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edgraydallas

Joined: 13 Jun 2008
Posts: 74
Location: Dallas, Tx

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject: engines

KF builders, help me with some advice on engines.  I am building my second Fox, a model 4 1200.  I want about 100 horsepower to lift amphib floats.  Do not want to pay for Rotax 914 or Rotec 2800.  Don’t want the weight of Rotec or Jab 3300.  I have seen ads for the Verner VM 133 which looks like a sweet engine with really low gas consumption.  Also the UL 4 cylinder boxer made in Belgium (air cooled, fadec, injected) almost same cost of a 912 but looks like a better, simpler, more modern engine.  I also like what I have heard about the Raven 1300 setup for the 4 cyl Geo-Suzuki.  Anyone have any knowledge/comments on these engines.  Yeah, I know, I should get a loan and hang a Rotec on it and I would if didn’t have a wife!  

   

Ed Gray, Dallas mod2 582 flying and Mod 4 no fwf building  do not archive  

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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: engines

You might consider the BMW-1150 

  

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Dick Maddux

Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Posts: 516
Location: Milton, Fl

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: engines

Ed,

  I too am very impressed with the UL engine. I saw it at Sebring and Lakeland . It is a very nice design,light.modern and produces significant horsepower. I don't think there are that many in the US. Why don't you buy one, install it, and give us a report.

  

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Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: engines

Ed, I don't get it? When I got involved with airplanes my wife said, "Don't you think we should be a 2 income family to afford those airplanes?" I told her that her job already took alot of her time. I don't know how she could handle a part time job too. But if she wanted to try, go ahead. So she did. I couldn't handle it without her.

   

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 On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Ed Gray <egraylaw(at)swbell.net (egraylaw(at)swbell.net)> wrote:

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KF builders, help me with some advice on engines.  I am building my second Fox, a model 4 1200.  I want about 100 horsepower to lift amphib floats.  Do not want to pay for Rotax 914 or Rotec 2800.  Don’t want the weight of Rotec or Jab 3300.  I have seen ads for the Verner VM 133 which looks like a sweet engine with really low gas consumption.  Also the UL 4 cylinder boxer made in Belgium (air cooled, fadec, injected) almost same cost of a 912 but looks like a better, simpler, more modern engine.  I also like what I have heard about the Raven 1300 setup for the 4 cyl Geo-Suzuki.  Anyone have any knowledge/comments on these engines.  Yeah, I know, I should get a loan and hang a Rotec on it and I would if didn’t have a wife!  

  

Ed Gray, Dallas mod2 582 flying and Mod 4 no fwf building  do not archive

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: engines

Hi Ed,



Engine choice, tough decision. It reminds me of a recent conversation with a 

neighbor who is a project manager with Aerojet - yes, a real rocket 

scientist. The way he tells it, a customer gives a set of specifications - 

you have mentioned yours - and a design team is assigned to come up with 

something that will work. Then after this work is completed, they convene a 

large meeting with engineers not associated with the design and they have at 

it. Comments can become personal. "That's the stupidest thing I have ever 

seen, and you call yourself an engineer", to quote him as an often heard 

comment. The purpose of the meeting, of course is to discover weakness in 

the design before the expensive prototype is actually constructed. I suspect 

you have begun the show me what's wrong with my design stage.



I guess my only comment this time around would be why you have not put the 

Rotax 912ULS at 100 hp into the mix.



Lowell



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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 1382

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:46 am Post subject: engines

Well Said Lowell.



Rotax will be your number 1 choice for float flying.

Keep it light and under 800 lbs  on floats.  I have seen  IVs that weigh 

over 800 lbs on wheels which makes them a heavy pathetic performer.

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