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 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: Handheld GPS during BFR/ IPC |
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I am scheduled to take my bi- annual review and an IFR proficiency check. My evaluator is uncomfortable with my AnyWhere Map GPS in the cockpit. Handheld GPS are not allowed as primary navigation, but are allowed for supplemental situation awareness. Is there a FAR that says a GPS cannot be used during a BFR or IPC?
Kim Nicholas
RV 9
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On Jun 20, 2010, at 9:33 PM, thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com (sarg314(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]I am going thru the "Sample checklist for a condition inspection" which is appendix I of the AC 90-89A. Some of the items have me puzzled. Checking some of these things just seems like an opportunity to disturb something that was done right the last time it was done.
One of the items says to check the cylinder compression. This engine has 1.6 hours on it since rebuild (which admittedly was 10 years ago). The rebuilder checked the compression. Seems to run good. Do I really need to check the compression?
Engine mount bolt torque. It's been a couple years, but I torqued torqued and safetied these very meticulously. I think these are best left alone.
My PC-680 Odyssey battery is strapped down very securely (in cabin) but not in a battery box. I thought that an RG battery doesn't require an enclosing box - no liquid acid there to leak out.
Is there any way to test the altimeter and airspeed when its in the plane? Isn't that what the first flight or high speed taxi is supposed to check? (I'm not going to do a high speed taxi, but my test pilot probably will.)
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Tom Sargent, RV-6A on collision course with DAR
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:31 am Post subject: Handheld GPS during BFR/ IPC |
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Kim, I can't quote a specific FAR that says it can be used suffice to say you are allowed to use whatever you want for situational awareness as long as you have on board the required equipment for the ground facilities to be used. Somebody gladly prove me wrong:-).
Dana Overall
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From: knicholas2(at)aol.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Handheld GPS during BFR/ IPC
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:58:40 -0700
I am scheduled to take my bi- annual review and an IFR proficiency check. My evaluator is uncomfortable with my AnyWhere Map GPS in the cockpit. Handheld GPS are not allowed as primary navigation, but are allowed for supplemental situation awareness. Is there a FAR that says a GPS cannot be used during a BFR or IPC?
Kim Nicholas
RV 9
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 20, 2010, at 9:33 PM, thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com (sarg314(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I am going thru the "Sample checklist for a condition inspection" which is appendix I of the AC 90-89A. Some of the items have me puzzled. Checking some of these things just seems like an opportunity to disturb something that was done right the last time it was done.
One of the items says to check the cylinder compression. This engine has 1.6 hours on it since rebuild (which admittedly was 10 years ago). The rebuilder checked the compression. Seems to run good. Do I really need to check the compression?
Engine mount bolt torque. It's been a couple years, but I torqued torqued and safetied these very meticulously. I think these are best left alone.
My PC-680 Odyssey battery is strapped down very securely (in cabin) but not in a battery box. I thought that an RG battery doesn't require an enclosing box - no liquid acid there to leak out.
Is there any way to test the altimeter and airspeed when its in the plane? Isn't that what the first flight or high speed taxi is supposed to check? (I'm not going to do a high speed taxi, but my test pilot probably will.)
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rv8builder
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: Handheld GPS during BFR/ IPC |
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I have had a DPE say the same thing, for what it is worth.
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Dale
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Dana Overall <bo124rs(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Kim, I can't quote a specific FAR that says it can be used suffice to say
you are allowed to use whatever you want for situational awareness as long
as you have on board the required equipment for the ground facilities to be
used. Somebody gladly prove me wrong:-).
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider "Black Magic" Flying..well sorta, useta, kinda
Barrett Precision O 360 A1A
Hartzell C2YR-1BFP/F7497-2
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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From: knicholas2(at)aol.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Handheld GPS during BFR/ IPC
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:58:40 -0700
I am scheduled to take my bi- annual review and an IFR proficiency check.
My evaluator is uncomfortable with my AnyWhere Map GPS in the cockpit.
Handheld GPS are not allowed as primary navigation, but are allowed for
supplemental situation awareness. Is there a FAR that says a GPS cannot be
used during a BFR or IPC?
Kim Nicholas
RV 9
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 20, 2010, at 9:33 PM, thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com> wrote:
I am going thru the "Sample checklist for a condition inspection" which is
appendix I of the AC 90-89A. Some of the items have me puzzled. Checking
some of these things just seems like an opportunity to disturb something
that was done right the last time it was done.
One of the items says to check the cylinder compression. This engine has
1.6 hours on it since rebuild (which admittedly was 10 years ago). The
rebuilder checked the compression. Seems to run good. Do I really need to
check the compression?
Engine mount bolt torque. It's been a couple years, but I torqued torqued
and safetied these very meticulously. I think these are best left alone.
My PC-680 Odyssey battery is strapped down very securely (in cabin) but not
in a battery box. I thought that an RG battery doesn't require an enclosing
box - no liquid acid there to leak out.
Is there any way to test the altimeter and airspeed when its in the plane?
Isn't that what the first flight or high speed taxi is supposed to check?
(I'm not going to do a high speed taxi, but my test pilot probably will.)
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Tom Sargent, RV-6A on collision course with DAR
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:39 am Post subject: Handheld GPS during BFR/ IPC |
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Kim Nicholas wrote: | Quote: |
I am scheduled to take my bi- annual review and an IFR proficiency check. Â My evaluator is uncomfortable with my AnyWhere Map GPS in the cockpit. Â Handheld GPS are not allowed as primary navigation, Â but are allowed for supplemental situation awareness. Â Is there a FAR that says a GPS cannot be used during a BFR or IPC?
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I don't know that answer. My examiner didn't care about my AWM. But just to make your guy comfortable, take out the AWM and use a chart and a compass. You might get a copy of the handbook that tells the examiner what you're required to demonstrate as part of the BFR. There's probably one for IPC, but I don't know for sure.
That book (BFR) says one hour of ground and one hour of flight ..... and my guy won't accept any less time, even though he's my passenger a lot. He goes by the book!
Linn
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Kim Nicholas
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On Jun 20, 2010, at 9:33 PM, thomas sargent <sarg314(at)gmail.com (sarg314(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I am going thru the "Sample checklist for a condition inspection" which is appendix I of the AC 90-89A. Â Some of the items have me puzzled. Â Checking some of these things just seems like an opportunity to disturb something that was done right the last time it was done.
One of the items says to check the cylinder compression. Â This engine has 1.6 hours on it since rebuild (which admittedly was 10 years ago). Â The rebuilder checked the compression. Â Seems to run good. Â Do I really need to check the compression?
Engine mount bolt torque. Â It's been a couple years, but I torqued torqued and safetied these very meticulously. Â I think these are best left alone.
My PC-680 Odyssey battery is strapped down very securely (in cabin) but not in a battery box. Â I thought that an RG battery doesn't require an enclosing box - no liquid acid there to leak out.
Is there any way to test the altimeter and airspeed when its in the plane? Â Isn't that what the first flight or high speed taxi is supposed to check? (I'm not going to do a high speed taxi, but my test pilot probably will.)
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:04 am Post subject: Handheld GPS during BFR/ IPC |
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Guidance for both flight review and IPC are contained in the practical
test standards booklet (PTS). You have to be prepared to demonstrate
satisfactorily anything in the PTS for your highest rating. Most CFIs
are going to look that you operate within safe parameters and that you
never give them doubt about safe completion of the flight. Our EAA
chapter has started offering a 3-4 hour ground school for BFR, that most
local instructors accept in lieu of their personal time. Lengthy, yes.
How many have kept up with all the reg changes since you got your
certificate? How many attend any safety seminars? On-line courses with
AOPA or FAA?
On 6/21/2010 4:36 AM, Linn Walters wrote:
| Quote: | I don't know that answer. My examiner didn't care about my AWM.
But just to make your guy comfortable, take out the AWM and use a
chart and a compass. You might get a copy of the handbook that tells
the examiner what you're required to demonstrate as part of the BFR.
There's probably one for IPC, but I don't know for sure.
That book (BFR) says one hour of ground and one hour of flight .....
and my guy won't accept any less time, even though he's my passenger a
lot. He goes by the book!
Linn
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