZ
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| Quote: | Hey guys, just saw on the news a CJ on the ground in AZ making a bathroom stop. Reports are that all on board are ok, but the bird needs more than toilet paper to clean up! Any word on what happened?
Bill Mills
Blue Sky Yakrobatics, Inc
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:48 am Post subject: CJ down in AZ? |
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Pilot and Copilot are doing well. Andress, owner of #21 did a great job for the obstacles he had to work with: altitude, hills, ditches, lake, people... The plane held up like a tank with the fire wall coming back about 3 inches into the cockpit. (pretty good for a head on of about 30+ kts. The engine and the truss absorbed a lot of the impact. Unfortunately the airframe was beyond repair.
It was noted that the original seat belt attach points using Hooker harnesses pulled out of the back seat and started to pull out from the front seat. Causing the copilot to hit his head on the aft panel brow. I would advise if you have a CJ and are using the original attach points, you might want to beef this area up in the near future.
From talking to Andress, it sounds like the engine blew a rod during straight and level flight. I will wait for the NTSB's results for final determination. Again, great piloting and a great airframe. We hope to get them in the air again soon..
Larry Pine
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:54 am Post subject: CJ down in AZ? |
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Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 10:25 AM
Pilot and Copilot are doing well. Andress, owner of #21 did a great job for the obstacles he had to work with: altitude, hills, ditches, lake, people... The plane held up like a tank with the fire wall coming back about 3 inches into the cockpit. (pretty good for a head on of about 30+ kts. The engine and the truss absorbed a lot of the impact. Unfortunately the airframe was beyond repair.
It was noted that the original seat belt attach points using Hooker harnesses pulled out of the back seat and started to pull out from the front seat. Causing the copilot to hit his head on the aft panel brow. I would advise if you have a CJ and are using the original attach points, you might want to beef this area up in the near future.
From talking to Andress, it sounds like the engine blew a rod during straight and level flight. I will wait for the NTSB's results for final determination. Again, great piloting and a great airframe. We hope to get them in the air again soon..
Larry Pine
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:13 pm Post subject: CJ down in AZ? |
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Guys,
I have never liked the harness attach points on the CJ, can see how they could easily pull through ESPECIALLY if non standard hardware was used.
I'm looking into a mod to beef up the rear seat harness attach point. Should have something to report back in a week or so.
Doug
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| Quote: | Pilot and Copilot are doing well. Andress, owner of #21 did a great job for the obstacles he had to work with: altitude, hills, ditches, lake, people... The plane held up like a tank with the fire wall coming back about 3 inches into the cockpit. (pretty good for a head on of about 30+ kts. The engine and the truss absorbed a lot of the impact. Unfortunately the airframe was beyond repair.
It was noted that the original seat belt attach points using Hooker harnesses pulled out of the back seat and started to pull out from the front seat. Causing the copilot to hit his head on the aft panel brow. I would advise if you have a CJ and are using the original attach points, you might want to beef this area up in the near future.
From talking to Andress, it sounds like the engine blew a rod during straight and level flight. I will wait for the NTSB's results for final determination. Again, great piloting and a great airframe. We hope to get them in the air again soon..
Larry Pine
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wlannon(at)persona.ca
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:04 pm Post subject: CJ down in AZ? |
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Glad to hear that everyone, including the dog, escaped without serious injury.
The 9.5 reading on the "G" meter would probably indicate a load on the shoulder harness of 20+ "G's" since the "G" meter is positioned for essentially vertical loads.
Doug; - I too am not happy with the shoulder harness attachment in the CJ - front and back! and have already taken some action to correct this in my project.
Walt
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