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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:44 pm Post subject: New Video

The second time is the charm, I guess. The first time I shot this video I didn't see the streaks on the wind screen until I watched the video footage so yesterday I was extra thorough in making sure the lexan was spotless. Anyway here's the link: 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtZEOa1h_bc

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
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Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:24 pm Post subject: New Video

Looks good Rick. Now all you need to do is a touch and go  on every sand bar, or stop and do a little fishing.

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:47 pm Post subject: New Video

Some of the sandbars certainly look long enough, but I'd have to get out on them to look them over before I'd try it. Sure would be fun, though.



Rick



On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com (lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com)> wrote:

 [quote]       Looks good Rick. Now all you need to do is a touch and go  on every sand bar, or stop and do a little fishing.

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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:21 pm Post subject: New Video

outstanding!   Now we know what IFR really means.BB



On 30, Jun 2010, at 5:44 PM, Richard Girard wrote:

[quote]The second time is the charm, I guess. The first time I shot this video I didn't see the streaks on the wind screen until I watched the video footage so yesterday I was extra thorough in making sure the lexan was spotless. Anyway here's the link: 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtZEOa1h_bc

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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject: New Video

Rick,

 Here in Ohio the dawn is before 6:00 this time of year.Absolutely my favorite flying time.It's just tough to get any of the other guys out of the sack that early so it's a solo most of the time.Nice video!

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:37 pm Post subject: New Video

Those sand bars look very doable to me.  Some  look like they have a lot of gravel in them, which makes them even more  suitable.

  

 Before one lands out, they must accept the fact  that if they break the airplane, it may be very difficult to retrieve for  repair.

  

 john h

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 [quote]Some of the sandbars certainly look long enough, but I'd have to get    out on them to look them over before I'd try it. Sure would be fun, though.   



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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: New Video

Retrieving a plane off the sand bar looks simple to  me.   Do it by water.  In Alaska we land on sand/gravel bars all  the time.  You just need to look them over carefully before you set  down.

 Gene

  



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 Those sand bars look very doable to me.  Some  look like they have a lot of gravel in them, which makes them even more  suitable.

  

 Before one lands out, they must accept the fact  that if they break the airplane, it may be very difficult to retrieve for  repair.

  

 john h

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 [quote]Some of the sandbars certainly look long enough, but I'd have to get    out on them to look them over before I'd try it. Sure would be fun, though.    



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John Hauck

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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: New Video

Well...I have been fortunate enough to make quite a  few off field and sand bar landings in my mkIII, in Alaska, my self, Knik  River, a spot somewhere near the Dalton Highway south of Cold Foot, an unknown  river 30 miles east of Deadhorse, and on the beach of the Arctic Ocean 12 miles  south of Barrow, where Wiley Post and Wil Rogers were killed in 1935, to name a  few.  Some of those would have taken a helicopter and a lot of  money to retrieve me and my mkIII.

  

 Many of the sand bars on the Tallapoosa, Coosa, and  Alabama Rivers are very landable, but to rescue a broken mkIII would be very  difficult and expensive.

  

 I had my Ultrastar rescued from a swamp 1/2 mile  from Wetumpka Airport 08A by an old H-19, in 1985.  Lucky for me, my buddy  owned and flew the H-19.  It didn't cost me more than a six pack.   Without the helicopter, it would have been a very difficult mission to  accomplish.

  

 john h

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   Retrieving a plane off the sand bar looks simple to    me.   Do it by water.  In Alaska we land on sand/gravel bars    all the time.  You just need to look them over carefully before you set    down.

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: New Video

I made my statement tongue and cheek, about the touch and  goes, but if I was going to do it, I would use the same technique that works in  snow. Touch it down lightly with lots of power, let it settle a bit, then go  around and see what kind of a rut you made.  One thing that seemed  noticeable to me was that it seemed to take a lot of ground for you to take off  on the grass. Once in the air it climbed pleasingly quickly, but I thought that  it took a lot of runway to get off. Hard to tell on video. My point is  don't short your self, because sand if it is fluffy will cause a lot of drag. I  have never had the guts to do a water skiing routine with mine, so I don't know  how fast you need to be to "walk" on water.

  

 On my trip back from Texas with the Firestar, I touched  down on the Great Salt Lake. It felt gooey, so I pulled all the throttle I could  get and got back on top of it and got off the ground. I almost needed a change  of pants afterward realizing what would have been if I had slowed too much to  get back airborne.

 Have fun, but do it carefully,

 Larry

  

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:04 am Post subject: New Video

John,

  Sounds like you had a great vacation in  Alaska.  Knik River has good gravel bars and lots of time the biggest  danger is staying out of the other aircrafts way as they land and takeoff.   It's a great one to practice on, being so close to the Anchorage, Palmer,  Wasilla and Birchwood Airports.  Lots of streams with-in 30 miles of Dead  horse, but the only river I can think of with-in 30 miles of Deadhorse, is the  Colville River, but it is to the West, towards Barrow.   The  Helmericks have a very nice house on the Colville and know the area better than  anyone else and are a good source of local knowledge.  A lot of the  bars on it can be a real bear to land on, as a lot of it is soft sand (had  a landing craft stuck on one for several days)  While you were up there I  think you received some misinformation on the Wiley Post crash, as he  crashed on a small lake (he was on floats) and not on the  beach.  Most of the beaches are great to land on.  The biggest  problems I've had in that area are the mosquitoes and the Arctic Fog.  Most  anywhere you bust up a plane in Alaska is going to be pricy.  I have a  friend that all he does is recover downed planes and he makes a really good  living.  

 The only reason I suggested recovery by water is that  the river he was flying over appeared to be large enough to get a boat and barge  to the sandbar if needed.  I thought that would be a whole lot cheaper than  trying to get to it over land.  I don't know the area, so I could be dead  wrong.

 Sounds like your Alaska trip was a trip of a life  time.  Where did you start from?  Any chance you wrote something  up?  Bet it would make interesting reading and I would be very interested  to read it.  How did the Kolb do and what engine did you use?  Any  changes you'd make to the plane/engine if you were to do it again?

 Sounds like you’re a really high time Kolb  pilot/owner.  When you have the time, how about a write up on each Kolb you  have owned or flown, with what engine and any other info for a Kolb newbe like  myself?  I'm the new owner of a previously owned  Firestar KXP, but have been too sick with Chemo to fly it.  Any info  would be greatly appreciated.  

 Thank You

 Gene

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:44 am Post subject: New Video

For most of the sand bars the way into them from land is footpaths so the only real access to get a plane out would be the river and that bridge at the beginning of the footage has neither height nor span enough to take a Mk III. Still, on the right day I could give any bush pilot tendencies I might have a good try out......  



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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:36 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:

[quote]        Those sand bars look very doable to me.  Some  look like they have a lot of gravel in them, which makes them even more  suitable.

  

 Before one lands out, they must accept the fact  that if they break the airplane, it may be very difficult to retrieve for  repair.

  

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:54 am Post subject: New video

Rick- Where did you film that?  What river, etc.?  I don't know where you are.  Nice footage, and seems to be pretty flat all the way to the horizon.

  

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rickofudall

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:05 am Post subject: New video

Bill, It's the Arkansas (R Kan Zas, locally, not R Kan Saw) River between State Route 55 (that's the bridge) and Mulvane, KS. Yep, it's the Great Plains and that stretch is pretty flat.



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[quote]   Rick- Where did you film that?  What river, etc.?  I don't know where you are.  Nice footage, and seems to be pretty flat all the way to the horizon.

   

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:57 am Post subject: Re: New Video

Excellent video, Rick. I especially liked your near redline dive towards the river and the hard slip on final approach. That yaw string was really out there.

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:51 am Post subject: New Video

I have had many great trips to Alaska,  three flights from Alabama, in my Kolb mkIII. 

  

 The gravel bar I landed on was 30 miles (aprx) east  of Deadhorse on the Canning River, south of Brownlow Point.

  

 I know Jim and Teena Helmericks.  Have stayed  with them the last two flights to the North Slope.

  

 I didn't say Wiley Post and Wil Rogers crashed on  the beach, I said I landed there, beside the monuments on the sand dune between  the lagoon they crashed in and the beach I landed on.  Problem with the  beach there was extremely dry soft sand laced with many large river  rocks.

  

 I wrote an article about my 1994 flight.  You  can pull it up on the EAA archives.  I think it was published in the May,  June, July, August, and September 1995 issues of the EAA Experimenter  Mag.

  

 I have written a lot about my Kolbs and flights  since I joined the Kolb List in 1998.  That stuff can be retrieved from the  Kolb List Archives.

  

 Are you still in Alaska?  Where?   

  

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John Hauck

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:04 am Post subject: New Video

The url for my Alaska web site is on my computer at  my house.

  

 Anybody got that one handy they can give  Gene.

  

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George Alexander

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: Re: New Video

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  The url for my Alaska web site is on my computer at  my house.

  

 Anybody got that one handy they can give  Gene.

  

 john h

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John et al:

There is the material that your son put on the web......

If that's what you are talking about, it is at:

http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/

or..

through my web site at:

http://www.oh2fly.net

then

"Kolb Related Web Sites" 

then 

"John's Jaunts"

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: New Video

> There is the material that your son put on the web......

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		   If that's what you are talking about, it is at:

 http://webpages.charter.net/kawasaki1/Hauck/

 or..

 through my web site at:

 http://www.oh2fly.net

 then

 "Kolb Related Web Sites" 

 then 

 "John's Jaunts"

 

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 George Alexander

 FS II R503  N709FS

 http://www.oh2fly.net

 
	




Thanks, George.



You da man.



john h

mkIII

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: New Video

"John Hauck" wrote: << Before one lands out, they must accept the fact that if they break the airplane, it may be very difficult to retrieve for repair. >>  

   

One of the lasting memories I have of John Williamson is his giving me this advice at MV-2007:   

“Don’t land your airplane anywhere you wouldn’t want to be broken down at.”    

   

   

<< I had my Ultrastar rescued from a swamp 1/2 mile from Wetumpka Airport   

08A by an old H-19, in 1985.  Lucky for me, my buddy owned and flew the   

H-19.  It didn't cost me more than a six pack.  Without the helicopter,   

it would have been a very difficult mission to accomplish. >>  

   

John H – you got off cheap on that one!    

When I had to get my Mark-3 plucked out of the mud flats of central New Mexico by helicopter, it cost me $1500.  (Bell Jet Ranger)  And all my friends STILL tell me that that was a good deal!  

   

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Sandia Park, NM  

   

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John Hauck

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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:30 am Post subject: New Video

Dennis did a good job on that  excursion.

  

 We get into a lot of situations we do no like, but  I feel is all part of the exciting game of building and flying Kolb  airplanes.

  

 I would not take a million dollars for all my good  and bad experiences with Kolbs.  Sure don't want to repeat a lot of my  episodes.

  

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