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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:57 am    Post subject: Battery mounting options Reply with quote

My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The battery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I would like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the motorcycle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the nose. What other locations are builders using for a larger battery?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Battery mounting options Reply with quote

What type battery are you using that only last a year? I have a Mark 3 C/912 also and use a sealed motorcycle battery and last 3-4 years. They cost more that the lead batteries but last longer. It is mounted in the nose along with a 3 fuel reserve tank also.
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My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The battery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I would like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the motorcycle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the nose. What other locations are builders using for a larger battery?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Battery mounting options Reply with quote

I would first be curious as to why the battery only lasts "about a year". I get much better use out of mine, more in the range of two years.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:53 am    Post subject: Battery mounting options Reply with quote

Tim,



I used the area behind the (right) passenger seat, up next to the right main gear socket tube. It fit there reasonably well.

I can't vouch that this is a good location, especially since I haven't done my final weight and balance.



Before I reinstall the battery, I will be doing my W & B, and then I can determine whether or not it will stay at that location, due to weight considerations.
BTW, I also have the same problem with batteries dying early. When I don't drive my Mercedes SL500 very much, the battery goes dead. It seems like everytime I want to drive my car, I have to charge the battery first!! And reset the clock, and recycle the windows, and reset the security alarm....pain in the butt!!

After getting tired of this routine, I bought a battery tender about two ago. It's one of those dinky battery chargers things, that keep the battery charged at all times.

My SL500 fires right up every time!!



I'd suggest running down to your local auto parts store and picking up one of those battery tenders.

Plus, if you park your plane where there isn't any handy 110volt plug-ins, get the solar powered one.

From my experience (finally!!), they are worth the effort.



BTW, the reason a battery dies after only one year, is because they go totally dead between charges. If if were kept charged at al times, it would last MUCH longer.



In my opinion, your problem isn't where you have located a small battery, it's that you don't keep the battery charged properly. Even a bigger battery will go dead, if not used very often, and the more often they go dead, the sooner they die.



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My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The battery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I would like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the motorcycle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the nose. What other locations are builders using for a larger battery?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:24 am    Post subject: Battery mounting options Reply with quote

I have to agree with Mike about the maintainer. As I said mine last 3-4 yrs. I also have a battery solar charging panel mounted in the center gap seal so as to always be something trickling in to the battery. The panel is mount on the under side of the clear lexan center gap seal in front of the engine.

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I used the area behind the (right) passenger seat, upnext tothe right main gear socket tube. It fit there reasonably well.
I can'tvouch that this is a good location, especially since I haven't done my final weight and balance.

Before I reinstall the battery, I will be doing my W & B, and then I can determine whether or not it will stay at that location, due to weight considerations.

BTW, I also have the same problem with batteries dying early. When I don't drive my Mercedes SL500 very much, the battery goes dead. It seems like everytime I want to drive my car, I have to charge the battery first!! And reset the clock, and recycle the windows, and reset the security alarm....pain in the butt!!
After getting tired of this routine, I bought a battery tender about two ago. It's one of those dinky battery chargers things, that keep the battery charged at all times.
My SL500 fires right up every time!!

I'd suggest running down to your local auto parts store and picking up one of those battery tenders.
Plus, if you park your plane where there isn't any handy 110volt plug-ins, get the solar powered one.
From my experience (finally!!), they are worth the effort.

BTW, the reason a battery dies after only one year, is because they go totally dead between charges. If if were kept charged at al times, it would last MUCH longer.

In my opinion, your problem isn't where you have located a small battery, it's that you don't keep the battery charged properly. Even a bigger battery will go dead, if not used very often, and the more often they go dead, the sooner they die.

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My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The battery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I would like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the motorcycle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the nose. What other locations are builders using for a larger battery?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:49 am    Post subject: Battery mounting options Reply with quote

Tim, Before going to the trouble of mounting a larger battery, moving it or both make sure you are using cables big enough to carry the current and that you have a ground cable going either very close to or directly to the starter motor. My battery is mounted just behind the right seat of my Mk III and I use 4 gauge welding cable to carry both positive and ground. You can find information on calculating voltage drop by size and length of cable on the Aeroelectric forum here on Matronics.

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On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com (mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] Tim,

I used the area behind the (right) passenger seat, upnext tothe right main gear socket tube. It fit there reasonably well.
I can'tvouch that this is a good location, especially since I haven't done my final weight and balance.

Before I reinstall the battery, I will be doing my W & B, and then I can determine whether or not it will stay at that location, due to weight considerations.

BTW, I also have the same problem with batteries dying early. When I don't drive my Mercedes SL500 very much, the battery goes dead. It seems like everytime I want to drive my car, I have to charge the battery first!! And reset the clock, and recycle the windows, and reset the security alarm....pain in the butt!!
After getting tired of this routine, I bought a battery tender about two ago. It's one of those dinky battery chargers things, that keep the battery charged at all times.
My SL500 fires right up every time!!

I'd suggest running down to your local auto parts store and picking up one of those battery tenders.
Plus, if you park your plane where there isn't any handy 110volt plug-ins, get the solar powered one.
From my experience (finally!!), they are worth the effort.

BTW, the reason a battery dies after only one year, is because they go totally dead between charges. If if were kept charged at al times, it would last MUCH longer.

In my opinion, your problem isn't where you have located a small battery, it's that you don't keep the battery charged properly. Even a bigger battery will go dead, if not used very often, and the more often they go dead, the sooner they die.

Mike Welch









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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> Well stated.One other item for consideration. Lead Acid Valve Regulated Batteries that sit without a float charge will sulfate. Sulfation lowers capacity as it inhibits the conversion from chemical to electrical energy. Caution must also be taken not to over charge, as this causes dry out (gasses leave battery and cannot reconstitute internally, resulting in lower electrolyte level...again loss of capacity. How frequently you use the battery will have a big impact on this.My 2 cents.
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Tim, Before going to the trouble of mounting a larger battery, moving it or= both make sure you are using cables big enough to carry the current and th= at you have a ground cable going either very close to or directly to the st= arter motor. My battery is mounted just behind the right seat of my Mk III = and I use 4 gauge welding cable to carry both positive and ground. You can = find information on calculating voltage drop by size and length of cable on= the Aeroelectric forum here on Matronics.

Rick

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 = at 12:34 PM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com ([email]mdnanwelch7= (at)hotmail.com[/email])> wrote:
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=A0 I used the area behind the (right) passenger seat, up=A0next to=A0the r= ight main gear socket tube.=A0 It fit there reasonably well.
I can't=A0vouch that this is a good location, especially since I haven&= #39;t done my final weight and balance.
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=A0 Before I reinstall the battery, I will be doing my W & B, and then = I can determine whether or not it will stay at that location, due to weight= considerations.

=A0 BTW, I also have the same problem with batteries dying early.=A0 When I= don't drive my Mercedes SL500 very much, the battery goes dead.=A0 It = seems like everytime I want to drive my car, I have to charge the battery f= irst!!=A0 And reset the clock, and recycle the windows, and reset the secur= ity alarm....pain in the butt!!
=A0 After getting tired of this routine, I bought a battery tender about tw= o ago.=A0 It's one of those dinky battery chargers things, that keep th= e battery charged at all times.
=A0 My SL500 fires right up every time!!
=A0
I'd suggest running down to your local auto parts store and picking up= one of those battery tenders.=A0
=A0 Plus, if you park your plane where there isn't any handy 110volt pl= ug-ins, get the solar powered one.
=A0 From my experience (finally!!), they are worth the effort.
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=A0 BTW, the reason a battery dies after only one year, is because they go = totally dead between charges.=A0 If if were kept charged at al times, it wo= uld last MUCH longer.
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=A0 In my opinion, your problem isn't where you have located a small ba= ttery, it's that you don't keep the battery charged properly.=A0 Ev= en a bigger battery will go dead, if not used very often, and the more ofte= n they go dead, the sooner they die.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:02 pm    Post subject: Battery mounting options Reply with quote

Fran,



Yup, that's what I was getting at.



I've got a question for ya, since you sound like you know your stuff re: batteries. Is there an easy way to "fix" a dead battery....say, the one that dies after only one year.



Can you pour in some baking powder and eat away some of the sulphation, clean it out real good, and then pour in some new acid? Has anyone ever done this?



I bought my MkIII battery about 10 months ago (dry) and then bought some acid at Auto Zone. I'm not pouring in the acid until I'm ready to start my motor. I'm not starting it's life until I'm ready to start it!!



BTW, I got one of those Harbor Freight chinese battery maintainers for $10 at the store in Springfield, MO. Next time I think about it, I'll get about 4 more.



Mike Welch

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Well stated.

One other item for consideration. Lead Acid Valve Regulated Batteries that sit without a float charge will sulfate. Sulfation lowers capacity as it inhibits the conversion from chemical to electrical energy. Caution must also be taken not to over charge, as this causes dry out (gasses leave battery and cannot reconstitute internally, resulting in lower electrolyte level...again loss of capacity. How frequently you use the battery will have a big impact on this.

My 2 cents.
Fran Losey www.mykitlog.com/loseyf Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Tim, Before going to the trouble of mounting a larger battery, moving it or= both make sure you are using cables big enough to carry the current and th= at you have a ground cable going either very close to or directly to the st= arter motor. My battery is mounted just behind the right seat of my Mk III = and I use 4 gauge welding cable to carry both positive and ground. You can = find information on calculating voltage drop by size and length of cable on= the Aeroelectric forum here on Matronics.
Rick
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 = at 12:34 PM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
Tim,
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject: Battery mounting options Reply with quote

Tim, do you have a volt meter on the panel? During run mine shows about 15V and I have no problems, including winter downtime.
I use a lawn tractor battery from (walmart/autozone) wherever has the best price. They are available in various amp-hr capacities but all share the same dimension. Cranks right up every time. If the battery is low
my aggressive charging circuit will squeal the belt for a minute or two.
Mine is also located in a mount forward of the pedals. I can slip it out without removing the nose.
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My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Classic. The battery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mornings. I would like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than the motorcycle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in the nose. What other locations are builders using for a larger battery?

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My Harley-Davidson battery cranks the Jabiru even when it's chilly.It's a bit larger than most cycle batteries
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Battery mounting options Reply with quote

Hey Mike, just finishing up the home chores....

Unfortunately once the battery has deteriorated there is not a lot you can do. If dry out is the issue, due to overcharging, and gasses have been expelled through the pressure relief valve, then if the battery has removeable caps they can be refilled. If not.....there is not much you can do.

Lead acid batteries need to be maintained by charging, especially when long periods go by without use. Just like a car we drive all the time.....not an issue. Leave the lawn tractor for a few months...different story. As I had said previously sulfation is basically a buildup on the plates which inhibits the conversion process. Prevention is the best practice.

http://www.batteryfaq.org/
This is a fairly good site for reading if anyone is interested, the second page is sectionalized, and there are some good bullets worth reading.

Hope that helps.

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Fran,

Yup, that's what I was getting at.

I've got a question for ya, since you sound like you know your stuff re: batteries. Is there an easy way to "fix" a dead battery....say, the one that dies after only one year.

Can you pour in some baking powder and eat away some of the sulphation,clean it out real good, and thenpour in some new acid? Has anyone ever done this?

I bought my MkIII battery about 10 months ago (dry) and then bought some acid at Auto Zone. I'm not pouring in the acid until I'm ready to start my motor.I'm not starting it's life until I'm ready to start it!!

BTW, I got one of those Harbor Freight chinese battery maintainers for $10 at the store in Springfield, MO. Next time I think about it, I'll get about 4 more.

Mike Welch

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:16:57 +0000

Well stated.

One other item for consideration. Lead Acid Valve Regulated Batteries that sit without a float charge will sulfate. Sulfation lowers capacity as it inhibits the conversion from chemical to electrical energy. Caution must also be taken not to over charge, as this causes dry out (gasses leave battery and cannot reconstitute internally, resulting in lower electrolyte level...again loss of capacity. How frequently you use the battery will have a big impact on this.

My 2 cents. Fran Losey www.mykitlog.com/loseyf Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Tim, Before going to the trouble of mounting a larger battery, moving it or= both make sure you are using cables big enough to carry the current and th= at you have a ground cable going either very close to or directly to the st= arter motor. My battery is mounted just behind the right seat of my Mk III = and I use 4 gauge welding cable to carry both positive and ground. You can = find information on calculating voltage drop by size and length of cable on= the Aeroelectric forum here on Matronics.

Rick

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 = at 12:34 PM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Tim,
=A0
=A0 I used the area behind the (right) passenger seat, up=A0next to=A0the r= ight main gear socket tube.=A0 It fit there reasonably well.
I can't=A0vouch that this is a good location, especially since I haven&= #39;t done my final weight and balance.
=A0
=A0 Before I reinstall the battery, I will be doing my W & B, and then = I can determine whether or not it will stay at that location, due to weight= considerations.

=A0 BTW, I also have the same problem with batteries dying early.=A0 When I= don't drive my Mercedes SL500 very much, the battery goes dead.=A0 It = seems like everytime I want to drive my car, I have to charge the battery f= irst!!=A0 And reset the clock, and recycle the windows, and reset the secur= ity alarm....pain in the butt!!
=A0 After getting tired of this routine, I bought a battery tender about tw= o ago.=A0 It's one of those dinky battery chargers things, that keep th= e battery charged at all times.
=A0 My SL500 fires right up every time!!
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I'd suggest running down to your local auto parts store and picking up= one of those battery tenders.=A0
=A0 Plus, if you park your plane where there isn't any handy 110volt pl= ug-ins, get the solar powered one.
=A0 From my experience (finally!!), they are worth the effort.
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=A0 BTW, the reason a battery dies after only one year, is because they go = totally dead between charges.=A0 If if were kept charged at al times, it wo= uld last MUCH longer.
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=A0 In my opinion, your problem isn't where you have located a small ba= ttery, it's that you don't keep the battery charged properly.=A0 Ev= en a bigger battery will go dead, if not used very often, and the more ofte= n they go dead, the sooner they die.
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Mike Welch
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> My motorcycle battery is mounted in the nose of my Mark 3 Cla= ssic. The battery only lasts about 1 year and I have to jump it on cold mor= nings. I would like to put in a small automotive battery (still larger than= the motorcycle battery) but it will not fit behind the rudder pedals in th= e nose. What other locations are builders using for a larger battery?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:24 pm    Post subject: Battery mounting options Reply with quote

Tim

I have a 12AH battery that that I mount in the nose of my MKIIIC that I use
to start my VW. I also had issues with my battery dying about every year or
sooner. I use a battery maintainer to keep it topped off year round. I just
replaced the battery after three years (about normal now). I use a Batteries
Plus, Wall mart etc. battery or what ever is convenient and cheep.

Keep your plane light and get a battery maintainer/charger. Buy cheap
batteries and replace them as necessary.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:06 am    Post subject: Battery mounting options Reply with quote

Tim,

I have a Mark 111Xtra and I have the battery mounted just behind the passenger seat. Easy to get at if you unscrew 2 nuts and drop the rod supporting the seat back.

I had problems with starting the Jabiru but I upgraded the battery and now use a Red Top Racing Battery which I keep topped up with a cheap solar panel fixed permanently to my hangar roof. I had a charging point built in while rebuilding which accepts the usual `cigar lighter` plug.
No problems since.

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