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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:06 pm Post subject: 4:1 C box

Got a chance to pick up a 4:1 C box fairly reasonably, idea is to reduce prop speed ~ prop noise. Anybody on the list using one on a 582, and what sort of prop are you using? 



How do you like it? 



Don't want to waste money experimenting if somebody else has already established it doesn't work...



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:15 pm Post subject: 4:1 C box

I have a 4:1 gearset in a "C" box driving a 66" Warp Drive prop. I like it, seems to work good. People tell me it's relatively quiet for a 2 stroke. Even though my Mk III is a bit heavy at 545 lb. empty it climbs like the proverbial homesick angel. Flying single I cannot get a departure stall to break, it just bobs the nose a bit. 



Rick Girard

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)> wrote:

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 Got a chance to pick up a 4:1 C box fairly reasonably, idea is to reduce prop speed ~ prop noise. Anybody on the list using one on a 582, and what sort of prop are you using?

 

 How do you like it?

 

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John Hauck

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: 4:1 C box

Flying single I cannot get a departure stall  to break, it just bobs the nose a bit.

 



 Rick Girard

  

  

  

  

 Rick G/Gang:

  

 That is normal performance for all models of Kolb  aircraft.

  

 john hauck

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Richard Pike

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: 4:1 C box

 	  rickofudall wrote: 	
		  I have a 4:1 gearset in a "C" box driving a 66" Warp Drive prop. I like it, seems to work good. People tell me it's relatively quiet for a 2 stroke. Even though my Mk III is a bit heavy at 545 lb. empty it climbs like the proverbial homesick angel. Flying single I cannot get a departure stall to break, it just bobs the nose a bit. 



Rick Girard

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Two or three blade? What rpm at various cruise speeds? Max speed at what rpm?



Thanks,

Richard Pike

rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
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Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: 4:1 C box

It's a three blade with straight blades and square tips. I get 82 IAS at 6200 RPM, but I run 62 IAS at 5200 mostly for economy and longevity and almost never go above 5600 RPM in level flight.



Rick

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)> wrote:

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 > I have a 4:1 gearset in a "C" box driving a 66" Warp Drive prop. I like it, seems to work good. People tell me it's relatively quiet for a 2 stroke. Even though my Mk III is a bit heavy at 545 lb. empty it climbs like the proverbial homesick angel. Flying single I cannot get a departure stall to break, it just bobs the nose a bit.

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Richard Pike

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: 4:1 C box

 	  rickofudall wrote: 	
		  It's a three blade with straight blades and square tips. I get 82 IAS at 6200 RPM, but I run 62 IAS at 5200 mostly for economy and longevity and almost never go above 5600 RPM in level flight.



Rick

  

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Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted. Now All I have to do is see if I can change my 2 blade Ivo to a 3 blade and use it, or do I need to sell the Ivo and go to a 3 blade Warp.

(Which will make John SO pleased... <grin>)



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

HShack(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:53 am Post subject: 4:1 C box

I would go with a 68" 3 blade...........

  

  In a message dated 4/6/2010 11:20:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  richard(at)bcchapel.org writes:

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		  Now All    I have to do is see if I can change my 2 blade Ivo to a 3 blade and use it, or    do I need to sell the Ivo and go to a 3 blade  Warp 	


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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:18 am Post subject: Re: 4:1 C box

 	  HShack(at)aol.com wrote: 	
		  I would go with a 68" 3 blade...........

  

  	




Currently using a 68" Ivo 2 blade. If I could simply add another blade, that would be ideal. Will call Ivo and ask them.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: 4:1 C box

End of the line - Ivo said no. The U/L prop will not work on the 3.47 or 4:1 ratio gearboxes. Would have to upgrade to a stronger prop than the U/L unit, & that is too much money for what I want. Think I'll just get a good ANR headset instead.



Thanks anyway guys for helping, at least I know more now than I did.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:55 pm Post subject: 4:1 C box

Richard, Sounds like a good reason to put the Ivo on eBay and use the money to get a WD. MHO.



Rick

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On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)>

  

 End of the line - Ivo said no. The U/L prop will not work on the 3.47 or 4:1 ratio gearboxes. Would have to upgrade to a stronger prop than the U/L unit, & that is too much money for what I want. Think I'll just get a good ANR headset instead.

  

 Thanks anyway guys for helping, at least I know more now than I did.

 

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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:45 am Post subject: 4:1 C box

Richard 

   if you want to trade your IVO for a 3 blade warp  Talk to me

 

 

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