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Jim Ballenger

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 18
Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:58 am Post subject: ETHANOL AS A FUEL ADDITIVE

Hello

In my part of the country, Hampton Roads in Virgina, they are switching from MTBE to ethanol as an additive in the fuel.  Do any of you have any experience using this kind of fuel? 

Thanks

Jim

MK3X

Virginia Beach, VA

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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: ETHANOL AS A FUEL ADDITIVE

Jim,  there is a May deadline for MTBE to be out of the mogas so 

ethanol will be

in all our supplies soon.  Two negative factors are reduced power 

output,  and

storage problems.  It is problematic for the transportation of gas in 

that

the ethanol cannot, for some reason, be added before pipeline 

transmission,

but has to be mixed at destination.

We should all be observant of our fuel properties this summer.

-BB

On 23, Apr 2006, at 6:58 AM, Jim Ballenger wrote:



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 Hello

 In my part of the country, Hampton Roads in Virgina, they are 

 switching from MTBE to ethanol as an additive in the fuel.  Do any of 

 you have any experience using this kind of fuel?

 Thanks

 Jim

 MK3X

 Virginia Beach, VA





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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject: ETHANOL AS A FUEL ADDITIVE

Jim,

 

They are changing over here in Delaware as we speak. My understanding is  

that Rotax says "no ethanol." GA pilots with auto gas STC's are in the same  boat.

 

Larry Tasker

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Jim Baker

Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Posts: 181
Location: Sayre, PA

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: ETHANOL AS A FUEL ADDITIVE

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		   It is problematic for the transportation of gas in 

 that

 the ethanol cannot, for some reason, be added before pipeline 

 transmission,

 but has to be mixed at destination.


	


When they send the various grades of gas down the pipeline, I'll give you one 

guess what they separate the grades with.......



Since ethanol is hygroscopic, that explains that.



Jim Baker

580.788.2779

Elmore City, OK

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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: ETHANOL AS A FUEL ADDITIVE

Jim, in Minnesota ethanol has been in the gas for many years and I have used it in my Rotax without any problems. Some stations offer ethanol-free gas for 20 cents/gallon over regular. I chose to use the ethanol-free gas.



Ralph



-- "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot(at)cavtel.net> wrote:




Hello

In my part of the country, Hampton Roads in Virgina, they are switching from MTBE to ethanol as an additive in the fuel.  Do any of you have any experience using this kind of fuel? 

Thanks

Jim

MK3X

Virginia Beach, VA





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Dave Bigelow

Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Posts: 103
Location: Kamuela, Hawaii

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:04 am Post subject: Re: ETHANOL AS A FUEL ADDITIVE

Here in Hawaii, all fuel (except avaiation) sold in the state is mandated by law to contain up to 10% ethanol (E-10).  There is no source of standard gasoline available in the State.



I did quite a bit of research on the subject.  It's not a big deal with four stroke engines built within the last ten years or so.  Earlier engines may have deterioration of fuel system components, if operated with E-10.



It's a different story for two stroke engines.  Rotax has a service bulletin out that cautions against using gasoline with more than 5% ethanol.  I called Lockwood Aviation and spoke to one of their techs.  The problem is that the ethanol eats up the crankcase seals over time.  They recommend using 100 octane low lead aviation gasoline if standard auto gas is not available.



There can be problems with premix if E-10 is used.  In general, synthetic oils don't mix well with an ethanol/gas blend.  A gallon of E-10 contains less energy than a gallon of gasoline, and also runs slightly leaner with the same jetting than gasoline.  Also, E-10 can absorb much more water than standard gasoline.

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Jim Ballenger

Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: Re: ETHANOL AS A FUEL ADDITIVE

Thanks to all for the feedback on the ethanol.

Jim

MK3X

Virginia Beach, VA

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