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Jason Omelchuck

Joined: 07 May 2009
Posts: 120
Location: Portland Oregon

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:31 am Post subject: Video of playing low level over some fields

Hello All,



Close to my airport there is a large expanse of fields planted mostly in grass or other grass like crops.  I love to go out there and play around at low level.  Below is a link to a video for your viewing pleasure.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cZFfwQrZS4



Jason

MKIII

Portland, OR

slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:55 am Post subject: Video of playing low level over some fields

More fun if you have some big oak trees for pylons.

BB



On 18, May 2010, at 11:31 AM, Jason Omelchuck wrote:



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 Hello All,

 

 Close to my airport there is a large expanse of fields planted mostly in grass or other grass like crops.  I love to go out there and play around at low level.  Below is a link to a video for your viewing pleasure.

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cZFfwQrZS4

 

 Jason

 MKIII

 Portland, OR

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298072#298072

mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:35 am Post subject: Video of playing low level over some fields

Bob,



 



  Old, or bold, but not old & bold.    



 



Mike Welch

 

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 Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:54:39 -0400

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 More fun if you have some big oak trees for pylons.

 BB

 

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:01 am Post subject: Video of playing low level over some fields

How old do you have to be to qualify?

 Larry

  

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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:58 am Post subject: Video of playing low level over some fields

Larry,

  

   How old?  It's an "always adjustable" age.  It's just slightly older than me.

  

   Actually, if a guy insist on "bold" flying manuevers, he'll find out that the "old" comes a lot sooner than he thought!!

  

   After having done more than my share of stupid stunts, I am very lucky to still have all my fingers and toes, and eyes.  I have, though, spent way too much time "recuperating".

  

   If I haven't learned much before now, I'd hope that I've learned not to underestimate flying, and especially stupid mistakes while flying.

(PS.  I haven't seen Jason's video yet, and in NO way am I referring to whatever he did as stupid.  I was just throwing in the old expression....old, bold, but not both)

  

 Mike Welch 

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To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields

Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 11:59:54 -0600



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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject: Video of playing low level over some fields

First let me give a disclaimer: I am in no way  attempting to get under anyone's skin, or belittle any ones thoughts. However I  think there is a bit of misconception at work here, as follows - 

  

 Most of the things that we use as a guide to flying  Kolbs are actually very valid when applied  to Spam Cans. That same video, if flown in a Cessna150 would very well  qualify as more than a bit reckless, when flown in a Kolb is only  exhilarating.  I would classify all of that terrain as a great landing  area. His only "challenge" would be to get the nose down when the engine quit so  that he didn't stall. For him to actually glide to a road or other suitable  "recognized" landing area, he would have to be somewhere around 1500 to 1000  feet, if not more.  My point is that the glide ratio of our planes is only  going to serve as a delaying tactic at best. In most cases, at least where I  fly, any more altitude than that required to set up to best glide is only  prolonging the suspense. 

  

 A GA plane's purpose is to go places fast. What  ever fun and excitement that you can achieve with that is its only reward. Kolbs  however, are designed to be fun to fly, low and slow (comparatively). Their  purpose is not in long distance, however there are always over achievers in any  sport, right John? Their purpose is in the exhilaration of flight, and as such  what would be carelessness in a 150 is merely exciting in a Kolb. 

  

 Now I of course realize the danger in flying where  there are no landing areas. I still look for the best spot even so, but if there  are none, and that bothers you, stay in the pattern at the airport. I have  to admit that I am an adrenalin junky, and some day you may read that I am no  longer among you. I accept that, there is a cost for everything that is worth  while. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iSiJGg4FhM    Now this video, would qualify for the "Old Bold" statement. However, even had I  been at less than 5000 feet agl, I still would end up in a Sage bush somewhere,  it would just take longer to get there.

  

 Larry, semi old!

  

  

  

  

  

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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject: Video of playing low level over some fields

Thanks, very nice ultralight flying, the kind I  enjoy. Pete

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Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields

This is the kind of flying I do during the winter over frozen lakes. I don't worry about powerlines over frozen lakes. During the summer months, there are towers and and other objects to be concerned with over land areas. It is true that slower aircraft have time to react to such things. PPC pilots fly low all the time, but there have been a few that have hit lines. I know of one that flew over an electrical substation and the backup generator exhaust just happened to kick in as he was flying over and deflated his chute. He ended up in the substation and luckily he wasn't electrocuted. Another danger in flying low is forgetting about your wings. In a bank, a wing could catch on something and cause the plane to cartwheel. Isn't this what happened to John Williamson?



Ralph

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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: Video of playing low level over some fields

Larry, guys,

  

   After I posted my last post, I went and watched Jason's video.  Personally, I wouldn't classify his flying as "bold".   At least, it's not, in my opinion.  I'd call it more like a "heckava good time".  I did something almost identical to his low-level flying with an instructor in a Flight Star (me flying, and quite a bit lower).  At any rate, it was fun!!!!

  Being in COMPLETE control of an airplane, even if by some standards as risky, doesn't mean it is entirely unsafe.

   If Jason were to lose engine power, at most, he'd probably just destroy his plane.

  

   For my understanding of "bold", I'd say it includes most acts that could usually be described as "stupid"........after the fact.

  

 Best regards,

 Mike Welch 

  From: lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields

Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:13:15 -0600



  .ExternalClass .ecxhmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass BODY.ecxhmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;}   First let me give a disclaimer: I am in no way attempting to get under anyone's skin, or belittle any ones thoughts. However I think there is a bit of misconception at work here, as follows - 

  

 Most of the things that we use as a guide to flying Kolbs are actually very valid when applied to Spam Cans. That same video, if flown in a Cessna150 would very well qualify as more than a bit reckless, when flown in a Kolb is only exhilarating.  I would classify all of that terrain as a great landing area. His only "challenge" would be to get the nose down when the engine quit so that he didn't stall. For him to actually glide to a road or other suitable "recognized" landing area, he would have to be somewhere around 1500 to 1000 feet, if not more.  My point is that the glide ratio of our planes is only going to serve as a delaying tactic at best. In most cases, at least where I fly, any more altitude than that required to set up to best glide is only prolonging the suspense. 

  

 A GA plane's purpose is to go places fast. What ever fun and excitement that you can achieve with that is its only reward. Kolbs however, are designed to be fun to fly, low and slow (comparatively). Their purpose is not in long distance, however there are always over achievers in any sport, right John? Their purpose is in the exhilaration of flight, and as such what would be carelessness in a 150 is merely exciting in a Kolb. 

  

 Now I of course realize the danger in flying where there are no landing areas. I still look for the best spot even so, but if there are none, and that bothers you, stay in the pattern at the airport. I have to admit that I am an adrenalin junky, and some day you may read that I am no longer among you. I accept that, there is a cost for everything that is worth while. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iSiJGg4FhM   Now this video, would qualify for the "Old Bold" statement. However, even had I been at less than 5000 feet agl, I still would end up in a Sage bush somewhere, it would just take longer to get there.

  

 Larry, semi old!

  

  

  

  

  

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Jason Omelchuck

Joined: 07 May 2009
Posts: 120
Location: Portland Oregon

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields

Hello All,



We have a pretty wide river here and it is lined on both sides by trees.  Last year I was feeling my oats and decided to fly down it at low level.  I did that for about 1/2 mile and it dawned on me that if the engine quit, I would loose everything I have worked for for 15 years (thats how long it took me to build my airplane).  I do not have the means to replace it and I immediately climbed out from between the trees and went over to play in my nice safe field.  



Not Bold

Jason

MKIII

Portland, OR

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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: Video of playing low level over some fields

Larry, I think it's being non-bold that counts the most.Russ

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On May 18, 2010, at 1:59 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:

[quote]How old do you have to be to qualify?

Larry

 

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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: Video of playing low level over some fields

Like a buddy of mine said when we were doing hover practice in the Hughes 269,"just a sneeze away from disaster"   

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On 18, May 2010, at 8:16 PM, Mike Welch wrote:

[quote]Larry, guys,

 

  After I posted my last post, I went and watched Jason's video.  Personally, I wouldn't classify his flying as "bold".   At least, it's not, in my opinion.  I'd call it more like a "heckava good time".  I did something almost identical to his low-level flying with an instructor in a Flight Star (me flying, and quite a bit lower).  At any rate, it was fun!!!!

  Being in COMPLETE control of an airplane, even if by some standards as risky, doesn't mean it is entirely unsafe.

  If Jason were to lose engine power, at most, he'd probably just destroy his plane.

 

  For my understanding of "bold", I'd say it includes most acts that could usually be described as "stupid"........after the fact.

 

Best regards,

Mike Welch 



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Jim ODay

Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Posts: 61
Location: Fargo North Dakota

Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Video of playing low level over some fields

When I watched the 180's back to the runway, I puckered up a bit.  When I watched this one it was more enjoyable but still had some puckering going on.  



I realized in my years of flying, the only time I intentionally fly that low is when I am climbing out or getting ready to land.



I love cruising around the country side of the flat lands of ND at 500' and over lakes (I am a good swimmer) but 500' has been my floor, and only in a slow moving light plane.  



I just logged my 5,000th hour at 14,000' yesterday afternoon in my multi-engine spam can flying machine.  Logged the next hour last night in my Citabria for fun, and yep I took it down to 500 AGL over a nice long MN lake, but got spooked upward by a flock of ducks.  



I lecture my son all the time about setting limits when he flies and stick with them.  Recreational GA flying is very very safe, except when in close proximity to the ground, and close to the ground is for take off and landing. I tell him he has a license to learn, but to do his learning with a  good amount of buffer above the ground.  Only my opinion.



I guess I am getting old tend to be more rigid with age (not just my joints).  But I still learn something new about flying every time I launch.  



Still enjoy the list even though my FSII has been gone now for over a year.  



Fly Safe Kolb Buddies,



Jim

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