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wdaniell(at)etb.net.co
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:56 am Post subject: Door hinges to fuselage

Dear all

 

 My  door hinges require a spacer of 3mm - presumably -  ply and -  presumably - glassed in on the fuselage (bottom hinge) in order to fit properly...my question was is this normal and if so where in the manual was the instruction to do this?

 

 Will

 

 

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rparigoris

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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject: Door hinges to fuselage

Hi Will"Is this normal and if so where in the manual  was the instruction to do this?"I think a lot of kits need spacers. It isn't in the manual for XS. You can have a look at my door build, I used some mixing sticks as a measuring gauge, then JB Welded in some G-10 spacers. One other thing not in mauual that worked out great for me is first thing making holes in fuse for shoot bolts, this way you can get precise registration during fitting (Thx. to Bud for that one).http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=29082Ron Parigoris   [quote][b]

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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:06 am Post subject: Door hinges to fuselage

Will,It's been a while but as I remember I used an aluminum spacer between the bottom hinge and the fuselage. So it would set right even with the fuselage I taped the spaces to the bottom hinge around the edges only. The applied a small amount of redux mixed with a bit of flox to the area on the fuselage where the spacer would rest. Make sure you have release tape anywhere the goo might touch. The idea was to use the mixture as a way see that the door & hinges would be flush when closed. You would want to trial fit everything with the spacer taped to the hinge first. If the door is proud of the fuselage top then remove some of the spacer with a grinder then re fit. If your door is low when fitted then you can add some more redux flox mixture. I remember having to sand just a small amount of the door top to come out exactly to the fuselage top but at least you know the hinges fit perfectly even this way. 

Hope this helps,



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 My  door hinges require a spacer of 3mm - presumably -  ply and -  presumably - glassed in on the fuselage (bottom hinge) in order to fit properly...my question was is this normal and if so where in the manual was the instruction to do this?

 

 Will

 

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:24 am Post subject: Door hinges to fuselage

thanks jeff

 

 JEFF ROBERTS wrote: [quote]Will,   It's been a while but as I remember I used an aluminum spacer between the bottom hinge and the fuselage. So it would set right even with the fuselage I taped the spaces to the bottom hinge around the edges only. The applied a small amount of redux mixed with a bit of flox to the area on the fuselage where the spacer would rest. Make sure you have release tape anywhere the goo might touch. The idea was to use the mixture as a way see that the door & hinges would be flush when closed. You would want to trial fit everything with the spacer taped to the hinge first. If the door is proud of the fuselage top then remove some of the spacer with a grinder then re fit. If your door is low when fitted then you can add some more redux flox mixture. I remember having to sand just a small amount of the door top to come out exactly to the fuselage top but at least you know the hinges fit perfectly even this way. 

   Hope this helps,

   

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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:24 am Post subject: Door hinges to fuselage

Thanks

 

 So shoot bolts first and then hinges?

 

 Will

 

 rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us (rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us) wrote: [quote]Hi Will

 "Is this normal and if so where in the manual  was the instruction to do this?"

 I think a lot of kits need spacers. It isn't in the manual for XS. You can have a look at my door build, I used some mixing sticks as a measuring gauge, then JB Welded in some G-10 spacers. One other thing not in mauual that worked out great for me is first thing making holes in fuse for shoot bolts, this way you can get precise registration during fitting (Thx. to Bud for that one).

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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: Door hinges to fuselage

Hi Will"So shoot bolts first and then hinges?"I didn't install shoot bolt guides, just made holes in fuse so shoot bolts can lock door in place. Yes shoot bolt holes before hinges allows easy registritration when fitting of door the gazillion times you need to take on and off. BTW using tape as a pattern allows you to trim door very close first shot. Pics on link I sent you.Ron Parigoris   [quote][b]

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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: Door hinges to fuselage

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   ThanksFunny how then don't mention in the manual the gazillion times that you have to do this and a gazillion other things WillFrom:  "rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us" <rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us> 

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Hi Will"So shoot bolts first and then hinges?"I didn't install shoot bolt guides, just made holes in fuse so shoot bolts can lock door in place. Yes shoot bolt holes before hinges allows easy registritration when fitting of door the gazillion times you need to take on and off. BTW using tape as a pattern allows you to trim door very close first shot. Pics on link I sent you.Ron Parigoris   [quote][b]

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:24 am Post subject: Door hinges to fuselage

thanks ron

 

 rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us (rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us) wrote: [quote]   

Hi Will

 "So shoot bolts first and then hinges?"

 I didn't install shoot bolt guides, just made holes in fuse so shoot bolts can lock door in place. Yes shoot bolt holes before hinges allows easy registritration when fitting of door the gazillion times you need to take on and off. BTW using tape as a pattern allows you to trim door very close first shot. Pics on link I sent you.

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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: Door hinges to fuselage

Will- 

  

I think most of us required shims under the hinges to set the door even with the fuselage top.  I find it easiest to use BID in the hinge rebate to get the spacing right.  By doing so, you get some additional "bang for your buck" in that the BID adds reinforcement to the hinge bed, as well as being able to closely control the thickness of the shim by the number of layers of BID applied.  I followed the same practice with my rudder hinges.  As far as the shot bolts, I found the procedure in the manual worked fine.  I installed the hinges first, then the bolts in the doors, then put a little paint on the end of the shot bolt, held the door closed, closed the latch to mark the door rebates on the fuselage, then drilled and filed the fuselage until the bushings were slightly free floating in the hole when the door was closed with the bolt inserted.  I then heavily greased the shot bolts, closed the door and REDUXed the bushings.  It worked just fine.  Getting the hinge rebates and the hinge tangs fit correctly was a real nuisance.  I must have had the doors on and off 50 times.  

  

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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:09 am Post subject: Door hinges to fuselage

For those who have not reached this point

 

 What I have ended up doing which might be of use to others is filling the rebate with flox covering with cling film and then putting the doors on fitted correctly.Â  this gives you a spacer of exactly the right size with - added bonus- bumps where the screw holes should go.Â  You then fit the door with one of the hinge screws missing and using the hole in the door tang and the hinge as a guide drill through the fuselage to get the fuze hinge bolt connected.Â  you have to use a countersunk csk screw instead of the recommended item.

 

 it seems a little easier than the rapid expoy procedure in the manual.

 

 Oh and yes as Jim and everyone else says the gazillion times on and off to ensure a decent fit before you drill anything

 

 will

 

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I think most of us required shims under the hinges to set the door even with the fuselage top.Â  I find it easiest to use BID in the hinge rebate to get the spacing right.Â  By doing so, you get some additional "bang for your buck" in that the BID adds reinforcement to the hinge bed, as well as being able to closely control the thickness of the shim by the number of layers of BID applied.Â  I followed the same practice with my rudder hinges.Â  As far as the shot bolts, I found the procedure in the manual worked fine.Â  I installed the hinges first, then the boltsÂ in the doors, then put a little paint on the end of the shot bolt, held the door closed, closed the latch to mark the door rebates on the fuselage, thenÂ drilled and filed the fuselage until the bushings were slightly free floating in the hole when the door was closed with the bolt inserted.Â  I then heavily greased the shot bolts, closed the door and REDUXed the bushings.Â  It worked just fine.Â  Getting the hinge rebatesÂ and the hinge tangs fit correctly was a real nuisance.Â  I must have had the doors on and off 50 times.Â    

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