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Albert Gardner
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 Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: HID Landing Lights |
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I was very unhappy with the standard wing tip landing lights because they
were not very bright and did not light up the yellow strip in front of the
plane. I bought a pair of HID Lights from Rigid Industries of Arizona, Mesa,
AZ and they work very, very well. Direct replacement for Vans lamps, and the
power supply is small and easily mounts to the last rib. Very bright and
lights up the area directly in front.
Tower says I look like an airliner on approach.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:35 am Post subject: HID Landing Lights |
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Albert
Thanks for letting everyone know. That's exactly what I am planning on
doing. Did you go with the 35w or 50w unit.
John G. Cumins
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: HID Landing Lights |
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Albert,
I looked at Rigid website. The pictures show plugs on the lights. Do they
match the Vans wiring harness?
David C. Watterson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject: HID Landing Lights |
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I'm using the 50W lights in my wingtips too.
I'm also using the XeVision wig wag. Works like a champ.
I have Archer antennas in the tips, comm 2 on the right, nav 1&2 on the left.
The lights and the antennas don't play well together. The antennas pick up a lot of noise from the lights. When I remove a wingtip and separate the components, all is well.
I tried all the suggestions that Rigid had: isolated the transformer, grounded the transformer case, shielded the lights, various combinations and other things as well. No luck.
The good news is that the lights are so awesome that I can live with the problem. They make the halogens look just plain silly. The navs work within about 5 miles of the station, and if I really need comm2 I can shut the lights off.
BTW, don't put any dark colored flammable materials within about 10" of the lamp...
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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My aircraft is the one shown on the website.
http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject: HID Landing Lights |
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Just another experience. While the lights are much brighter and work very well once on, I was extremely disappointed with the quality of the system. I installed a set and every time they were turned on they drew the system voltage down so low just instantaneously and caused the TruTrak Sorcerer to reboot. This is a very bad thing to have happen in the landing environment when coupled on an approach in IMC. It wasn't until we went with the certified/expensive Lopresti system (the experimental/cheaper Lopresti system had the same problem) in the wingtip that this problem was solved. We tried everything from running directly from the battery with 14AWG wire and nothing helped it. I am sure it has something to do with the power supply in the Sorcerer, but we tried 2 or 3 different programmers and they all had the same problem.
YMMV, but be aware that the quality of these lights reflects the great price.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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I was very unhappy with the standard wing tip landing lights because they
were not very bright and did not light up the yellow strip in front of the
plane. I bought a pair of HID Lights from Rigid Industries of Arizona, Mesa,
AZ and they work very, very well. Direct replacement for Vans lamps, and the
power supply is small and easily mounts to the last rib. Very bright and
lights up the area directly in front.
Tower says I look like an airliner on approach.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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Albert Gardner
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Yuma, AZ
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject: HID Landing Lights |
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I didn't use the Van's harness so I don't know. I think on mine I used a 2
wire molex connector.
Albert
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Albert Gardner
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject: HID Landing Lights |
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I used the 50W lamps. I'm very happy with the setup.
Albert
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I will check the VOR reception; I have archer antenna in right wingtip and SL30 and have noticed no problem but i will check with HID lights on. I have had no interference with the Com.
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Albert Gardner
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject: HID Landing Lights |
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Since I've gotten older and suffered some high freq hearing loss most rfi doesn't bother me nearly as much. My passengers seem to hear a whine on occasion but I ignore them. I tell them the only time I hear a whine is when they open their mouths. Saw your folks at lunch yesterday.
Albert
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:55 PM
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Subject: Re: HID Landing Lights
I'm using the 50W lights in my wingtips too.
I'm also using the XeVision wig wag. Works like a champ.
I have Archer antennas in the tips, comm 2 on the right, nav 1&2 on the left.
The lights and the antennas don't play well together. The antennas pick up a lot of noise from the lights. When I remove a wingtip and separate the components, all is well.
I tried all the suggestions that Rigid had: isolated the transformer, grounded the transformer case, shielded the lights, various combinations and other things as well. No luck.
The good news is that the lights are so awesome that I can live with the problem. They make the halogens look just plain silly. The navs work within about 5 miles of the station, and if I really need comm2 I can shut the lights off.
BTW, don't put any dark colored flammable materials within about 10" of the lamp...
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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My aircraft is the one shown on the website.
http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661
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Albert Gardner
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Yuma, AZ
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject: HID Landing Lights |
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I had several people contact me directly about my post so I'll copy my reply here. I installed mine like the install pictures on their webpage
http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661
and it was very simple to do. I did not oval out the mounting plate however but I'm satisfied with the results. If you fly at night I'll bet you cuss the factory setup.
I didn't use van's wiring harness so I don't know if the plugs on the landing lights match van's or not.
Albert Gardner
I did the retrofit on my plane after I had been flying for about a year. You have to remove the wingtip, the new bulbs are a direct replacement for the ones Van's supplies, and then mount the HID power supply somewhere. It is about the size of a thin paperback book and I attached mine to the exterior of the wingtip rib near the spar with some #8 machine screws. I used the landing light wire to power the power supply. Wish I had taken some pictures but it was a very simple job. Unscrewing the wingtip was the biggest part of it.
Albert
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also mine run much cooler than the halogen.
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Planelights
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| Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: HID Landing Lights |
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Albert,
Glad to hear you are happy with the system.
All our systems come with wire pigtail adapters that you splice into your stock wiring however you would like. We always suggest solder and shrink wrap although but connectors work just fine. The plugs between the ballast and the bulbs are high voltage plugs and wire, don't cut those, ever!
There will be a current surge in any HID system. It doesn't matter if you use a Xevision, lopresti or ours. We recommend using at least 14ga wire out to the wings to be on the safe side. Each 50w light (at) 14v will pull about 7a for 10 sec. Once the lights are warm, the power draw will stabilize about 4-4.5a. We have done all we can to shield the circuitry and use shielded HV wire, but 23,000v will cause a little interference. The only way to solve that is a very expensive D1S bulb with the igniter built onto the back of bulb. Xevison makes a very nice system, but you are going to pay quite a bit to get the same light output. With a couple precautions almost all the RFI noise can be eliminated for 1/4 the price.
We have sold close to 500 MR16 sets over the last 3 years and only 1 set has ever knocked an autopilot off. If by some fluke you are the second, we will be glad to give you a refund, just as we did for Jesse.
I am not on here very often so if you have questions please email me via the link on the website.
Thanks
Steve(Planelights/Rigid)
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Tim Olson
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The Duckwrorks system that I and many other earlier fliers
put in is this DS1 style bulb. I actually picked them
for that reason, because after doing the research I knew DS1
would be the way to go.
http://duckworksav.com/LELightKits.html#HID
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Albert,
Glad to hear you are happy with the system.
All our systems come with wire pigtail adapters that you splice into your stock wiring however you would like. We always suggest solder and shrink wrap although but connectors work just fine. The plugs between the ballast and the bulbs are high voltage plugs and wire, don't cut those, ever!
There will be a current surge in any HID system. It doesn't matter if you use a Xevision, lopresti or ours. We recommend using at least 14ga wire out to the wings to be on the safe side. Each 50w light (at) 14v will pull about 7a for 10 sec. Once the lights are warm, the power draw will stabilize about 4-4.5a. We have done all we can to shield the circuitry and use shielded HV wire, but 23,000v will cause a little interference. The only way to solve that is a very expensive D1S bulb with the igniter built onto the back of bulb. Xevison makes a very nice system, but you are going to pay quite a bit to get the same light output. With a couple precautions almost all the RFI noise can be eliminated for 1/4 the price.
We have sold close to 500 MR16 sets over the last 3 years and only 1 set has ever knocked an autopilot off. If by some fluke you are the second, we will be glad to give you a refund, just as we did for Jesse.
I am not on here very often so if you have questions please email me via the link on the website.
Thanks
Steve(Planelights/Rigid)
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velo
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:56 am Post subject: HID Landing Lights |
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We also bought the Planelights 50W lights. Although we haven’t flown yet, they seem to be much brighter than the stock Van’s lights. We bought them last year and when we went to install them, last month, one of the lights didn’t work. I called Planelights and they sent me a new light, no questions asked. Great service!!! We had the DAR inspection a few weeks ago, the instruments passed IFR, and the engine started on the first turn. High speed taxi test this weekend and first flight next week.
Rick Barnes
Mike Howe
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Subject: Re: HID Landing Lights
also mine run much cooler than the halogen.
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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: HID Landing Lights
I'm using the 50W lights in my wingtips too.
I'm also using the XeVision wig wag. Works like a champ.
I have Archer antennas in the tips, comm 2 on the right, nav 1&2 on the left.
The lights and the antennas don't play well together. The antennas pick up a lot of noise from the lights. When I remove a wingtip and separate the components, all is well.
I tried all the suggestions that Rigid had: isolated the transformer, grounded the transformer case, shielded the lights, various combinations and other things as well. No luck.
The good news is that the lights are so awesome that I can live with the problem. They make the halogens look just plain silly. The navs work within about 5 miles of the station, and if I really need comm2 I can shut the lights off.
BTW, don't put any dark colored flammable materials within about 10" of the lamp...
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:47 PM, DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
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My aircraft is the one shown on the website.
http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: Re: HID Landing Lights |
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I put in bilateral Duckworks 50w in the leading edge of wings--great light--during day towers think it's a turbo airline arriving. No RF problem. I think in retrospect I would have also put in Vans landing lights in the wing tips --I don't think you can have too much light--I fly off grass and at night any extra light is helpful. Advantage of lights in leading edge is that the wing tip lights get shadowed by the wing itself and don't do as good a job for landing. IMHO larry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:49 am Post subject: Re: HID Landing Lights |
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I'll jump in here with my 2 cents. I have a set of the Plane Lights HIDs in my tips. Each tip also has Bob Archer ants for VOR only.
The ballasts are easy to mount. The power connector to the ballast certainly won't match Vans anything so expect to splice one side of the connector to whatever existing wiring you have.
The ballast high tension output wire carries K-Volts and comes with special shielding and connectors. The output pigtail is maybe 12" and includes a hard-to-mount inline black rectangular plastic box. I RTV'ed the external box to the rib. I may go back and add an additional support bracket before flying.
I don't recall my lights coming with any directions, but that may have changed since as it's been a while.
Be warned that adding a do-it-yourself splice to extend the output side wire length is asking for trouble down the road (don't ask, but thanks for pointing that out Bob). 3 foot long wire extensions are available from the vendor, but you really don't need them if you mount the ballast far enough forward on the outboard rib.
The HID bulb assembly is a drop in replacement into the Vans standard lighting mount. The assembly includes integrated bulb, reflector, ceramic mount, ~8" high tension wires and special connectors. The bulb itself is not removable from the rest of the assembly.
The lights work as advertised. Bright as heck. I'm not flying and haven't hooked up radios so the jury is out on how well the solution works. Can always pull them out if the HF interferes with other electro-goodies.
Jay
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Kellym
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| Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:04 am Post subject: HID Landing Lights |
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Please consider either skipping the high-speed taxi, or plan and be
prepared that it might very well be your first flight. The plane
accelerates very rapidly, and could easily surprise you into getting
above lift off speed. IIRC the EAA now advocates against high speed taxi
tests due to significant number of mishaps.
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We had the DAR inspection a few weeks ago, High speed taxi test
this weekend and first flight next week.
Rick Barnes
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Thanks for the insight. I noticed during the transition training the plane
wants to fly at very low speeds.
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