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chuck(at)chuckdirect.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:54 am Post subject: Taxes

We're moving out of California.  Too many taxes/fees  

   

For those of you who live in NV, AZ, OR, Montana or NM what do you pay for:  

1. Sales tax percent (if any) for airplanes purchases   

2. Yearly fee/taxes for airplanes  

3. Annual real estate property tax for personal residence and/or hanger  

   

Thanks,  

Chuck  

Do not archive  

   

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rv8iator

Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 145
Location: Newberg, OR

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:05 am Post subject: Taxes

Hello Chuck...



We left 15 years ago.  Never looked back.



Oregon

No sales tax

No A/C tax

A/C and pilot registration fee:  $30/yr

Real property tax depends on county.  Typ is 1.25-1.75% of assessed value of land+improvements.

No personal property tax.



Chris Stone

RV-8

Oregon



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C. Stone (RV8iator)

dean.psiropoulos(at)veriz
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:03 am Post subject: Taxes

I also lived in Oregon Chuck:



All that Chris says is correct however, he leaves out the most important

thing that you need to consider.  Oregon has one of the most OUTRAGEOUS

STATE INCOME TAXES in the country, 9% of every dollar you earn!!! NINE

PERCENT!!  Unless you are retired or have your own business, prepare to get

raped by the state.  I've lived all over the country and the only place else

I've lived that comes close is Delaware at 7%.  Most states that have income

taxes average around 3%.  I now live in Florida which has 6% SALES tax but

NO state income tax.  If you want warm weather year around but no rip offs

from the big nanny states consider coming to the southeast. No mountains but

otherwise nice people and low cost of living.



Everyone who contemplates moving for a job should check on the income tax

from the state where you plan to move.  One can avoid most sales taxes if

you don't buy big ticket items like cars but, if you work for someone other

than yourself, there is NO WAY to avoid state income taxes.  In Oregon

that's nearly 10 cents out of every dollar that goes to the politicians to

buy votes, absolutely a rip off.



Also Oregon has very restrictive land use and environmental laws.  The

consequence of that is artificially higher housing prices and government

confiscation of property when deemed necessary for conservation.  Chris may

not have heard of this but when I was there I heard of folks (with creeks

running through their property) that had some of their land confiscated for

the sake of preserving the creek!! If you want more of the same liberal

politics that you have in CA then Oregon is the place for you, lots of

bleeding heart politicians who want your land and money. The year after I

left they enacted a 2% sur-charge on TOP of the income tax (that 11% total)

for a few years to quash the budget deficit there.  I was glad to leave and

will never reside there again.  I will be back to visit, in summer when the

sun is out, temps are moderate and the mountains are majestic.  But I'd

choose Idaho or Utah if I absolutely HAVE to live in the mountains.



Dean Psiropoulos

RV-6A N197DM

Flying, but finishing up some extraneous items



   



--------------Original Message 2--------------

From: Chris Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: Taxes

Hello Chuck...



We left 15 years ago.  Never looked back.  Oregon No sales tax No A/C tax

A/C and pilot registration fee:  $30/yr. Real property tax depends on

county.  Typ is 1.25-1.75% of assessed value of land+improvements. No

personal property tax.



Chris Stone

RV-8

Oregon



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thilo.kind(at)gmx.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:59 am Post subject: Taxes

Hi Dean,



I had quite a laugh reading your e-mail. I currently live in Europe (second home is Coventy, GA). More than half of my salary goes to income tax, health care and retirement fund (which will give me only a few hundred Euros per month, when I retire with 67). Sales tax is 19 %. You don't want to know about fuel including Avgas. Restricted land use?  A piece of land here is more than land plus house in the US... Oregon sounds like paradies...



I guess, it's all a matter of perspective.



Cheers



Thilo

-------- Original-Nachricht --------

 	  Quote: 	
		   Datum: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:04:44 -0400

 Von: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>

 An: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Betreff: Taxes


	


[quote] 

 <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net>

 

 

 I also lived in Oregon Chuck:

 

 All that Chris says is correct however, he leaves out the most important

 thing that you need to consider.  Oregon has one of the most OUTRAGEOUS

 STATE INCOME TAXES in the country, 9% of every dollar you earn!!! NINE

 PERCENT!!  Unless you are retired or have your own business, prepare to

 get

 raped by the state.  I've lived all over the country and the only place

 else

 I've lived that comes close is Delaware at 7%.  Most states that have

 income

 taxes average around 3%.  I now live in Florida which has 6% SALES tax but

 NO state income tax.  If you want warm weather year around but no rip offs

 from the big nanny states consider coming to the southeast. No mountains

 but

 otherwise nice people and low cost of living.

 

 Everyone who contemplates moving for a job should check on the income tax

 from the state where you plan to move.  One can avoid most sales taxes if

 you don't buy big ticket items like cars but, if you work for someone

 other

 than yourself, there is NO WAY to avoid state income taxes.  In Oregon

 that's nearly 10 cents out of every dollar that goes to the politicians to

 buy votes, absolutely a rip off.

 

 Also Oregon has very restrictive land use and environmental laws.  The

 consequence of that is artificially higher housing prices and government

 confiscation of property when deemed necessary for conservation.  Chris

 may

 not have heard of this but when I was there I heard of folks (with creeks

 running through their property) that had some of their land confiscated

 for

 the sake of preserving the creek!! If you want more of the same liberal

 politics that you have in CA then Oregon is the place for you, lots of

 bleeding heart politicians who want your land and money. The year after I

 left they enacted a 2% sur-charge on TOP of the income tax (that 11%

 total)

 for a few years to quash the budget deficit there.  I was glad to leave

 and

 will never reside there again.  I will be back to visit, in summer when

 the

 sun is out, temps are moderate and the mountains are majestic.  But I'd

 choose Idaho or Utah if I absolutely HAVE to live in the mountains.

 

 Dean Psiropoulos

 RV-6A N197DM

 Flying, but finishing up some extraneous items

 

    

 

 --------------Original Message 2--------------

 From: Chris Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net>

 Subject: Re: Taxes

 

 

 Hello Chuck...

 

 We left 15 years ago.  Never looked back.  Oregon No sales tax No A/C tax

 A/C and pilot registration fee:  $30/yr. Real property tax depends on

 county.  Typ is 1.25-1.75% of assessed value of land+improvements. No

 personal property tax.

 

 Chris Stone

 RV-8

 Oregon

 

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timb

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 77
Location: Frankston, Texas

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:34 am Post subject: Taxes

It really is just a matter of comparison between States in the US.  I sure

don't envy your situation where you are in Europe.



I lived in Oregon for 30 years and to be honest I loved it for most of that

time.  I still miss the mountain views but not the cold weather.  When the

economy slows down you don't worry about income tax because you don't make

any money anyway.  The property taxes will kill you under that circumstance.

The break from sales tax is nice but if you decide to build anything prepare

for building permits, SDC's, and other add on cost to be a whopping multi

10's of thousands of dollars.  If you want to live on an airpark too bad

because Oregon is not friendly about that and it is nearly impossible to

build one.



So we moved to Texas.  Airparks are everywhere.  Now the cost of insurance

is killing us as most of our insurance has doubled in cost.  The cost to

heat our house went down dramatically but the cost to cool it went up

dramatically.  There is no winning situation, you just pick what you like

and what you want.  One upside to Texas was I know live in a state where I

vote with the majority.  While I lived in Oregon it was a primarily

Republican area but the only parts of the state where it was Democrat had

all the population.  Voting was a waste of time since it never went how I

would vote.



Bottom line is there is no real point in this discussion because no matter

where you go if you are inclined to be unhappy it won't change.  Just the

issues of what makes you unhappy change.  Pick your best bet and then when

you are no longer happy, move again.



I love flying my RV and I wish I was doing that now.  In fact everyone take

the day off and go fly and then report back on how nice that was. 

We still live in the greatest country and are able to still fly for a little

while longer.  See ya

Tim

Do Not Archive!

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Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB

rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:53 am Post subject: Taxes

So what is the most tax/avaition friendly states?

 

Scott 

RV-8a

 



 

   From: Thilo Kind <thilo.kind(at)gmx.net>

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 5:58:02 AM

Subject: Re: Taxes



--> RV-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind(at)gmx.net (thilo.kind(at)gmx.net)>



Hi Dean,



I had quite a laugh reading your e-mail. I currently live in Europe (second home is Coventy, GA). More than half of my salary goes to income tax, health care and retirement fund (which will give me only a few hundred Euros per month, when I retire with 67). Sales tax is 19 %. You don't want to know about fuel including Avgas. Restricted land use?  A piece of land here is more than land plus house in the US... Oregon  sounds like paradies...



I guess, it's all a matter of perspective.



Cheers



Thilo

-------- Original-Nachricht --------

 	  Quote: 	
		   Datum: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:04:44 -0400

 Von: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net (dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net)>

 An: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)

 Betreff: Taxes


	


[quote] --> RV-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS"

 <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net (dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net)>

 

 

 I also lived in Oregon Chuck:

 

 All that Chris says is correct however, he leaves out the most important

 thing that you need to consider.  Oregon has one of the most OUTRAGEOUS

 STATE INCOME TAXES in  the country, 9% of every dollar you earn!!! NINE

 PERCENT!!  Unless you are retired or have your own business, prepare to

 get

 raped by the state.  I've lived all over the country and the only place

 else

 I've lived that comes close is Delaware at 7%.  Most states that have

 income

 taxes average around 3%.  I now live in Florida which has 6% SALES tax but

 NO state income tax.  If you want warm weather year around but no rip offs

 from the big nanny states consider coming to the southeast. No mountains

 but

 otherwise nice people and low cost of living.

 

 Everyone who contemplates moving for a job should check on the income tax

 from the state where you plan to move.  One can avoid most sales taxes if

 you don't buy big ticket items like cars but, if you work for someone

 other

 than yourself, there is  NO WAY to avoid state income taxes.  In Oregon

 that's nearly 10 cents out of every dollar that goes to the politicians to

 buy votes, absolutely a rip off.

 

 Also Oregon has very restrictive land use and environmental laws.  The

 consequence of that is artificially higher housing prices and government

 confiscation of property when deemed necessary for conservation.  Chris

 may

 not have heard of this but when I was there I heard of folks (with creeks

 running through their property) that had some of their land confiscated

 for

 the sake of preserving the creek!! If you want more of the same liberal

 politics that you have in CA then Oregon is the place for you, lots of

 bleeding heart politicians who want your land and money. The year after I

 left they enacted a 2% sur-charge on TOP of the income tax (that 11%

 total)

 for a  few years to quash the budget deficit there.  I was glad to leave

 and

 will never reside there again.  I will be back to visit, in summer when

 the

 sun is out, temps are moderate and the mountains are majestic.  But I'd

 choose Idaho or Utah if I absolutely HAVE to live in the mountains.

 

 Dean Psiropoulos

 RV-6A N197DM

 Flying, but finishing up some extraneous items

 

    

 

 --------------Original Message 2--------------

 From: Chris Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net (rv8iator(at)earthlink.net)>

 Subject: Re: Taxes

 

 

 Hello Chuck...

 

 We left 15 years ago.  Never looked back.  Oregon No sales tax No A/C tax

 A/C and pilot registration fee:  $30/yr. Real property tax depends on

  county.  Typ is 1.25-1.75% of assessed value of land+improvements. No

 personal property tax.

 

 Chris Stone

 RV-8

 Oregon

 

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d-burton(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:52 am Post subject: Taxes

It will make a huge difference what your personal situation is.  Are you working?  Do you have substantial investments?  Income? Own a home?  A business?



We all pay on average about 42% of our income in taxes each year.  (Not income taxes.  All taxes in total).  Everybody in developed countries does.  This comes as a big surprise to most people. 



You can look at your personal situation and find the best way to maximize your income and minimize your tax obligation.  Just be careful that you don't figure out how to pay a tiny amount of tax at the expense of earning a tiny amount of money.  What is important at the end of the day is what remains in your pocket...  



This article was written for retirees but can give you some things to think about and resources to do some additional research on different states:



http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/retirementandwills/p45875.asp



The other problem is that things don't stay the same forever.  My state (Washington) which has the same budget problems most other states do at the moment has looked and the "wealthy" airplane owners who are not paying their "fair share" of taxes and is proposing to add a huge use tax to aircraft this year.  



Florida (where I have lived twice) is great and I'm considering living there again at least part time has incredibly low taxes.  Unfortunately since taxes have been chopped to unsustainable levels, and there is not adequate revenue to support what little government services there are there, at some point in the near future things are likely to change dramatically for the worse.   



I think finding a place friendly to aviation with good flying weather may drive the decision. 



DavidB

RV6

chuck(at)chuckdirect.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: Taxes

David,  

Thanks so much for your words of wisdom.  How right you are about not reducing ones income to avoid taxes.  I am recently retired but have numerous modest investments (stocks, real estate, and two airplanes).  I received some correspondence from a developer/pilot in Tennessee.  TN is 49th in state taxes with Alaska (petroleum rich) being 50th.  That is good.    

   

My wife and I spent some time in TN two years ago and loved it there.  Don’t know what it would be like to live there though.  Well, we don’t have to make a decision immediately, so will continue to gather more info.    

   

Again thanks for you words of wisdom.  They’re greatly appreciated,  

Chuck  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of d-burton(at)comcast.net

 Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:43 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Taxes  

  

     

It will make a huge difference what your personal situation is.  Are you working?  Do you have substantial investments?  Income? Own a home?  A business?

 

 We all pay on average about 42% of our income in taxes each year.  (Not income taxes.  All taxes in total).  Everybody in developed countries does.  This comes as a big surprise to most people. 

 

 You can look at your personal situation and find the best way to maximize your income and minimize your tax obligation.  Just be careful that you don't figure out how to pay a tiny amount of tax at the expense of earning a tiny amount of money.  What is important at the end of the day is what remains in your pocket...  

 

 This article was written for retirees but can give you some things to think about and resources to do some additional research on different states:

 

 http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/retirementandwills/p45875.asp

 

 The other problem is that things don't stay the same forever.  My state (Washington) which has the same budget problems most other states do at the moment has looked and the "wealthy" airplane owners who are not paying their "fair share" of taxes and is proposing to add a huge use tax to aircraft this year.  

 

 Florida (where I have lived twice) is great and I'm considering living there again at least part time has incredibly low taxes.  Unfortunately since taxes have been chopped to unsustainable levels, and there is not adequate revenue to support what little government services there are there, at some point in the near future things are likely to change dramatically for the worse.   

 

 I think finding a place friendly to aviation with good flying weather may drive the decision. 

 

 DavidB

 RV6  

  

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chuck(at)chuckdirect.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject: Taxes

Whew, thanks a ton for the info Dean.  Very informative!

Chuck

Do not archive



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rveighta(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject: Taxes

Chuck, I forwarded your first message to the developer of my airpark, Ted Hensley. Good to hear he responded to you. Like you 

I'm retired (DuPont), and have lived in about a dozen states plus five foreign countries. And I like Tennessee the best. Why? 

Because it's has the lowest cost of living of any place I've been, the eastern part where I live has spectacular mountain views (5,000' 

peaks 4 miles from the runway), the people are friendly and we have a wide diversity of pilots here at the airpark.  

  

Most pilots are retired, but one is a medivac helo pilot and another flies for Delta. We have a stearman, two J-3's and several RV's (7A,  

7, 9A and the tail section of an RV-12 which I'm building). Most of the pilots are from other states - Florida, Mississippi, Virginia,  

New Jersey, Texas and one from California.  

  

Check out our website and see what you think. If I can be of any help, give me a shout...... 

  

Walt Shipley (423) 257-6566 



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JohnInReno

Joined: 08 Sep 2007
Posts: 150

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: Taxes

I think this is an interesting thread.

 

 Walt, I can't seem to find any pointers to the park that you are talking about. Can you repost the website and or airport identifier?

 

 john

 

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Chuck, I forwarded your first message to the developer of my airpark, Ted Hensley. Good to hear he responded to you. Like you   

I'm retired (DuPont), and have lived in about a dozen states plus five foreign countries. And I like Tennessee the best. Why?   

Because it's has the lowest cost of living of any place I've been, the eastern part where I live has spectacular mountain views (5,000'   

peaks 4 miles from the runway), the people are friendly and we have a wide diversity of pilots here at the airpark.    

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Most pilots are retired, but one is a medivac helo pilot and another flies for Delta. We have a stearman, two J-3's and several RV's (7A,    

7, 9A and the tail section of an RV-12 which I'm building). Most of the pilots are from other states - Florida, Mississippi, Virginia,    

New Jersey, Texas and one from California.    

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Check out our website and see what you think. If I can be of any help, give me a shout......   

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Walt Shipley (423) 257-6566   

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RV-9A - Born on July 3, 2013
RV4 - for sale

Bret Smith

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 178
Location: Mineral Bluff, GA

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: Taxes

Chuck,  

   

I live in GA near the TN/NC border and keep my plane at Copperhill, TN (1A3).  Beautiful country and close to both Chattanooga and Atlanta.  Lots of Florida retirees here with hiking, camping and fly fishing streams everywhere.  We have an active EAA Chapter nearby (www.eaa1211.org).  Why not visit and stay with us to get a feel for the area.  

   

   

Bret Smith  

RV-9A N16BL  

Blue Ridge, GA  

www.FlightInnovations.com  

   

   

       

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Weyant

 Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:52 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Taxes  

  

  

   

David,  

Thanks so much for your words of wisdom.  How right you are about not reducing ones income to avoid taxes.  I am recently retired but have numerous modest investments (stocks, real estate, and two airplanes).  I received some correspondence from a developer/pilot in Tennessee.  TN is 49th in state taxes with Alaska (petroleum rich) being 50th.  That is good.    

   

My wife and I spent some time in TN two years ago and loved it there.  Don’t know what it would be like to live there though.  Well, we don’t have to make a decision immediately, so will continue to gather more info.    

   

Again thanks for you words of wisdom.  They’re greatly appreciated,  

Chuck  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of d-burton(at)comcast.net

 Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:43 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Taxes  

  

     

It will make a huge difference what your personal situation is.  Are you working?  Do you have substantial investments?  Income? Own a home?  A business?

 

 We all pay on average about 42% of our income in taxes each year.  (Not income taxes.  All taxes in total).  Everybody in developed countries does.  This comes as a big surprise to most people. 

 

 You can look at your personal situation and find the best way to maximize your income and minimize your tax obligation.  Just be careful that you don't figure out how to pay a tiny amount of tax at the expense of earning a tiny amount of money.  What is important at the end of the day is what remains in your pocket...  

 

 This article was written for retirees but can give you some things to think about and resources to do some additional research on different states:

 

 http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/retirementandwills/p45875.asp

 

 The other problem is that things don't stay the same forever.  My state (Washington) which has the same budget problems most other states do at the moment has looked and the "wealthy" airplane owners who are not paying their "fair share" of taxes and is proposing to add a huge use tax to aircraft this year.  

 

 Florida (where I have lived twice) is great and I'm considering living there again at least part time has incredibly low taxes.  Unfortunately since taxes have been chopped to unsustainable levels, and there is not adequate revenue to support what little government services there are there, at some point in the near future things are likely to change dramatically for the worse.   

 

 I think finding a place friendly to aviation with good flying weather may drive the decision. 

 

 DavidB

 RV6  

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chuck(at)chuckdirect.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: Taxes

Wooee.  Thanks for the invite.  Who knows, just might do that.  How’s taxes, etc., in GA?  

Chuck  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith

 Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:16 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Taxes  

  

   

Chuck,  

   

I live in GA near the TN/NC border and keep my plane at Copperhill, TN (1A3).  Beautiful country and close to both Chattanooga and Atlanta.  Lots of Florida retirees here with hiking, camping and fly fishing streams everywhere.  We have an active EAA Chapter nearby (www.eaa1211.org).  Why not visit and stay with us to get a feel for the area.  

   

   

Bret Smith  

RV-9A N16BL  

Blue Ridge, GA  

www.FlightInnovations.com  

   

   

       

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Weyant

 Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:52 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Taxes  

  

  

   

David,  

Thanks so much for your words of wisdom.  How right you are about not reducing ones income to avoid taxes.  I am recently retired but have numerous modest investments (stocks, real estate, and two airplanes).  I received some correspondence from a developer/pilot in Tennessee.  TN is 49th in state taxes with Alaska (petroleum rich) being 50th.  That is good.    

   

My wife and I spent some time in TN two years ago and loved it there.  Don’t know what it would be like to live there though.  Well, we don’t have to make a decision immediately, so will continue to gather more info.    

   

Again thanks for you words of wisdom.  They’re greatly appreciated,  

Chuck  

         

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of d-burton(at)comcast.net

 Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:43 AM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Taxes  

  

     

It will make a huge difference what your personal situation is.  Are you working?  Do you have substantial investments?  Income? Own a home?  A business?

 

 We all pay on average about 42% of our income in taxes each year.  (Not income taxes.  All taxes in total).  Everybody in developed countries does.  This comes as a big surprise to most people. 

 

 You can look at your personal situation and find the best way to maximize your income and minimize your tax obligation.  Just be careful that you don't figure out how to pay a tiny amount of tax at the expense of earning a tiny amount of money.  What is important at the end of the day is what remains in your pocket...  

 

 This article was written for retirees but can give you some things to think about and resources to do some additional research on different states:

 

 http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/retirementandwills/p45875.asp

 

 The other problem is that things don't stay the same forever.  My state (Washington) which has the same budget problems most other states do at the moment has looked and the "wealthy" airplane owners who are not paying their "fair share" of taxes and is proposing to add a huge use tax to aircraft this year.  

 

 Florida (where I have lived twice) is great and I'm considering living there again at least part time has incredibly low taxes.  Unfortunately since taxes have been chopped to unsustainable levels, and there is not adequate revenue to support what little government services there are there, at some point in the near future things are likely to change dramatically for the worse.   

 

 I think finding a place friendly to aviation with good flying weather may drive the decision. 

 

 DavidB

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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:24 pm Post subject: Taxes

How is the humidity in that area? I can handle moderately cold winters with light snow or humid summers but not both!

 

Scott

RV-8a





From: Bret Smith <smithhb(at)tds.net>

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 6:16:24 PM

Subject: RE: Taxes



                 

Chuck,   

     

I live in GA near the TN/NC border and keep my plane at Copperhill, TN (1A3).  Beautiful country and close to both Chattanooga and Atlanta.  Lots of Florida retirees here with hiking, camping and fly fishing streams everywhere.  We have an active EAA Chapter nearby (www.eaa1211.org).  Why not visit and stay with us to get a feel for the area.   

     

     

Bret Smith   

RV-9A N16BL   

Blue Ridge, GA   

www.FlightInnovations.com   

     

     

         

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Weyant

 Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:52 PM

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Taxes   

  

  

     

David,   

Thanks so much for your words of wisdom.  How right you are about not reducing ones income to avoid taxes.  I am recently retired but have numerous modest investments (stocks, real estate, and two airplanes).  I received some correspondence from a developer/pilot in Tennessee.  TN is 49th in state taxes with Alaska (petroleum rich) being 50th.  That is good.     

     

My wife and I spent some time in TN two years ago and loved it there.  Donâ€™t know what it would be like to live there though.  Well, we donâ€™t have to make a decision immediately, so will continue to gather more info.     

     

Again thanks for you words of wisdom.  Theyâ€™re greatly appreciated,   

Chuck   

           

  

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of d-burton(at)comcast.net

 Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:43 AM

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It will make a huge difference what your personal situation is.  Are you working?  Do you have substantial investments?  Income? Own a home?  A business?

 

 We all pay on average about 42% of our income in taxes each year.  (Not income taxes.  All taxes in total).  Everybody in developed countries does.  This comes as a big surprise to most people. 

 

 You can look at your personal situation and find the best way to maximize your income and minimize your tax obligation.  Just be careful that you don't figure out how to pay a tiny amount of tax at the expense of earning a tiny amount of money.  What is important at the end of the day is what remains in your pocket...  

 

 This article was written for retirees but can give you some things to think about and resources to do some additional research on different states:

 

 http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/retirementandwills/p45875.asp

 

 The other problem is that things don't stay the same forever.  My state (Washington) which has the same budget problems most other states do at the moment has looked and the "wealthy" airplane owners who are not paying their "fair share" of taxes and is proposing to add a huge use tax to aircraft this year.  

 

 Florida (where I have lived twice) is great and I'm considering living there again at least part time has incredibly low taxes.  Unfortunately since taxes have been chopped to unsustainable levels, and there is not adequate revenue to support what little government services there are there, at some point in the near future things are likely to change dramatically for the worse.   

 

 I think finding a place friendly to aviation with good flying weather may drive the decision. 

 

 DavidB

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N38CW

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 57
Location: Winston-Salem, NC

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Taxes

I believe Walt resides here...



http://www.hensleyairpark.com/index.html

[quote="JohnInReno"]I think this is an interesting thread.

 

 Walt, I can't seem to find any pointers to the park that you are talking about. Can you repost the website and or airport identifier?

 

 john

 

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Chuck, I forwarded your first message to the developer of my airpark, Ted Hensley. Good to hear he responded to you. Like you   

I'm retired (DuPont), and have lived in about a dozen states plus five foreign countries. And I like Tennessee the best. Why?   

Because it's has the lowest cost of living of any place I've been, the eastern part where I live has spectacular mountain views (5,000'   

peaks 4 miles from the runway), the people are friendly and we have a wide diversity of pilots here at the airpark.    

Â    

Most pilots are retired, but one is a medivac helo pilot and another flies for Delta. We have a stearman, two J-3's and several RV's (7A,    

7, 9A and the tail section of an RV-12 which I'm building). Most of the pilots are from other states - Florida, Mississippi, Virginia,    

New Jersey, Texas and one from California.    

Â    

Check out our website and see what you think. If I can be of any help, give me a shout......   

Â    

Walt Shipley (423) 257-6566   

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ianxbrown

Joined: 16 May 2009
Posts: 80

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:06 am Post subject: Taxes

It's amazing how taxes are considered 100% negative in the US.   You should try living in a place that has very little infrastructure (paid for by what else - taxes) like Haiti.    9% income taxes sounds like a dream to me.   Europeans, Canadians and many others reading these posts must wonder where the average American thinks the highways, defence, good government and all those other things come from if it's not from sharing part of what you earn/have earned in the past to pay for it.  

 Ian Brown, Bromont, Quebec (Still paying tax on my pension, and wishing the highways were better and that it didn't take five hours in the ER to be seen by a doctor!).

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:53 am Post subject: Taxes

I've been following this thread with a look into different perspectives.Â  High taxes are one thing ...... but the aesthetics are also important as Ian alluded to.Â  I live in FL.Â  It's so flat that it must have been ironed when it was installed.Â  But I like mountains!Â  What am I doing in FL???Â  Well, for 95% of the time I can fly on any day of the week.Â  Sure, we have thunderstorms, hurricanes and tornadoes, but they don't stick around for weeks at a time.Â  It could be a little cooler in the summer, little less humidity, or a little warmer in the winter ..... but notice I said 'little'.Â  Not unbearable.Â  

 I grouse about taxes only because it's wasted by the Gov't. I don't have state income tax in FL, but I pay taxes on the following:

 

 Federal income tax

 fuel (1-2 pennies locally plus fed excise tax)

 county general fund

 library

 mosquito control

 recreational taxÂ  (for parks etc)

 schools .... actually three different ones, and I don't have kids in school!)

 fire control

 law enforcement

 roads & bridges ..... in addition to the fuel taxes above

 a water management district that I can't get rid of

 Fl inland navigation district (the intracoastal is right next door)

 sebastian inlet district ..... access to the ocean is not too far away

 environmental endangered lands .... four separate taxes

 South Brevard recreation district ..... in addition to the rec tax above

 solid waste collection

 solid waste disposal

 stormwater control fee

 emergency medical service (part of our fire department above!)

 local water management district ..... and the two others above

 

 Which all comes to less than 2% of my property assessed value ..... not a real big deal.

 My Fed taxes, however,Â  run in the 30% region because I have the income to enjoy my high priced hobby.Â  This does rankle me, because of the waste and bloat of government and the crappy politics that it pays for.

 Having said all this ..... sorry if I bore you ....Â  I'm still a whole lot better off than those in a lot of other well-developed countries.Â  I still feel fortunate.Â  However I also feel that there are things that need changing ..... and so I gripe about them.Â  I doubt if utopia exists anywhere in my country (USA, if you haven't a foggiest idea of where Florida is), but I'm kinda happy where I am.Â  

 Now, don't get me wrong .... I don't want y'all to move here .... we have enough of a problem with 'snowbirds' and hangar space is limited.

 Now, back to building ....

 Linn

 

 

 

 

 

 Ian wrote: [quote]       It's amazing how taxes are considered 100% negative in the US.Â Â  You should try living in a place that has very little infrastructure (paid for by what else - taxes) like Haiti.Â Â Â  9% income taxes sounds like a dream to me.Â Â  Europeans, Canadians and many others reading these posts must wonder where the average American thinks the highways, defence, good government and all those other things come from if it's not from sharing part of what you earn/have earned in the past to pay for it.Â  

 Ian Brown, Bromont, Quebec (Still paying tax on my pension, and wishing the highways were better and that it didn't take five hours in the ER to be seen by a doctor!). [b]

n343fd(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:53 am Post subject: Taxes

It is REALLY hard not to launch on this one. I will confine my comment to - The reason taxes are considered 100% negative is the "rugged individualism" that founded this country and the silly thought that what you earn actually belongs to you and not the guy that wants to live off the fruit of his neighbors labor. It is our Constitution (wen followed) that allow us the freedom to work, build, fly and operate our wonderful little RV planes. Not Taxes.



And speaking of RV planes - has any one retrofitted a EI engine monitor in a 6? Did the sub panel get in the way? Is the single unit OK or is the remote head a better choice? Plane is opened up for annual and I thought I would do a little up grade. Well depending on how much I owe in taxes on the 15th next month 

 

Mike Divan

N64GH - RV6 (flying) 

http://n64gh.blogspot.com/

FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS!

Remember it is the Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine and Coast Guard that guarantee your freedom NOT the "community organizer"!



From: Ian <ixb(at)videotron.ca>

To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 5:59:40 AM

Subject: Taxes



           It's amazing how taxes are considered 100% negative in the US.   You should try living in a place that has very little infrastructure (paid for by what else - taxes) like Haiti.    9% income taxes sounds like a dream to me.   Europeans, Canadians and many others reading these posts must wonder where the average American thinks the highways, defence, good government and all those other things come from if it's not from sharing part of what you earn/have earned in the past to pay for it.  

 Ian Brown, Bromont, Quebec (Still paying tax on my pension, and wishing the highways were better and that it didn't take five hours in the ER to be seen by a doctor!).   



 



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Ollie Washburn

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 56
Location: Central Florida

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:54 am Post subject: Taxes

They missed our airpark (97FL) when the ironing was done.

Ollie,  Central FL



On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net (pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net)> wrote:

 [quote]        I've been following this thread with a look into different perspectives.  High taxes are one thing ...... but the aesthetics are also important as Ian alluded to.  I live in FL.  It's so flat that it must have been ironed when it was installed.  But I like mountains!  What am I doing in FL???  Well, for 95% of the time I can fly on any day of the week.  Sure, we have thunderstorms, hurricanes and tornadoes, but they don't stick around for weeks at a time.  It could be a little cooler in the summer, little less humidity, or a little warmer in the winter ..... but notice I said 'little'.  Not unbearable.  

 I grouse about taxes only because it's wasted by the Gov't. I don't have state income tax in FL, but I pay taxes on the following:

 

 Federal income tax

 fuel (1-2 pennies locally plus fed excise tax)

 county general fund

 library

 mosquito control

 recreational tax  (for parks etc)

 schools .... actually three different ones, and I don't have kids in school!)

 fire control

 law enforcement

 roads & bridges ..... in addition to the fuel taxes above

 a water management district that I can't get rid of

 Fl inland navigation district (the intracoastal is right next door)

 sebastian inlet district ..... access to the ocean is not too far away

 environmental endangered lands .... four separate taxes

 South Brevard recreation district ..... in addition to the rec tax above

 solid waste collection

 solid waste disposal

 stormwater control fee

 emergency medical service (part of our fire department above!)

 local water management district ..... and the two others above

 

 Which all comes to less than 2% of my property assessed value ..... not a real big deal.

 My Fed taxes, however,  run in the 30% region because I have the income to enjoy my high priced hobby.  This does rankle me, because of the waste and bloat of government and the crappy politics that it pays for.

 Having said all this ..... sorry if I bore you ....  I'm still a whole lot better off than those in a lot of other well-developed countries.  I still feel fortunate.  However I also feel that there are things that need changing ..... and so I gripe about them.  I doubt if utopia exists anywhere in my country (USA, if you haven't a foggiest idea of where Florida is), but I'm kinda happy where I am.  

 Now, don't get me wrong .... I don't want y'all to move here ... we have enough of a problem with 'snowbirds' and hangar space is limited.

 Now, back to building ....

 Linn

 

 

 

 

 

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		         It's amazing how taxes are considered 100% negative in the US.   You should try living in a place that has very little infrastructure (paid for by what else - taxes) like Haiti.    9% income taxes sounds like a dream to me.   Europeans, Canadians and many others reading these posts must wonder where the average American thinks the highways, defence, good government and all those other things come from if it's not from sharing part of what you earn/have earned in the past to pay for it.  

 Ian Brown, Bromont, Quebec (Still paying tax on my pension, and wishing the highways were better and that it didn't take five hours in the ER to be seen by a doctor!). 



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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:08 am Post subject: Taxes

Linn, I've got a buddy here at Hensley Airpark in NE TN who lives here from the 1st of May through October, then returns to his Airpark home in Ft. Meyers, FL. Now that's the best of both worlds. It does get cold here in winter (our pond froze solid this winter), but winter flying over the mountains has it's rewards as well; I really enjoyed flying my RV8 over the ski resorts early in the AM when the air was crisp and cold - great lift - but I have to admit I'm a TN native and love this place. It's not for everyone though, it's small town America, some of the people have accents that even I have difficulty understanding and the Ammenities aren't on par with CA, DE, NJ or some of the other places I've lived, but it's HOME. And those mtn views are fantastic! 

  

Walt Shipley  (sorry for the ramble, definitely DO NOT ARCHIVE)

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