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Speedy11(at)aol.com
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 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:57 am Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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Dan and Danny,
I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too far a drive for you.
If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys.
Stan Sutterfield
RV-8A finished in Jun 09
www.rv-8a.net
| Quote: | Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic her
e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha
ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www
.flycleanex.com Im sure i will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman |
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danweseman(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 11:55 am Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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Hi Stan , By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a 25 minute flight in my current homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or put me in touch . Thanks
Dan Weseman
904 529 9562
danweseman(at)yahoo.com
www.flycleanex.com
www.fly5thbearing.com
From: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com>
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com; danweseman(at)yahoo.com
Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Dan and Danny,
I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too far a drive for you.
If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys.
Stan Sutterfield
RV-8A finished in Jun 09
www.rv-8a.net
| Quote: | Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic her
e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha
ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www
.flycleanex.com Im sure i will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman |
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smokyray(at)rocketmail.co
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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Dan,
Youre always welcome to look over my "classic" HR2 for building tips, maybe a Jax area Rocket fly-in is in order:) to quote John "everywhere is close when you have a Harmon Rocket"!
Smokey
Sent from my iPhone
On May 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com (danweseman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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Hi Stan , By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a 25 minute flight in my current homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or put me in touch . Thanks
Dan Weseman
904 529 9562
danweseman(at)yahoo.com (danweseman(at)yahoo.com)
www.flycleanex.com
www.fly5thbearing.com
From: "Speedy11(at)aol.com (Speedy11(at)aol.com)" <Speedy11(at)aol.com (Speedy11(at)aol.com)>
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Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Dan and Danny,
I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too far a drive for you.
If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys.
Stan Sutterfield
RV-8A finished in Jun 09
www.rv-8a.net
| Quote: | Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic her
e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha
ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www
.flycleanex.com Im sure i will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman |
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danweseman(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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Ok A North FL Rocket flyin is on ! I dont think i will have time to do it pre Oshkosh though So how about early fall? That brings up ...what dose the Rocket group do at Oshkosh ? I will see what works and get it going. Roby I would love to fly down in the next few weeks and take a bunch of photos of various details? Thanks
Dan Weseman
danweseman(at)yahoo.com
www.flycleanex.com
www.fly5thbearing.com
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
To: "rocket-list(at)matronics.com" <rocket-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 7:37:26 PM
Subject: Re: Re: New Rocket Builder
Dan,
Youre always welcome to look over my "classic" HR2 for building tips, maybe a Jax area Rocket fly-in is in order:) to quote John "everywhere is close when you have a Harmon Rocket"!
Smokey
Sent from my iPhone
On May 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com (danweseman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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Hi Stan , By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a 25 minute flight in my current homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or put me in touch . Thanks
Dan Weseman
904 529 9562
danweseman(at)yahoo.com (danweseman(at)yahoo.com)
www.flycleanex.com
www.fly5thbearing.com
From: "Speedy11(at)aol.com (Speedy11(at)aol.com)" <Speedy11(at)aol.com (Speedy11(at)aol.com)>
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com (rocket-list(at)matronics.com); [url=mailto:danweseman(at)yahoo.com]danweseman(at)yahoo.com (danweseman(at)yahoo.com)[/url]
Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Dan and Danny,
I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too far a drive for you.
If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys.
Stan Sutterfield
RV-8A finished in Jun 09
www.rv-8a.net
| Quote: | Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic her
e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha
ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www
.flycleanex.com Im sure i will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman |
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ernest(at)flmitigation.co
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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I am in Jax, let me know if you plan a get together.
Ernest Hale
N540HB
On 5/23/10 7:37 PM, "Rob Ray" <[url=smokyray(at)rocketmail.com]smokyray(at)rocketmail.com[/url]> wrote:
[quote]Dan,
Youre always welcome to look over my "classic" HR2 for building tips, maybe a Jax area Rocket fly-in is in order:) to quote John "everywhere is close when you have a Harmon Rocket"!
Smokey
Sent from my iPhone
On May 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Daniel Weseman <[url=danweseman(at)yahoo.com]danweseman(at)yahoo.com[/url]> wrote:
| Quote: | Hi Stan , By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a 25 minute flight in my current homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or put me in touch . Thanks
Dan Weseman
904 529 9562
[url=danweseman(at)yahoo.com]danweseman(at)yahoo.com[/url]
www.flycleanex.com
www.fly5thbearing.com
From: "[url=Speedy11(at)aol.com]Speedy11(at)aol.com[/url]" <[url=Speedy11(at)aol.com]Speedy11(at)aol.com[/url]>
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Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Dan and Danny,
I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too far a drive for you.
If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys.
Stan Sutterfield
RV-8A finished in Jun 09
www.rv-8a.net <http://www.rv-8a.net> <http://www.rv-8a.net>
| Quote: | Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic her
e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha
ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www
.flycleanex.com <http://flycleanex.com> <http://flycleanex.com> Im sure i will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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I'm hoping to have N14ZM back together and flying in the next 2 weeks or so. A short trip North would be a good shake down.
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
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Lee Logan
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| Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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Danny: Hadn't heard that you had your airplane "down". What did you do to it?
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:31 am Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was time to try and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autopilot and changed the stick to 4130.
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 9:16 am Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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Hi Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also could you detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 empenage with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several reinforcements to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any info would be great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info on how it happens etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface skins ? Thanks for any advice / pictures
Dan Weseman
danweseman(at)yahoo.com
www.flycleanex.com
www.fly5thbearing.com
From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com>
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM
Subject: Re: Re: New Rocket Builder
I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was time to try and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autopilot and changed the stick to 4130.
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
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Speedy11(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 9:54 am Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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Yes - Spruce Creek. I didn't know you already had a flying plane. Hop down sometime. There are several HRs here and at least two Rockets under construction. There's a nice restaurant on the airport that serves a great meal - breakfast, lunch or dinner. So, the trip is worthwhile even if you don't see any Rockets (but you will).
I'm on vacation this week and could show you around Tues or Wed afternoon.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
813-732-7369
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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I'm still building my first HR-II, so I don't have any real-life experience with tail shake. However, based on information from the F1 blog, I have added HS skin stiffeners and a HS spar reinforcement to the thick-skinned -4 tail.
Here are the details: http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/empennage.htm
Vern Little
RV-9A (flying 4+ years)
HR-II (getting ready to close wings and fuselage)
From: Daniel Weseman (danweseman(at)yahoo.com)
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:15 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com (rocket-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: New Rocket Builder
Hi Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also could you detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 empenage with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several reinforcements to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any info would be great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info on how it happens etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface skins ? Thanks for any advice / pictures
Dan Weseman
danweseman(at)yahoo.com
www.flycleanex.com
www.fly5thbearing.com
From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com>
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM
Subject: Re: Re: New Rocket Builder
I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was time to try and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autopilot and changed the stick to 4130.
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
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From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Rocket Builder
Danny: Hadn't heard that you had your airplane "down". What did you do to it?
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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Dan, I have never had tail shake on my HR2 nor have I ever heard of it on an HR2 with RV4 empennage. Mine is an early one (95") It has an RV4 tail with .020 tail feathers. Two-twenty on the knots indicated, no worries. I fly final into my 1400" strip at 65 indicated, no shake there either:)
Smokey
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On May 24, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com (danweseman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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Hi Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also could you detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 empenage with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several reinforcements to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any info would be great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info on how it happens etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface skins ? Thanks for any advice / pictures
Dan Weseman
danweseman(at)yahoo.com (danweseman(at)yahoo.com)
www.flycleanex.com
www.fly5thbearing.com
From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com>
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM
Subject: Re: Re: New Rocket Builder
I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was time to try and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autopilot and changed the stick to 4130.
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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You're always on top of things, Danny! I look forward to hearing you're back in the air! I'll be changing my stick to 4130, soon...
Lee...
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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He Lee, I missed the 4130 stick story, why you changing it. Did you bend yours in an 8 G Hornet pull?
Jim Stone
Louisville
PS Ben Cunningham is getting close to first flight with new engine (Lyc).
On May 24, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Lee Logan wrote:
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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How fast do you fellows have to fly to get the tail to shake?
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I'm still building my first HR-II, so I don't have any real-life experience with tail shake. However, based on information from the F1 blog, I have added HS skin stiffeners and a HS spar reinforcement to the thick-skinned -4 tail.
Here are the details: http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/empennage.htm
Vern Little
RV-9A (flying 4+ years)
HR-II (getting ready to close wings and fuselage)
From: Daniel Weseman (danweseman(at)yahoo.com)
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:15 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com (rocket-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: New Rocket Builder
Hi Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also could you detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 empenage with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several reinforcements to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any info would be great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info on how it happens etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface skins ? Thanks for any advice / pictures
Dan Weseman
danweseman(at)yahoo.com
www.flycleanex.com
www.fly5thbearing.com
From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com>
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder
I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was time to try and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autopilot and changed the stick to 4130.
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
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From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Rocket Builder
Danny: Hadn't heard that you had your airplane "down". What did you do to it?
Lee...
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 1:05 pm Post subject: New Rocket Builder |
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With respect to the stick issue, there was a recent fatal Rocket accident in which it is alleged that the stick broke. The sticks in F1 Rockets are aluminum and in most installations require a hole to be drilled toward the bottom for the stick grip wiring to exit. It has been suggested that the orientation of that hole and the aluminum material can combine to weaken the stick the point that it is unsafe. Most RV's have 4130 steel sticks. Soooo...a number of guys have been talking about replacing their sticks with 4130. I'm not in a hurry, but will surely do it at annual time in August this year. The stick loads on my Rocket do seem a bit high to me (compared to my old RV-4), but that is probably a good thing... considering....!!!
That is great news about Bosco! I'm really happy for him... please let ask him to be sure to let me know when he flies it for the first time, although I will probably see it on the Doug Reeves site. I'm sure he'll be a happy camper!!
Regards,
Lee...
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