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Bob Collins
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I would like to interrupt the developing flame war just long enough to say
how much I admire the Greatest Generation. That includes, of course, Mr.
Crossfield.
When they came up with the phrase "he's got balls," it was for guys like him
and, frankly, thousands of men and women of his generation who are passing
from our lives every day.
I am always saddened, of course, when one passes. I look at my generation
(the Baby Boomers) and the one following it and I know we have not been or
acted worthy of what they handed over to us. And we could, never, ever
sacrifice in this day and age the way that one did. And that makes me sadder
still.
On the day of his death, I won't pollute his memory by thinking of anything
other than remembering him and his generation for what they gave me and this
country.
Will the circumstances of his death somehow help make me a better pilot. I
could not possibly care less. On this day, it's more important for me,
personally, to reflect on whether his life will help make me a better
person.
On this day, I'd also like to remember another member of the Greatest
Generation who passed today. Eustace Bohay.
Resume.
Bob Collins
St. Paul
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n41va(at)blazemail.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
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Thank you David! I didnt know Scott Crossfield but I can only imagine what his family is going thru. I lost my dad in an -8 (Von ALexander)and I know that my whole family monitored this exact RV list the day of the accident. We were very comforted by the concerns of every other RVer. Even though some questioned a few of my dads choices, just keep in mind that his family very well might might be reading all of these posts. In that case my heart goes out to his family. I didnt know Scott, but it sounds like he is doing what I am working towrds... a test pilot. I am sure he will be missed in the aviation community.
Kelby L Alexander
--- davidfenster(at)comcast.net wrote:
From: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster(at)comcast.net>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:11:31 -0400
OK. We SHOULD learn (that's understood). But that is not what this
list does. It tends to crucify. Pilot error and all.
Here is a guy who had the experience to "know better" and still died.
That was my point. Start the "discussion" you are talking about, but do
not question his abilities as a pilot.
Normally, I would just walk away from this discussion. This list tends
to "jump" at the easy answer. I met this man, and I DID NOT want anyone
to mess with HIS LEGACY.
So, the easy answer for you, Terry, is go get his experience and then post.
Or even mine.....
And, yes, you can taint his character with BS comments from
inexperienced pilots who have never been in harms way.
Terry Watson wrote:
[quote]
OK, I should know better by now, but I must disagree. I am with you right up
to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday morning BS." There
is no way we can "taint this man's character," but we might be able to save
someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have happened. If you were a
USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into investigating and
discussing accidents for the express purpose of trying to prevent others
from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door on any discussion of an
accident that cost the life of such a competent pilot does a great
disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't help anyone's reputation.
"Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by learning from what cost him his
life.
Terry
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n41va(at)blazemail.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
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Thank you David! I didnt know Scott Crossfield but I can only imagine what his family is going thru. I lost my dad in an -8 (Von ALexander)and I know that my whole family monitored this exact RV list the day of the accident. We were very comforted by the concerns of every other RVer. Even though some questioned a few of my dads choices, just keep in mind that his family very well might might be reading all of these posts. In that case my heart goes out to his family. I didnt know Scott, but it sounds like he is doing what I am working towrds... a test pilot. I am sure he will be missed in the aviation community.
Kelby L Alexander
--- davidfenster(at)comcast.net wrote:
From: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster(at)comcast.net>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:11:31 -0400
OK. We SHOULD learn (that's understood). But that is not what this
list does. It tends to crucify. Pilot error and all.
Here is a guy who had the experience to "know better" and still died.
That was my point. Start the "discussion" you are talking about, but do
not question his abilities as a pilot.
Normally, I would just walk away from this discussion. This list tends
to "jump" at the easy answer. I met this man, and I DID NOT want anyone
to mess with HIS LEGACY.
So, the easy answer for you, Terry, is go get his experience and then post.
Or even mine.....
And, yes, you can taint his character with BS comments from
inexperienced pilots who have never been in harms way.
Terry Watson wrote:
[quote]
OK, I should know better by now, but I must disagree. I am with you right up
to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with Monday morning BS." There
is no way we can "taint this man's character," but we might be able to save
someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have happened. If you were a
USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into investigating and
discussing accidents for the express purpose of trying to prevent others
from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door on any discussion of an
accident that cost the life of such a competent pilot does a great
disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't help anyone's reputation.
"Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by learning from what cost him his
life.
Terry
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jsflyrv
Joined: 03 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
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Bob Collins wrote:
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On this day, I'd also like to remember another member of the Greatest
Generation who passed today. Eustace Bohay.
Resume.
Bob Collins
St. Paul
That is truly sad news also.
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aeroncadoc(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
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The scary thing about flying to me, is that while I know about many of the risks and dangers, I don't even know what I don't know. If flying ever does me in, it will come from something in this category. I can certainly limit my risk by some conscious and prudent decision making, but who hasn't violated his or her own rules once or twice?
I guess most of us are willing to just accept the risks because there is something about flying that we are attracted (addicted?) to.
Henry H.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
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Kyle Boatright wrote:
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snip
>It wasn't a good time or place to fly a light single, and I'm surprised
>someone with Mr. Crossfield's credentials got caught in it.
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>KB
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Everytime one of the 'greats' passes in an accident that appears
preventable, I'm also surprised, and amazed. Thousands of hours in
many varied types of aircraft don't appear enough to overcome an error
in judgement. I'm saddened every time it happens. I have twisted the
'old-bold pilot' phrase to "An old pilot is one that survives all his
(or her) stupid mistakes".
Linn
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The scary thing about flying to me, is that while I know about many of the risks and dangers, I don't even know what I don't know. If flying ever does me in, it will come from something in this category. I can certainly limit my risk by some conscious and prudent decision making, but who hasn't violated his or her own rules once or twice?
I guess most of us are willing to just accept the risks because there is something about flying that we are attracted (addicted?) to.
Henry H.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: linn Walters pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net
-- RV-List message posted by: linn Walters <PITTS_PILOT(at)BELLSOUTH.NET>
Kyle Boatright wrote:
-- RV-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <KBOATRIGHT1(at)COMCAST.NET>
snip
It wasn't a good time or place to fly a light single, and I'm surprised
someone with Mr. Crossfield's credentials got caught in it.
KB
Everytime one of the 'greats' passes in an accident that appears
preventable, I'm also surprised, and amazed. Thousands of hours in
many varied types of aircraft don't appear enough to overcome an error
in judgement. I'm saddened every time it happens. I have twisted the
'old-bold pilot'
phrase
to "An old pilot is one that survives all his
(or her) stupid mistakes".
Linn
ralle,
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truflite(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
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The day after JFK Jr. died, I had a flying lesson. My
wife was having a Tupperware party and my mother was
there. She implored me not to go flying. I told her
the best thing to do would be to get in that plane and
fly. All the while keeping in mind that accidents
happen and knowledge gained from it could help save me
or someone else. Keep flying and always have your
eyes and mind open.
Dave
--- kelby alexander <n41va(at)blazemail.com> wrote:
[quote]
<n41va(at)blazemail.com>
Thank you David! I didnt know Scott Crossfield but I
can only imagine what his family is going thru. I
lost my dad in an -8 (Von ALexander)and I know that
my whole family monitored this exact RV list the day
of the accident. We were very comforted by the
concerns of every other RVer. Even though some
questioned a few of my dads choices, just keep in
mind that his family very well might might be
reading all of these posts. In that case my heart
goes out to his family. I didnt know Scott, but it
sounds like he is doing what I am working towrds...
a test pilot. I am sure he will be missed in the
aviation community.
Kelby L Alexander
--- davidfenster(at)comcast.net wrote:
From: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster(at)comcast.net>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:11:31 -0400
<davidfenster(at)comcast.net>
OK. We SHOULD learn (that's understood). But that
is not what this
list does. It tends to crucify. Pilot error and
all.
Here is a guy who had the experience to "know
better" and still died.
That was my point. Start the "discussion" you are
talking about, but do
not question his abilities as a pilot.
Normally, I would just walk away from this
discussion. This list tends
to "jump" at the easy answer. I met this man, and I
DID NOT want anyone
to mess with HIS LEGACY.
So, the easy answer for you, Terry, is go get his
experience and then post.
Or even mine.....
And, yes, you can taint his character with BS
comments from
inexperienced pilots who have never been in harms
way.
Terry Watson wrote:
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<terry(at)tcwatson.com>
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> OK, I should know better by now, but I must
disagree. I am with you right up
> to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with
Monday morning BS." There
> is no way we can "taint this man's character," but
we might be able to save
> someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have
happened. If you were a
> USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into
investigating and
> discussing accidents for the express purpose of
trying to prevent others
> from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door
on any discussion of an
> accident that cost the life of such a competent
pilot does a great
> disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't
help anyone's reputation.
>
> "Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by
learning from what cost him his
> life.
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
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n41va(at)blazemail.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
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1 year after my Dad dies in our RV I asked my Mom to start flying lessons. I got a HUGE "NOT IN A MILLION YEARS!!!!!" Now, almost 7 years after the accident, she is more than willing to pay for all of my ratings, Private, insturment, commercial, multi. cfi, cfii and mei. There is always dangers in flying, but I can look back and say my dad died doing something that he loved.
Kelby
--- truflite(at)yahoo.com wrote:
From: Dave Nellis <truflite(at)yahoo.com>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:14:23 -0700 (PDT)
The day after JFK Jr. died, I had a flying lesson. My
wife was having a Tupperware party and my mother was
there. She implored me not to go flying. I told her
the best thing to do would be to get in that plane and
fly. All the while keeping in mind that accidents
happen and knowledge gained from it could help save me
or someone else. Keep flying and always have your
eyes and mind open.
Dave
--- kelby alexander <n41va(at)blazemail.com> wrote:
[quote]
<n41va(at)blazemail.com>
Thank you David! I didnt know Scott Crossfield but I
can only imagine what his family is going thru. I
lost my dad in an -8 (Von ALexander)and I know that
my whole family monitored this exact RV list the day
of the accident. We were very comforted by the
concerns of every other RVer. Even though some
questioned a few of my dads choices, just keep in
mind that his family very well might might be
reading all of these posts. In that case my heart
goes out to his family. I didnt know Scott, but it
sounds like he is doing what I am working towrds...
a test pilot. I am sure he will be missed in the
aviation community.
Kelby L Alexander
--- davidfenster(at)comcast.net wrote:
From: David Fenstermacher <davidfenster(at)comcast.net>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: We lost Scott Crossfield today
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:11:31 -0400
<davidfenster(at)comcast.net>
OK. We SHOULD learn (that's understood). But that
is not what this
list does. It tends to crucify. Pilot error and
all.
Here is a guy who had the experience to "know
better" and still died.
That was my point. Start the "discussion" you are
talking about, but do
not question his abilities as a pilot.
Normally, I would just walk away from this
discussion. This list tends
to "jump" at the easy answer. I met this man, and I
DID NOT want anyone
to mess with HIS LEGACY.
So, the easy answer for you, Terry, is go get his
experience and then post.
Or even mine.....
And, yes, you can taint his character with BS
comments from
inexperienced pilots who have never been in harms
way.
Terry Watson wrote:
>
<terry(at)tcwatson.com>
>
> OK, I should know better by now, but I must
disagree. I am with you right up
> to "PLEASE - do not taint this mans character with
Monday morning BS." There
> is no way we can "taint this man's character," but
we might be able to save
> someone else's butt by discussing what MIGHT have
happened. If you were a
> USAF pilot you must know how much effort goes into
investigating and
> discussing accidents for the express purpose of
trying to prevent others
> from falling into the same trap. Slamming the door
on any discussion of an
> accident that cost the life of such a competent
pilot does a great
> disservice to the cause of safe flying and doesn't
help anyone's reputation.
>
> "Nuff said"?? No way. Lets honor the man by
learning from what cost him his
> life.
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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dan(at)rdan.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
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Brovo Bob !
rest in peace Scott and Eustace,
Dan -8
Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> wrote:
I would like to interrupt the developing flame war just long enough to say
how much I admire the Greatest Generation. That includes, of course, Mr.
Crossfield.
When they came up with the phrase "he's got balls," it was for guys like him
and, frankly, thousands of men and women of his generation who are passing
from our lives every day.
I am always saddened, of course, when one passes. I look at my generation
(the Baby Boomers) and the one following it and I know we have not been or
acted worthy of what they handed over to us. And we could, never, ever
sacrifice in this day and age the way that one did. And that makes me sadder
still.
On the day of his death, I won't pollute his memory by thinking of anything
other than remembering him and his generation for what they gave me and this
country.
Will the circumstances of his death somehow help make me a better pilot. I
could not possibly care less. On this day, it's more important for me,
personally, to reflect on whether his life will help make me a better
person.
On this day, I'd also like to remember another member of the Greatest
Generation who passed today. Eustace Bohay.
Resume.
Bob Collins
St. Paul
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vans-dragon(at)lapdragon.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: We lost Scott Crossfield today |
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As ogoodwin(at)comcast.net was saying:
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I'd have to guess that those who think it's neat to "die doing what he loved"
haven't been close to doing so.
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I composed and deleted several replies to this and several other replies on
this thread.
I finally came to the conclusion that this list really doesn't tolerate
differing points of view, and indeed those on this list act as if threatened
by them.
Thus after many years, I am unsubscribing. If I build an RV in the
future, I will strictly make use of the archives.
All the best,
-Kysh
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