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vans-dragon(at)lapdragon.
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

He had a great run, and died flying. 



How can anyone beat that? 



-Kysh

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ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi  -- STOC #5943

CBR-F4 - Foxy - > 56k mi 

~~ To fly is to truly live

winterland(at)rkymtnhi.co
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

To have a great run and NOT die flying



Andy

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 He had a great run, and died flying. 

 

 How can anyone beat that? 

 

 -Kysh

UFOBUCK(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

In a message dated 04/20/2006 3:25:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  

winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com writes:



To have  a great run and NOT die flying

HEAR, HEAR !!!

PFolbrecht(at)starkinvest
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

He was 84.  If I make it to 84 and pass without ever being a resident at

a group home, and with a valid FAA medical in my wallet, I'll consider

that quite a good run.

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vans-dragon(at)lapdragon.
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

As Andy Gold was saying:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 > He had a great run, and died flying. 

 > 

 > How can anyone beat that? 

 > 

 > -Kysh

 

 To have a great run and NOT die flying


	


Gotta die sometime, somehow.  I'd sure rather die flying than have it

creep up to me while I'm laying in bed. 84 is a long time to be around,

and me I'd hope to die before I lost my ability to do that which I

loved. 



We all die, some sooner and more ignominiously than others.  If I had

the choice, I'd go out with a stick in one hand, throttle in the other.



-Kysh

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ST1300 - Areion - > 4k mi  -- STOC #5943

CBR-F4 - Foxy - > 56k mi 

~~ To fly is to truly live

ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

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 > > How can anyone beat that?


	




I would rather not die flying in thunderstorms.



Ron Lee



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jjessen(at)rcn.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

Yeah, well.  He might also have wanted to stick around for loved ones.  And,

he might also have picked his time, moment and style.  Who knows.  It is a

loss for all those who were close to him, and that is the real tragedy.  My

heart goes out to those folks, especially all the young ones who are

affected.  



John Jessen



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gcomfo(at)tc3net.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

He had a great run, and died flying. 



How can anyone beat that? 

~~ To fly is to truly live



There are many people in this world for whom I have great respect, but few

whom I truly admire.  Of the latter, Scott Crossfield is at the top of the

list.  I will join many others in mourning his passing.



Gordon Comfort

N3363GC

kboatright1(at)comcast.ne
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

The crash occurred about 25 miles from my office, and the crash occurred 

around lunchtime yesterday.



Just before his crash, I had gone over to the airport to give my carburetor 

to the AI I use, and we both commented on what a rotten flying day it was. 

Low altitude visibility was awful, and you could hear lots of thunder to the 

North. When I returned to work (around 12:30 or 1:00, roughly the time of 

the crash), I just beat a monster storm that included hail, rain, etc. That 

storm was part of the area (or line?) of T-storms where Mr. Crossfield went 

down.



It wasn't a good time or place to fly a light single, and I'm surprised 

someone with Mr. Crossfield's credentials got caught in it.



KB





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jerry-hansen(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

I agree, John.  Here was a man who had shown great courage at an earlier,

younger age.  He was well respected, and evidently enjoying his life.  He

was flying home and apparently (conjecture at this point) encountered

weather much more severe than he or his plane could handle.  One can only

imagine the total dismay and, very likely, panic that he felt if he was

conscious on the way down.  I'm personally quite sure, as I approach his

age, that he would have preferred to be in a peaceful setting with loved

ones around when he left us.



I am bemused by those that remark that he "died doing what he loved".  That

doesn't justify the immense holes left in the hearts and lives of those that

loved him.  There is something in many of us, as pilots, that cause us to be

somewhat flip in our response to these tragedies that ignores the loss and

feelings of the loved ones that must cope because we "died doing what we

love".  I have personally lost around 30 friends and acquaintances in

aircraft accidents and I have seen the devastation it left on the families

left behind.  Every time, I have determined that it just isn't worth it.



...and yet, I fly.  Be very careful, and pray it doesn't happen to us.



Jerry Hansen

Gillespie Field

San Diego



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ogoodwin(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

I'd have to guess that those who think it's neat to "die doing what he loved" haven't been close to doing so.

 -------------- Original message ----------------------

From: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen(at)cox.net>

[quote] 

 

 I agree, John.  Here was a man who had shown great courage at an earlier,

 younger age.  He was well respected, and evidently enjoying his life.  He

 was flying home and apparently (conjecture at this point) encountered

 weather much more severe than he or his plane could handle.  One can only

 imagine the total dismay and, very likely, panic that he felt if he was

 conscious on the way down.  I'm personally quite sure, as I approach his

 age, that he would have preferred to be in a peaceful setting with loved

 ones around when he left us.

 

 I am bemused by those that remark that he "died doing what he loved".  That

 doesn't justify the immense holes left in the hearts and lives of those that

 loved him.  There is something in many of us, as pilots, that cause us to be

 somewhat flip in our response to these tragedies that ignores the loss and

 feelings of the loved ones that must cope because we "died doing what we

 love".  I have personally lost around 30 friends and acquaintances in

 aircraft accidents and I have seen the devastation it left on the families

 left behind.  Every time, I have determined that it just isn't worth it.

 

 ....and yet, I fly.  Be very careful, and pray it doesn't happen to us.

 

 Jerry Hansen

 Gillespie Field

 San Diego

 

 Do not archive.

 

 

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

I'm thinking more like the guys from "Second Hand Lions".

If you haven't seen it, you'd probably like much of it.

Sad to see Scott go, but glad that he was able to stretch

his flying out to his final days.  When my flying is done,

life will be much less worthwhile.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Ron Lee wrote:

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>>> How can anyone beat that?

 

 

 I would rather not die flying in thunderstorms.

 

 Ron Lee

 

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Tony Marshall

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 11
Location: Polson, MT

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

Jerry, your perspective is right on....in my humble opinion at 

least....thanks.



tony marshall

rv6

polson, mt

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davidfenster(at)comcast.n
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

I agree w/goodwin.

It is simply our (the survivors) way of justifying it/dealing with it.  

Death while doing what a person loved is still death.

I've been to many funerals (I was a USAF pilot).  A 34 year old who left 

a wife and three kids dying while doing acro is still dead and the 

kids/wife are still alone.  An F-16 pilot who left a wife and 4 kids is 

still dead.  We are mourning - plain and simple.  A pilot is dead.  He 

obviously thought conditions were acceptable.  Weather changes fast - 

especially when there is significant vertical development.  Seen it - 

been there.  PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday 

morning BS.

Nuff said.

ogoodwin(at)comcast.net wrote:

[quote] 

 I'd have to guess that those who think it's neat to "die doing what he loved" haven't been close to doing so.

  -------------- Original message ----------------------

 From: "Jerry Hansen" <jerry-hansen(at)cox.net>

> 

>

> I agree, John.  Here was a man who had shown great courage at an earlier,

> younger age.  He was well respected, and evidently enjoying his life.  He

> was flying home and apparently (conjecture at this point) encountered

> weather much more severe than he or his plane could handle.  One can only

> imagine the total dismay and, very likely, panic that he felt if he was

> conscious on the way down.  I'm personally quite sure, as I approach his

> age, that he would have preferred to be in a peaceful setting with loved

> ones around when he left us.

>

> I am bemused by those that remark that he "died doing what he loved".  That

> doesn't justify the immense holes left in the hearts and lives of those that

> loved him.  There is something in many of us, as pilots, that cause us to be

> somewhat flip in our response to these tragedies that ignores the loss and

> feelings of the loved ones that must cope because we "died doing what we

> love".  I have personally lost around 30 friends and acquaintances in

> aircraft accidents and I have seen the devastation it left on the families

> left behind.  Every time, I have determined that it just isn't worth it.

>

> ....and yet, I fly.  Be very careful, and pray it doesn't happen to us.

>

> Jerry Hansen

> Gillespie Field

> San Diego

>

> Do not archive.

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Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

OK, I should know better by now, but I must disagree. I am with you right up

to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday morning BS." There

is no way we can "taint this man's character," but we might be able to save

someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have happened. If you were a

USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into investigating and

discussing accidents for the express purpose of trying to prevent others

from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door on any discussion of an

accident that cost the life of such a competent pilot does a great

disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't help anyone's reputation.



"Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by learning from what cost him his

life.



Terry



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T.gummo(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

I read this somewhere:



There are two sad days in a pilot's life:



1.    The day he knows that he is takings his last flight as a pilot.



2.    The day he doesn't know it is his last flight.



Tom "GummiBear" Gummo

Wild Weasel #1573



http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html



Apple Valley, CA

Harmon Rocket-II



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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

 	  Quote: 	
		  "Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by learning from what cost him his

life.



Terry


	


Terry, the reality is that even if conjecture proves right (like with John 

John),

it is unlikely to save a single life.   People screw up.  Always 

have..always will.

Sometimes things bite you that are beyond you ability to prevent.  Sometimes

you go beyond your abilities and get bit.



I see it in flying, scuba diving and almost any other endeavor where you 

can be

killed. Even if one person learns the lesson "Stay away from X", there is 

another

person (maybe many more) who are ready to suffer the same fate.



Personally it would be better if he were here for another twenty 

years...even if

he could not fly after X age.



Ron Lee



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sbuc(at)hiwaay.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

Kysh wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 As Andy Gold was saying:

> 

>

>> He had a great run, and died flying. 

>>

>> How can anyone beat that? 

>>

>> -Kysh

> To have a great run and NOT die flying

 Gotta die sometime, somehow.  I'd sure rather die flying than have it

 creep up to me while I'm laying in bed. 84 is a long time to be around,

 and me I'd hope to die before I lost my ability to do that which I

 loved. 

Kysh, I certainly hope you do not lose your medical at a fairly young 

age.......

Someday, when you are surrounded by a loving extended family with a 

bunch of grandkids, you may realize the folly of your comments.

Best regards,

Sam Buchanan

davidfenster(at)comcast.n
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

OK.  We SHOULD learn (that's understood).  But that is not what this 

list does.  It tends to crucify.  Pilot error and all.

Here is a guy who had the experience to "know better" and still died.  

That was my point.  Start the "discussion" you are talking about, but do 

not question his abilities as a pilot.



Normally, I would just walk away from this discussion.  This list tends 

to "jump" at the easy answer.  I met this man, and I DID NOT want anyone 

to mess with HIS LEGACY.



So, the easy answer for you, Terry, is go get his experience and then post.

Or even mine.....



And, yes, you can taint his character with BS comments from 

inexperienced pilots who have never been in harms way.

Terry Watson wrote:

[quote] 



 OK, I should know better by now, but I must disagree. I am with you right up

 to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday morning BS." There

 is no way we can "taint this man's character," but we might be able to save

 someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have happened. If you were a

 USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into investigating and

 discussing accidents for the express purpose of trying to prevent others

 from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door on any discussion of an

 accident that cost the life of such a competent pilot does a great

 disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't help anyone's reputation.



 "Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by learning from what cost him his

 life.



 Terry



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today

Kyle Boatright wrote:



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snip
	




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		  It wasn't a good time or place to fly a light single, and I'm surprised 

someone with Mr. Crossfield's credentials got caught in it.



KB



Everytime one of the 'greats' passes in an accident that appears 
	


preventable,  I'm also surprised, and amazed.  Thousands of hours in 

many varied types of aircraft don't appear enough to overcome an error 

in judgement.   I'm saddened every time it happens.  I have twisted the 

'old-bold pilot' phrase to "An old pilot is one that survives all his 

(or her) stupid mistakes".

Linn

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