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rleffler

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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:55 am Post subject: Finish Kit Surpise

My finish kit arrived yesterday.    I was surprised by the gray primer on the cowl.  I guess that’s something new Van’s is doing these days.

 

bob

 

 

 

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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:43 am Post subject: Finish Kit Surpise

Looks like a nice get coat.  Shucks we can’t make comments about your pink plane.  

   

Gary Specketer  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler

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My finish kit arrived yesterday.    I was surprised by the gray primer on the cowl.  I guess that’s something new Van’s is doing these days.  

   

bob  

   

   

   

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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:49 am Post subject: Finish Kit Surpise

Not sure if this is the same, but the more modern composite plane manufacturers are spraying a coat of primer into the mold before the layup/cloth or pre-preg is laid in.  This is not a gel-coat (gel coat is polyester based and won’t stick to a pure epoxy matrix), but is instead a primer layer.  Having it be the first layer in the mold layup does many things:  1) pre-primes the part for the builder J, 2) pre-fills the pinholes in a way that won’t allow them to reappear later J J, 3) provides a sure bond between the primer and epoxy matrix since the epoxy cures to it.  

   

If this is what Van’s is doing now – great!  

   

John Melchert  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary

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Looks like a nice get coat.  Shucks we can’t make comments about your pink plane.  

   

Gary Specketer  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler

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My finish kit arrived yesterday.    I was surprised by the gray primer on the cowl.  I guess that’s something new Van’s is doing these days.  

   

bob  

   

   

   

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Bob Turner

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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:24 am Post subject: Re: Finish Kit Surpise

I wonder if Vans has changed vendors for the cowl. I am generally pleased with the kit, but I thought the QC on the cowl was lacking.

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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: Finish Kit Surpise

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		   I thought the QC on the cowl was lacking<

Spoken like a builder that hasn't worked with the canopy yet! Talk about
	


crappy fiberglass. I would definitely pay extra for much more finished

glass parts. I decided to paint my interior canopy vs. headliner and it

takes a lot of filler and sanding to get the canopy paint ready inside &

out.



Robin

Do Not Archive



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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: Finish Kit Surpise

Item #2 is not necessarily true, you just might not be able to see the pinholes and larger void, but that doesn't mean they aren't there.

  

 The Nomex, honey comb sandwich material in the cowl certainly can allow for huge voids where the edge of the honeycomb is keeping the first layer of glass against the mold, but the area in the middle of the cell structure allows the glass to come off the mold, thus the alligator scale like skin.

 

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Not sure if this is the same, but the more modern composite plane manufacturers are spraying a coat of primer into the mold before the layup/cloth or pre-preg is laid in.  This is not a gel-coat (gel coat is polyester based and won’t stick to a pure epoxy matrix), but is instead a primer layer.  Having it be the first layer in the mold layup does many things:  1) pre-primes the part for the builder J, 2) pre-fills the pinholes in a way that won’t allow them to reappear later J J, 3) provides a sure bond between the primer and epoxy matrix since the epoxy cures to it. 

  

If this is what Van’s is doing now – great! 

  

John Melchert 

    

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary

Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:42 AM

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Subject: RE: Finish Kit Surpise



 

  

Looks like a nice get coat.  Shucks we can’t make comments about your pink plane. 

  

Gary Specketer 

     

 

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Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:55 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Finish Kit Surpise

 

  

  

My finish kit arrived yesterday.    I was surprised by the gray primer on the cowl.  I guess that’s something new Van’s is doing these days. 

  

bob 

  

  

  

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Bob Turner

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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Finish Kit Surpise

Robin: Actually my cabin is done; I thought the QC on the cowl was worse. The cabin area issues were cosmetic; the cowl issues structural.  The foam/glass reinforcement was placed too far aft. I had to remove some, and then reinforce what was left.

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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:41 pm Post subject: Finish Kit Surpise

And what paint are you using inside the cabin

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		  I thought the QC on the cowl was lacking<

    	
   Spoken like a builder that hasn't worked with the canopy yet! Talk about crappy fiberglass. I would definitely pay extra for much more finished glass parts. I decided to paint my interior canopy vs. headliner and it takes a lot of filler and sanding to get the canopy paint ready inside & out.  Robin Do Not Archive  --

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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:53 pm Post subject: Finish Kit Surpise

Lynn, it has been almost 2 years now. I am sorry I don’t recall what paint was used but it turned out terrific and I really like the simplicity of the painted cabin after 155 hours. If I didn’t have an OH console with its complex angles, switches, openings & eyeball vents I would have used a headliner.   

   

Good luck,  

Robin   

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Linn Walters

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And what paint are you using inside the cabin

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