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icubob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:57 pm Post subject: labeling panel

hi all,

   i am ready to label switches etc. on my grey panel. i am using white letters on a clear tape. what works best to keep the tapes ''level''? masking tape or a light pencil mark  maybe? how far below the switch as a rule of thumb? and the best way to remove the pencil line if that is the way to go? 

   any info appreciated. bob noffs

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longg(at)pjm.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:47 am Post subject: labeling panel

Bob,



It depends. If you have room set a laser level next to the panel. You

could also you a chalk line (that's what I did). My problem is my

fingers are still crooked.



Glenn E. Long



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jonlaury

Joined: 06 Nov 2006
Posts: 336

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: Re: labeling panel

Bob,

Consider making your own decals. There are internet offerings for water-slide decal paper, on which you can print any lable you like from your computer printer. And then overspray with a clear acrylic. I had problems using laser printed decals, so I'd go with ink jet. The Laser toner is essentially melted crayon (wax) and the clear sprays shrink away from it.



Also, there is a product called EZScreenPrint (ezscreenprint.com), which is a silk screening process. I just received it so I'll post my experience with it in the next few days. It uses a frameless screen that you can put your artwork on and then tape in place and squeegee paint through. It is the most durable way to go, but a little more involved.



John

skywagon

Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Posts: 184

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:53 am Post subject: labeling panel

John,

I for one will be very interested in more of your detailed comments 

concerning panel marking processes. Thanks for the tips.... David

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james(at)etravel.org
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject: labeling panel

Bob,



If you're not already committed to panel labelling... I've had really

neat results using custom Letraset.  I don't know if you have this

stuff where you are -- it's rub-on lettering in sheets.  Anyway, they

also do custom sheets.  You upload your artwork and they send you a

sheet of transfers.  Brilliant stuff.



It's not cheap -- about Â£75 for an A4 sheet -- but then again it's

probably a lot cheaper than custom engraving, say.  I fitted all the

panel lettering, warnings, reference speeds, lines, boxes, placards,

etc. onto one sheet.



http://www.letraset.com/design/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=130&cat=Colour



(Photo of switch panel attached FYI)



Once you've applied the lettering, etc., a coat of lacquer fixes the

transfers.



James



On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:56 AM, bob noffs <icubob(at)gmail.com> wrote:

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		   hi all,

 Â  i am ready to label switches etc. on my grey panel. i am using white

 letters on a clear tape. what works best to keep the tapes ''level''?

 masking tape or a light pencil markÂ  maybe? how far below the switch as a

 rule of thumb? and the best way to remove the pencil line if that is the way

 to go?

 Â any info appreciated. bob noffs



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icubob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject: labeling panel

thanks to all the input. i can't imagine getting my list right for all the labels to be made at once. and one change or scratch and i would have to order more labels. so i am going with the brothers labeler with white letters on clear.

   bob noffs

 On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:33 PM, James Kilford <james(at)etravel.org (james(at)etravel.org)> wrote:

 [quote]Bob,

If you're not already committed to panel labelling... I've had really

neat results using custom Letraset.  I don't know if you have this

 stuff where you are -- it's rub-on lettering in sheets.  Anyway, they

also do custom sheets.  You upload your artwork and they send you a

sheet of transfers.  Brilliant stuff.

It's not cheap -- about £75 for an A4 sheet -- but then again it's

 probably a lot cheaper than custom engraving, say.  I fitted all the

panel lettering, warnings, reference speeds, lines, boxes, placards,

etc. onto one sheet.

http://www.letraset.com/design/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=130&cat=Colour

(Photo of switch panel attached FYI)

Once you've applied the lettering, etc., a coat of lacquer fixes the

transfers.

James

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:56 AM, bob noffs <icubob(at)gmail.com (icubob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   hi all,

   i am ready to label switches etc. on my grey panel. i am using white

 > letters on a clear tape. what works best to keep the tapes ''level''?

 	  Quote: 	
		   masking tape or a light pencil mark  maybe? how far below the switch as a

 rule of thumb? and the best way to remove the pencil line if that is the way

 > to go?

 	  Quote: 	
		    any info appreciated. bob noffs

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jonlaury

Joined: 06 Nov 2006
Posts: 336

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: Re: labeling panel

RE Silkscreening:



Earlier I said that I would post my experience with EZScreen Print.



After a trial and error learning curve, I wasn't satisfied with the results. The problem was somewhat self-inflicted as I was trying to print a fairly small font and the screen printing process has some limitations in how a finely detailed an image prints. I was trying  to do 16 pt and the edges were just not crisp enough for me. Larger block fonts of about 36 points look pretty good. They look nicely painted but not like computer print work. If I was doing large font work, I'd be happy with the look. It has more body, color vibrancy. Kind of like the difference between a beautifully rendered painting and a photo of the same subject.



So that said, I'm done with my experiment and if someone else would like to try it, $25 gets the $85 kit of Red, Blue, Black, White paint, squeegees, 1 full sheet and about 3/4 sheet (8.5 x 11) of the artwork ready Hi-Res screen, laser printer transparencies for artwork, and instructions.



Next experiment is vinyl decal with solvent based inks that should be compatible with the clear acrylic. Will post results.



For the EZSreen Print kit, Email me at jonlaury(at)impulse.net

retasker(at)optonline.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:54 am Post subject: labeling panel

Check out http://www.pulsarprofx.com/



You do need to find a heat sealer (or buy the one they sell), but the 

results are as good as they claim.  I did my panels with this and it 

came out great!  There is s bit of a learning curve at the start, but 

the kit provides plenty of material.  I did use a clear overcoat for 

additional durability, but it is not necessary in areas of minimum 

exposure - near switches, yes; general labeling on the main panel, not 

really.



Dick Tasker



jonlaury wrote:

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 RE Silkscreening:



 Earlier I said that I would post my experience with EZScreen Print.



 After a trial and error learning curve, I wasn't satisfied with the results. The problem was somewhat self-inflicted as I was trying to print a fairly small font and the screen printing process has some limitations in how a finely detailed an image prints. I was trying  to do 16 pt and the edges were just not crisp enough for me. Larger block fonts of about 36 points look pretty good. They look nicely painted but not like computer print work. If I was doing large font work, I'd be happy with the look. It has more body, color vibrancy. Kind of like the difference between a beautifully rendered painting and a photo of the same subject.



 So that said, I'm done with my experiment and if someone else would like to try it, $25 gets the $85 kit of Red, Blue, Black, White paint, squeegees, 1 full sheet and about 3/4 sheet (8.5 x 11) of the artwork ready Hi-Res screen, laser printer transparencies for artwork, and instructions.



 Next experiment is vinyl decal with solvent based inks that should be compatible with the clear acrylic. Will post results.



 For the EZSreen Print kit, Email me at jonlaury(at)impulse.net





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 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301004#301004



    


	


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bbradburry(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:28 am Post subject: labeling panel

The best way to label your panel that I have come across in the full sticky

back full sheet Avery labels.  They are clear #18665 or vellum like clear

#53203.  The sheets are 8.5 X 11 and are designed for ink jet printers.  I

made up my labels using Word and then printed the sheets and then cut apart

as needed and applied to the panel.  I even printed circles to correspond

with the switch holes in the panel which helped me to align the labels when

I applied to the panel.  Then I just cut out the holes with a razor knife

and installed the switches.  Looks pretty darn good if I do say so myself.

You can overspray them with clear lacquer if you feel you need to protect

them better.  Just keep the Word file and reprint if you want to replace or

change.  As it turns out, I am changing a lot of stuff and this makes that a

snap.



With a little planning, you can get the entire panel on 1 or 2 sheets and

then cut with a scissors and apply.



While you are getting everything to fit and align, you can print on regular

paper and hold it over the location on the panel to see if it fits and looks

like you want it to.



You can get 10 sheets of the clear (18665) for $13.  That is enough to label

the panel of everybody you know and still have some left for changes!



Hard to beat for the price!!



Bill B



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jimw_btg(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: labeling panel

Jon, 



Jim Wickert here.  Did you use the HR High Res screen the HiRes ink?  Or was

this the standard materials.  Thanks.



Jim Wickert

Tel 920-467-0219

Cell 920-912-1014

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jonlaury

Joined: 06 Nov 2006
Posts: 336

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: labeling panel

Jim,

I used the HiRes screens. I don't think there is a specific hi-res paint. The resolution is a function of the # of threads/inch in the warp and weft of the screen.



John

jonlaury

Joined: 06 Nov 2006
Posts: 336

Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: labeling panel

Bill Bradbury, 



Thanks for the heads-up re Avery sticky back sheets. I'm doing essentially the same thing through a graphics shop, but if that ends up going in the trash, then I'll try Avery next. Ink jet isn't as color fast as laser toner, but with a couple of clear coats, the effects of UV should be somewhat diminished. But the color fade was a concern and solvent based inks are more color fast than water based (ink jet) ink, so for $10 I gave it a shot.

jimw_btg(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:41 am Post subject: labeling panel

J0n,



Here is another approach I have been looking at that has been used by some

other builders and they have had great results.  I have not done it but they

say it works great.  http://www.pulsarprofx.com/  There are some actual

panel shots on this site.  Let me know your comments.  Take care happy

building



Jim Wickert

Tel 920-467-0219

Cell 920-912-1014

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Geoff Heap

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 266
Location: Lindenwold, New Jersey

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: labeling panel

Bill Bradburry. Hey Bill. I'm in the market for panel marking. Can we get a pic of your panel? Thanks....Geoff

bbradburry(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: labeling panel

Geoff,

I will have to take some and get them to you.

Bill B



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mrspudandcompany(at)veriz
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:54 am Post subject: labeling panel

Geoff,

I will have to take some and get them to you.

Bill B

	Bill,



		Please post on the forum.  I'm sure others are also

interested.



		Roger

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