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Scotsman

Joined: 27 Aug 2007
Posts: 89
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa

Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:16 am Post subject: Cabin fittings

Hi Listers,



What is your preferred way of attached whatever material (leather etc) you have choose to, for example, the sides of the cabin?  And for those who have been flying with it for a while any comments on how that lasted against the usual amount of abuse that the cabin receives?



Any photos would be appreciated.



Cheers

James

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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:35 am Post subject: Cabin fittings

Hi James,



My plan is to leave bare metal on cabin sides and similar areas.  Any extra

materials in those places serves two purposes - changing the natural

appearance and reducing noise.  These extra materials also add weight which

is very costly in terms of utility of our craft which are severely limited

in maximum gross weight.



I am happy to live with bare metal apparence, and I have learned that the

new ANL headsets do an incredibly good job at eliminating noise of all

sorts.  I'm quite sure the weight penalty for use of a fancy headset is

trivial compared to a bunch of upholstery on the cabin walls.



Paul

XL - installing upgrade kit

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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:19 am Post subject: Cabin fittings

James,

 

 I made upholstery panels with an aircraft grade plastic corrugated board covered with a thin aircraft grade foam sheet and fabric, all from Airtex (Airtexinteriors.com).  I added vertical strips of L angle to the fuselage upright angles and placed strips of Velcro on those angles and horizontal strips of Velcro on the panels.  It was very easy to install and they are easily removable for access to "stuff" that is behind them.  On the forward panels, I placed the Velcro directly on the inside of the fuselage skin and filled in between the angles with fabric panels. Questions?

 

 Jay Bannister

 

   

 

  

   

 

   

 

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floyd wilkes

Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 39
Location: spring branch, tx

Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:18 am Post subject: Cabin fittings

James,



I cut several pieces of 1X2 lumber about 2 inches long and glued them to the

skins.  Then a small wood screw thru the panels into the wood.



Floyd wilkes



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Z601c(at)anemicaardvark.c
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:24 am Post subject: Cabin fittings

On Saturday 20 March 2010 08:57:23 you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    James,

 

 I made upholstery panels with an aircraft grade plastic corrugated board

  covered with a thin aircraft grade foam sheet and fabric, all from Airtex

  (Airtexinteriors.com).  I added vertical strips of L angle to the fuselage

  upright angles and placed strips of Velcro on those angles and horizontal

  strips of Velcro on the panels.  It was very easy to install and they are

  easily removable for access to "stuff" that is behind them.  On the

  forward panels, I placed the Velcro directly on the inside of the fuselage

  skin and filled in between the angles with fabric panels. Questions?

 

For those who never plan to remove the panels (although I don't necessarily 
	


recommend that), Airtex also sells an adhesive that can be used to bond the 

panels directly to the aircraft. That's pretty much the standard way it's done 

for certificated aircraft, when using their panels.



I've used it a number of times, with good results. I'm a little surprised 

Airtex hasn't offered Zenith panels.



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                                       BS,MS Physics

                                            A&P/IA

                      General Radio Telephone Certificate

                               Instrument Rated Pilot

                     Retired Aerospace Technical Manager

                         Semi-proficient Househusband

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naumuk(at)windstream.net
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: Cabin fittings

James-

    I used V+S 1081 Spray Trim Adhesive available from ACS to attach sound 

insulation. I don't think it looks too bad (Picture attached) and you kill 

two birds with one stone.

                                                                             

        bill

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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: Cabin fittings

Here is another idea.  I used some extra 6061 to make the side panels.  Then

I glued Naugahyde to the aluminum.  The panels are held on with Velcro for

easy removal and tucked up under the upper longeron cap.  Picture attached.

Jeff Davidson

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gregw(at)aeromarket.com.a
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:34 am Post subject: Cabin fittings

I wanted a fabric so I got hold of an old corrugated plastic real estate

sign and cut peices to fit. I then used spray on contact adhesive to

attach the material to the plastic with 1 inch wrapping around to the back

surface on all sides.



The upholstered cards can then be either glued in place with contact

adhesive or attached to velcro strips stuck on to the inside panels of the

fuselage.



It gives a very professional finsih with little cost and minimal weight.

 	  Quote: 	
		   Here is another idea.  I used some extra 6061 to make the side panels.

 Then

 I glued Naugahyde to the aluminum.  The panels are held on with Velcro for

 easy removal and tucked up under the upper longeron cap.  Picture

 attached.

 Jeff Davidson

carlossa52(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:35 am Post subject: Cabin fittings

I thought about using corrugated plastic too, but I would prefer something not flammable.

I believe I have seen pink rigid board of something that looks like fiberglass, about 1 - 1.5 cm thick somewhere. (Inside a car or in the aviation department of Home Depot?)

 

Did anyone use or consider this?



Carlos

CH601-HD, plans



On 21 March 2010 07:33, Greg Wilson <gregw(at)aeromarket.com.au (gregw(at)aeromarket.com.au)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Zenith601-List message posted by: "Greg Wilson" <gregw(at)aeromarket.com.au (gregw(at)aeromarket.com.au)>

  

 I wanted a fabric so I got hold of an old corrugated plastic real estate

 sign and cut peices to fit. I then used spray on contact adhesive to

 attach the material to the plastic with 1 inch wrapping around to the back

 surface on all sides.

 

 The upholstered cards can then be either glued in place with contact

 adhesive or attached to velcro strips stuck on to the inside panels of the

 fuselage.

 

 It gives a very professional finsih with little cost and minimal weight.

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Z601c(at)anemicaardvark.c
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:53 am Post subject: Cabin fittings

On Sunday 21 March 2010 08:34:37 you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I thought about using corrugated plastic too, but I would prefer something

 not flammable.

 I believe I have seen pink rigid board of something that looks like

 fiberglass, about 1 - 1.5 cm thick somewhere. (Inside a car or in the

 aviation department of Home Depot?)


	


I suspect a lot of the corrugated plastic burns entirely too well. The stuff 

one can get from Airtex meets the flame retardant requirements of the FARs, 

although as an experimental, we obviously don't need to meet those unless we 

care about burning up or something.



Another consideration is that the adhesive needs to be something that is non-

corrosive, and doesn't trap moisture. I'm sure there are many adhesives that 

meet this requirement, but the one I know of for sure is the stuff Airtex 

peddles.



No, I don't own stock in Airtex. Their stuff just has a good track record, and 

its a known entity.



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                                       Jim B. Belcher

                                       BS,MS Physics

                                            A&P/IA

                      General Radio Telephone Certificate

                               Instrument Rated Pilot

                     Retired Aerospace Technical Manager

                         Semi-proficient Househusband

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rsteele(at)rjsit.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:55 am Post subject: Cabin fittings

I'm a long way from worrying about it, but anything going  into my plane, fabric, soundproofing,  etc. will have a sample exposed to a propane torch to test for flammability and, probably more important, smoke production.	It's my understanding that's roughly how fabrics and foams are tested to be certified aircraft grade.  

Ron



On Mar 21, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Carlos Sa wrote:

[quote]I thought about using corrugated plastic too, but I would prefer something not flammable.

I believe I have seen pink rigid board of something that looks like fiberglass, about 1 - 1.5 cm thick somewhere. (Inside a car or in the aviation department of Home Depot?)

 

Did anyone use or consider this?



Carlos

CH601-HD, plans



On 21 March 2010 07:33, Greg Wilson <gregw(at)aeromarket.com.au (gregw(at)aeromarket.com.au)> wrote:

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		  --> Zenith601-List message posted by: "Greg Wilson" <gregw(at)aeromarket.com.au (gregw(at)aeromarket.com.au)>

 

 I wanted a fabric so I got hold of an old corrugated plastic real estate

 sign and cut peices to fit. I then used spray on contact adhesive to

 attach the material to the plastic with 1 inch wrapping around to the back

 surface on all sides.

 

 The upholstered cards can then be either glued in place with contact

 adhesive or attached to velcro strips stuck on to the inside panels of the

 fuselage.

 

 It gives a very professional finsih with little cost and minimal weight.





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Scotsman

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Location: Johannesburg, South Africa

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Cabin fittings

Thanks for the all the responses.  It is nice to see the list back to doing what it is best at.



In terms of the weight penalty I accept this but some of the proposed solutions do not appear to have a massive weight penalty.  My personal preference is to do the interior up nicely and use the Jabi 3300 which will contribute a few extra hp to pull the interior along.



I think that a half decent interior will also add extra value to the aircraft if eventually I decide to ever sell it.  



I was concerned about the effect of some types of adhesive on the side skins etc so I think I will go with the more expensive safe bet of the products that are "certified".  I don't want to have an issue years down the line.



If anyone else has any different forms of installation or suggestions please add your bit and a photo if you can.



Cheers



James

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