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 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: Wiring, was Windshield |
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From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com>
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 9:55:12 AM
Subject: Re: Wiring, was Windshield
This is the worst I've seen. None of the circuit breakers in the front were being used. There were, however, a dozen in-line fuses behind the panel. This is in a Cheetah that got a Garmin stack worth $20,000. It got all new CBs and wiring.
From: flyv35b <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 6:13:34 AM
Subject: Re: Windshield
DIV { MARGIN:0px;} That's probably the worst wiring I have ever seen!
Cliff
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:19 am Post subject: Wiring, was Windshield |
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Gary, I would find out who did the avionics in this plane. That is crap work. When I had my Garmin stack put in along with my Aspen EFD1000 " Avionics Unlimited " in KCXO did all the work and they went above and beyond making sure the wiring was good. Sometimes it cost to have good work done.
Scott Trejo
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject: Wiring, was Windshield |
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I did a complete Garmin install in a customers plane. I called and asked a friend of mine who has his own avionics shop and asked how many hours he'd charge. He said, it's 40 to 50 hours for the complete install after the trays were all wired and ready to install. So, I had him wire up the stack and I charged 45 hours to install. It actually took me closer to 60. The customer was pissed off that it cost so much 'just to install.' I mean, "all you had to do was put it in and hook up power and ground." That customer never cam back. I should have charged 60 hours.
From: Scott Trejo <md11strejo(at)YAHOO.COM>
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 12:18:03 PM
Subject: Re: Wiring, was Windshield
Gary, I would find out who did the avionics in this plane. That is crap work. When I had my Garmin stack put in along with my Aspen EFD1000 " Avionics Unlimited " in KCXO did all the work and they went above and beyond making sure the wiring was good. Sometimes it cost to have good work done.
Scott Trejo
N499GT
On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
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From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)>
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 9:55:12 AM
Subject: Re: Wiring, was Windshield
This is the worst I've seen. None of the circuit breakers in the front were being used. There were, however, a dozen in-line fuses behind the panel. This is in a Cheetah that got a Garmin stack worth $20,000. It got all new CBs and wiring.
From: flyv35b <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com (flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com)>
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 6:13:34 AM
Subject: Re: Windshield
That's probably the worst wiring I have ever seen!
Cliff
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flyadive(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:00 am Post subject: Wiring, was Windshield |
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Gary:
Business is funny. And the only thing more unusual than business is
the customer.
I lost a job because I charged too little. A Grumman owner with an
AA-1 had a small fuel leak. I gave him a base price of $175 for
travel and repair time. He went to a NON Grumman shop and they pulled
the wing to replace the small rubber line and charged him $2000.
Maybe to the shop it was a P.I.T.A. job because they did not know
about the hose.
Well, now they do at the customer's expense. My loss too when you
consider the loss of revenue.
But that wiring was a real rats nest. Bet it was that way right from
the beginning... The customer's procedure would be:
~ Get a quote
~ Quote too high
~ Go to another shop
~ Quote low
~ Go with low quote
~ Low quote also accompanied by low workmanship.
~ Customer happy
~ This continues for a long time until ALL quotes are high because
working on plane is working in a rats nest
~ Customer pays for High Priced Job and does not come back.
~ Customer needs more work done down the road and goes to another shop
~ Other shop looks at the wiring and THINKS this is going to be
EASY--- Nice laied out panel.
Another title for this story could be : How to make the other shop look good.
Barry
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Gary Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote] I did a complete Garmin install in a customers plane. I called and asked a
friend of mine who has his own avionics shop and asked how many hours he'd
charge. He said, it's 40 to 50 hours for the complete install after the
trays were all wired and ready to install. So, I had him wire up the stack
and I charged 45 hours to install. It actually took me closer to 60. The
customer was pissed off that it cost so much 'just to install.' I mean,
"all you had to do was put it in and hook up power and ground." That
customer never cam back. I should have charged 60 hours.
________________________________
From: Scott Trejo <md11strejo(at)YAHOO.COM>
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 12:18:03 PM
Subject: Re: Wiring, was Windshield
Gary, I would find out who did the avionics in this plane. That is crap
work. When I had my Garmin stack put in along with my Aspen EFD1000 "
Avionics Unlimited " in KCXO did all the work and they went above and beyond
making sure the wiring was good. Sometimes it cost to have good work done.
Scott Trejo
N499GT
On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Gary Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com>
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 9:55:12 AM
Subject: Re: Wiring, was Windshield
This is the worst I've seen. None of the circuit breakers in the front were
being used. There were, however, a dozen in-line fuses behind the panel.
This is in a Cheetah that got a Garmin stack worth $20,000. It got all new
CBs and wiring.
________________________________
From: flyv35b <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>
To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 6:13:34 AM
Subject: Re: Windshield
That's probably the worst wiring I have ever seen!
Cliff
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