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beauford(at)tampabay.rr.c
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 Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: Checkout?...I doan need no stinking...... |
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Subject: Let's Hear It For Checkouts...
Kolbers and Kolbettes...
More follies on the Local airstrip... Food for thought on the subject of
self-taught aviation...which was, as I recall, a topic on this List not
too long ago...
A week ago last Sunday, a gent crumped his factory-fresh Aventura
"Ultralight" amphibian on the friendly sands of Manatee... Seems he had
never received any instruction or checkout in the machine... Had been waiting
for an appointment to get a training session or two and get signed off in it...
but that didn't work out, so he decided to just go ahead and check himself out...
Hell, it's just another airplane, right...? He had a right smart bit of time in other
ultralights, right....? Can't be that much different, right....?
He lucked out... only has broken arm, broken leg, and broken hip....
The new airplane appears to be pretty much toast... A lot of the primary
structure is bent or warped...port gear is ripped off...
The 582 and the prop look OK...
...and the beat goes on....
Beauford
FF #076
Brandon, FL
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Ralph Hoover
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Central Ohio
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| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Checkout?...I doan need no stinking...... |
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beauford,
Then ther is the other side of the fence (track). Me! I have spent about 15 hours over 8 months learning how to fly a "flying Log (Challenger). Since I am 6'-1" and 230 # and my instructor is 6'-0" and weighs 200# and we only put 5 gal in the tank, we come mighty close to the max for the log on a 1,000 foot strip for a newby. I gave up the scooter , the weather is warm, I would be, should be, could be, riding ....BUT NOOOOOOOOO!
I am waiting for calm, cool, evenings and weekends to get the landing part down pat. Oh forsooth! If nothing else to this point, i have : new wiring, new gauges, electric fuel pump as well as mechanical, new full windsheid, did I mention new wiring and have learned to take, off fly and almost land. And have gained a new respect for anyone that can operate a motorcycle on ice 1,000 feet off the ground! Oh, I didn't mention, but it is important...I have learned P A T I E N T S! Well, almost. Then I begin to loose interest and then, I see some of these pictures of youz guys flying and get re-invigorated. Go figure!
Ohio Ralph...in need of a fix or a longer field!
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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: Checkout?...I doan need no stinking...... |
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Hi Ralph,
<<I am waiting for calm, cool, evenings and weekends to get the landing part
down pat. >>
Do it like this.
The flap limiting speed is 50knots.Get below that, throttle back and pull
the nose up. Slide down the approach at around 45knots controlling SPEED
with the stick, ALTITUDE with the throttle.
Pick your landing point. If it climbs up the windscreen you are low. Open
the throttle a bit. If it goes down you are high. Close the throttle a bit.
Pull the nose up a bit and get the speed around 45 knots as you come over
the hedge. Cut the throttle, let her drift downwards at about 35 knots.
When the grass changes from a blur to individual blades ease the stick back,
nose high with the front wheel well clear of the ground and she will sit
down as smooth as silk.
Keep the nose off the ground as long as possible. If you land nose wheel
first you may break the strut. The mains will stand anything.
When you get a bit more comfortable with it you can deal with excess height
on the approach by sideslipping. Stick right over to the side and bootful of
opposite rudder and she will turn sideways and drop out of the sky. Just
watch your speed as the ASI will not read accurately. As soon as you
centralise the controls she will change back into her usual comfortable
self.
It works for me.
Good luck.
If you want to chat off list try pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Pat
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beauford(at)tampabay.rr.c
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: Checkout?...I doan need no stinking...... |
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Ralph:
Personally, I think you are doing exactly the right thing by getting
the training.
Flying these little airplanes safely isn't all that difficult, but I
think it does require
certain knowledge and skills that only come to most folks through
quality training.
I don't think you will ever look back and regret having invested in
the dual
instruction with a good instructor. Stay with it.
Fly safe.
Beauford
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dhkey(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:26 am Post subject: Checkout?...I doan need no stinking...... |
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I like your analysis Pat.
I'd add "look at the far end of the runway" right before "Keep the nose off
the runway."
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Subject: Re: Re: Checkout?...I doan need no stinking......
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:32:52 +0100
Hi Ralph,
<<I am waiting for calm, cool, evenings and weekends to get the landing
part
down pat. >>
Do it like this.
The flap limiting speed is 50knots.Get below that, throttle back and pull
the nose up. Slide down the approach at around 45knots controlling SPEED
with the stick, ALTITUDE with the throttle.
Pick your landing point. If it climbs up the windscreen you are low. Open
the throttle a bit. If it goes down you are high. Close the throttle a bit.
Pull the nose up a bit and get the speed around 45 knots as you come over
the hedge. Cut the throttle, let her drift downwards at about 35 knots.
When the grass changes from a blur to individual blades ease the stick
back,
nose high with the front wheel well clear of the ground and she will sit
down as smooth as silk.
Keep the nose off the ground as long as possible. If you land nose wheel
first you may break the strut. The mains will stand anything.
When you get a bit more comfortable with it you can deal with excess height
on the approach by sideslipping. Stick right over to the side and bootful
of
opposite rudder and she will turn sideways and drop out of the sky. Just
watch your speed as the ASI will not read accurately. As soon as you
centralise the controls she will change back into her usual comfortable
self.
It works for me.
Good luck.
If you want to chat off list try pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Pat
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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:28 am Post subject: Checkout?...I doan need no stinking...... |
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I like your analysis Pat.
I'd add "look at the far end of the runway" right before "Keep the nose off
the runway.">>
Thanks, I am sure you are right but I have never consciously been able to do
that. As I am still here perhaps I do it unconsciously?
Cheers
Pat
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John Jung
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 108
Location: Surprise, AZ, USA
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Checkout?...I doan need no stinking...... |
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| beauford(at)tampabay.rr.c wrote: |
Ralph: Personally, I think you are doing exactly the right thing by getting
the training.
Flying these little airplanes safely isn't all that difficult, but I think it does require certain knowledge and skills that only come to most folks through
quality training. I don't think you will ever look back and regret having invested in the dual instruction with a good instructor. |
My feelings, exactly, Beauford. I had maybe 30 hours dual before flying a Kolb, and I have never regreted it. The dual time was not much fun, but I developed discipline and skills that I would never have achived on my own. It really helped to lower the stress for my first solo in a Kolb.
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