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JHearnsberger

Joined: 22 Dec 2009
Posts: 31
Location: Springhill, LA

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: sealing trailing edge

Can I use any of these products or do I need to order something special? I am ready to seal up the rudder.

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:56 pm Post subject: sealing trailing edge

The pictures are of Permetex gasket products, used in engine assembly.  

They're not made to seal up the rudder.

What you need is called 'proseal' and is found here:  

http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1267916071-182-15&browse=misc&product=proseal.

Same stuff used for the fuel tanks.

Linn



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 Can I use any of these products or do I need to order something special?  I am ready to seal up the rudder.





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davidsoutpost(at)comcast.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:03 pm Post subject: sealing trailing edge

I would recommend that you buy a 3 oz kit of the Flame Master tank sealant from Vans for this.  It is what they recommend and it will give you some experience using it before you get to your tanks.  The sealant will hold the edge of the rudder straight as an arrow and I don't know if what you are looking at would work as well.  It is also used building the wings on the trailing edges of the aileron's and flaps.



David Clifford



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JHearnsberger

Joined: 22 Dec 2009
Posts: 31
Location: Springhill, LA

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: sealing trailing edge

OK, thanks.  I was hoping I would not have to wait before finishing up the rudder.  I wanted to take advantage of this beautiful Saturday while I can.

Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: sealing trailing edge

Get 2 or 3 of the 1 oz kits. One for rudder, one for trim tabs and one

for horizontal stab, if I recall correctly. You don't need more than 1

oz at a time until you get to fuel tanks.



On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:03 PM,  <davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net> wrote:

[quote] I would recommend that you buy a 3 oz kit of the Flame Master tank sealant

 from Vans for this.  It is what they recommend and it will give you some

 experience using it before you get to your tanks.  The sealant will hold the

 edge of the rudder straight as an arrow and I don't know if what you are

 looking at would work as well.  It is also used building the wings on the

 trailing edges of the aileron's and flaps.



 David Clifford



 RV-10 In Progress

 Empennage Done

 Engine Overhauled & Pickled

 Closing up The Wings



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Ron B.

Joined: 17 Feb 2009
Posts: 103
Location: Nova Scotia

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: sealing trailing edge

Get use to waiting for product, it's part of the build process. You will never know what you need until you need it. But it's all fun anyway>

Ron

Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: sealing trailing edge

You can probably get a pt of CS3204 B2 from Sacramento Sky Ranch

faster than from Vans, and less money.

http://tinyurl.com/yas9een

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Ron B. <cfxoa(at)klis.com> wrote:

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 Get use to waiting for product, it's part of the build process. You will never know what you need until you need it. But it's all fun anyway>

 Ron





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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 6:54 pm Post subject: sealing trailing edge

I didn't use anything to hold the rudder TE together while riveting. Instead, I clecoed every other hole down to a piece of heavy angle iron (to keep it perfectly straight) and back riveted between the clecos.  This formed a straight TE, then I could back rivet the holes that originally held clecos.

 

 Checking the TE with a straight edge shows less than a 1/16" deviation from perfectly straight. I'll bet its closer to 1/32".

 

 Phil

 

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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: sealing trailing edge

But what did you use for primer? )



On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com> wrote:

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		   I didn't use anything to hold the rudder TE together while riveting.

 Instead, I clecoed every other hole down to a piece of heavy angle iron (to

 keep it perfectly straight) and back riveted between the clecos.  This

 formed a straight TE, then I could back rivet the holes that originally held

 clecos.



 Checking the TE with a straight edge shows less than a 1/16" deviation from

 perfectly straight. I'll bet its closer to 1/32".



 Phil

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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:25 pm Post subject: sealing trailing edge

go to home depot or lowes and get PL-2000 works for this. It was really easy 

to use using a caulk gun and cost like $3.96. no need to wait for something 

like this.

AS far as the comments about the flamemaster (proseal) talk sealant, the 

stuff smells and is really sticky, use a ziplock or something else to 

squeeze it, I didn't< I used Q-tips and less than a can to do all the tanks. 

No leaks from using only what is needed. Practice is good advice but I might 

suggest doing it before doing the tanks not way before and along the way, 

although it can't hurt. Oh and if it gets on any of your clothes don't waste 

time trying to clean up with MEK  again really smelly and toxic to the skin. 

Another reason to avoid using tank sealant for anything but the tanks.

Best of success with the trailing edge- use a L bracket clecoed to keep it 

straight as an arrow. Check out the archives, everything I mentioned for 

doing the trainling edges  was covered by Les Kearney a couple of years ago.



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From: "JHearnsberger" <jakehearnsberger(at)gmail.com>

Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 3:32 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: sealing trailing edge



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 <jakehearnsberger(at)gmail.com>



 OK, thanks.  I was hoping I would not have to wait before finishing up the 

 rudder.  I wanted to take advantage of this beautiful Saturday while I 

 can.





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40950(at)rv10.net
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject: sealing trailing edge

Same as Phil, I did not use anything to hold the rudder TE. Rolled the edges with Cleaveland edge forming tool before and back riveted on flat iron. Came out straight.



On Mar 6, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Perry, Phil wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I didn't use anything to hold the rudder TE together while riveting. Instead, I clecoed every other hole down to a piece of heavy angle iron (to keep it perfectly straight) and back riveted between the clecos.  This formed a straight TE, then I could back rivet the holes that originally held clecos.

 

 Checking the TE with a straight edge shows less than a 1/16" deviation from perfectly straight. I'll bet its closer to 1/32".

 

 Phil

Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: sealing trailing edge

Hey Jake,



A search for "PL-2000" turned up nothing ... probably meant PL-200 ?



Party on.



Later, - Lew

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NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !

rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:49 am Post subject: sealing trailing edge

you have me to blame for that. Yes, I meant PL200 although I used a 

polyurethane adhesive 

http://www.stickwithpl.com/Products.aspx?ID=fef65cc9-47bf-4802-aaa9-a343f2ef9458 

and it worked great for all sorts of bonding.

Pascal



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From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>

Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:06 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: sealing trailing edge



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 Hey Jake,



 A search for "PL-2000" turned up nothing ... probably meant PL-200 ?



 Party on.



 Later, - Lew



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 non-pilot

 crazy about building

 NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549

 Avionics in, engine started!





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