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sawad13(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

bill28104(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

Steve Glasgow

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 674

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:31 am Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

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Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG

Ed Anderson

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

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Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com

jclarkmail(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

sawad13(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed



Steve, Where is twin lakes?

And please explain what you mean about working on the plane without being

the builder and not being a A&P. It is my understanding that Anyone can work

on a experimental airplane. They do not have to be the builder, or a A&P, or

the pilot, or the owner, etc...

. The only exceptions to that is for the Condition inspection once a year

which would have to be done by a A&P or the builder if he still holds the

repairmans certificate, And if any Major alterations were done, again it

would need to be signed off by one of those two.

Am I wrong on this?

Ron Awad

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		  From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>

Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:31:02 -0500

<willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>

If you are going to fly under the Mode C Vail (Goose Creek is under it) you

need to have as a minimum a VFR transponder check every two years. I just

had mine done at Twin Lakes Avionics for $75.

Working on experimental aircraft that were not built by oneself can be a

problematic unless you are an A&P.

Cappy

sawad13(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

sawad13(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

Steve Glasgow

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Posts: 674

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:26 am Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

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Steve Glasgow-Cappy
Cappy's Toy
RV-8 N123SG

WVSWIFT(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed



Ron:

The answer to your question about who can work on an experimental, anyone

can>>>>>with exception to the condition inspection that is required each year.

FAR Part 43 does not apply to an experimental home built. (with one

exception)

The operating limitations , which is a part of the Special Airworthiness

Certificate, (should be attached to it) outlines how and when the required

inspection is to be accomplished and by whom and how the inspection is signed off.

Both should be in the aircraft at all times with the registration card.

I have recently seen an experimental aircraft logbook that was signed by the

words "annual , no issues". Well, that does NOT meet the rule in the

operating limitations issued to an experimental. These "annuals" were from 1993,

(there is no annual for an experimental, only a condition inspection every

year.) No legal inspection during all those years! Nobody knows who did it.SO, it

was not a legal sign off for 12 years. Bet an insurance company would love to

see the operating limitations not adhered to, SO NO PAYOFF!

The limitations will state what shall be written after the inspection has

been completed and who can conduct a condition inspection.

A big misconception I see a lot is the operating limitations state how and

what must be inspected every year. That is FAR 43 appendix D.. This is the only

time FAR Part 43 applies to an experimental. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND everybody

review their respective operating limitations to see what is in there along

with FAR Part 43 appendix D. You might not be able to fly and conduct aerobatics

without the proper signoff in accordance with the statement in the operating

limitations. Best read it.

WVSWIFT(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed



PS:

On the major repair or alteration question, you can do it, just takes an A&P

or the repairman for that aircraft to sign off a condition inspection every

year.

The only thing to remember on major alterations are you will need to check

the operating limitations on what to do when that is done. The newer operating

limitations now allow you to put the aircraft into a test period yourself and

then sign off the flight test yourself. The old operating limitations

required you to contact the FAA Flight Standards District Office prior to flying

the aircraft and they will put a test period and area restriction on the

aircraft. This change only happened about a year or so ago.

Eddie

sawad13(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

Thanks Eddie. That makes it pretty darn clear!!!



I will try to come by your place at York this weekend



Ron Awad



 	  Quote: 	
		  From: WVSWIFT(at)aol.com

Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:47:37 EST






Ron:

The answer to your question about who can work on an experimental, anyone

can>>>>>with exception to the condition inspection that is  required each 

year.

FAR Part 43 does not apply to an experimental home built. (with one

exception)

The operating limitations , which is a part of the Special Airworthiness

Certificate, (should be attached to it) outlines how and when the required

inspection is to be accomplished and by whom and how the inspection is 

signed  off.

Both should be in the aircraft at all times with the registration  card.

I have recently seen an experimental aircraft logbook that was signed  by 

the

words "annual , no issues". Well, that does NOT meet the rule in the

operating limitations issued to an experimental. These "annuals" were from  

1993,

(there is no annual for an experimental, only a condition inspection every

year.) No legal inspection during all those years! Nobody knows who did  

it.SO, it

was not a legal sign off for 12 years. Bet an insurance company  would love 

to

see the operating limitations not adhered to, SO NO PAYOFF!

The limitations will state what shall be written after the  inspection has

been completed and who can conduct a condition  inspection.

A big misconception I see a lot is the operating limitations state how and

what must be inspected every year. That is FAR 43 appendix D.. This is the 

only

  time FAR Part 43 applies to an experimental. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND everybody

review  their respective operating limitations to see what is in there 

along

with FAR  Part 43 appendix D. You might not be able to fly and conduct 

aerobatics

  without the proper signoff in accordance with the statement in the 

operating

  limitations. Best read it.



Also, read FAR Part 91.413 for the use of the ATC transponder(VFR). It

doesn't state experimentals are exempt. All transponders that are used in  

airspace

must also be inspected every 24 calendar months. Please keep in mind,  FAR

Part 91.411 must also be complied with on all aircraft being used in  IFR

conditions.



Contact Jerry Boyce at Rock Hill about your cowl, he just finished his RV8

cowl.

He has a hanger facing the runway across the runway from the FBO. He also

might be able to help in the sheetmetal work for your friend. Also there 

are

others there that may help.



Please keep in mind about radio repair, only certified avionics shops can

return a TSO'd unit to service within tolerances that are now required.

Gary Wilson is NOT a certified repairman or shop. He cannot certify any

transponders or systems in an aircraft.

If you or any others need more info on this please give me a call at work  

or

email me at work. You know where I am.

Hope this helps

Eddie

_Edwin.G.Shields(at)FAA.GOV_ (mailto:Edwin.G.Shields(at)FAA.GOV)  (don't  forget

the dots between the name)

PS: Come on down for a visit at our strip in York, we always have drinks in

the fridge. May be gone this Saturday picking up another project but will 

be

home Sunday and Monday. Debbie and me are working very hard now  on my 

Swift.

We do have a complete sheetmetal shop here  too.








	


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sawad13(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:35 am Post subject: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

Thanks Eddie.

Ron Awad



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		  From: WVSWIFT(at)aol.com

Reply-To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

To: rvsoutheast-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Sheetmetal, and radio work needed

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:52:26 EST






PS:

On the major repair or alteration question, you can do it, just takes an  

A&P

or the repairman for that aircraft to sign off a condition inspection  

every

year.

The only thing to remember on major alterations are you will need to check

the operating limitations on what to do when that is done. The newer 

operating

limitations now allow you to put the aircraft into a test period yourself 

and

  then sign off the flight test yourself. The old operating limitations

required  you to contact the FAA Flight Standards District Office prior to 

flying

the  aircraft and they will put a test period and area restriction on the

aircraft.  This change only happened about a year or so ago.

Eddie

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