Matronics Email Lists Forum Index Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists
 
 Get Email Distribution Too!Get Email Distribution Too!    FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

UltraStar tailwheel strut

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Kolb-List
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Dana



Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:48 pm    Post subject: UltraStar tailwheel strut Reply with quote

The mention a few days ago of a fiberglass rod for the tailwheel strut got me wondering.

I'm having a problem with the tailwheel strut on my UltraStar. It was bent a bit when I got the plane, looks like it had been bent and straightened a few times. It bent, and the 5/8 tube crinkled a bit, right at the end of the 3/4" tube it slips into. I've straightened it out twice myself, but it keeps bending… the crinkled are weakens it, of course, but I don't know how much it tends to bend when straight. One solution is to cut it and splice a new piece of 5/8", but will it bend again? Was this a common problem with the UltraStar? It tends to get bent not on landing, but when moving the plane around with the wings folded (at least that's where I felt it bend the last time). One problem may be that when I got the plane, the 3/4" tube was cut off straight rather than angled per the plans (I've since corrected this), which makes a much worse stress concentration on the inner tube, contributing to its bending (and weakening) the first time.

I could extend the 3/4" tube farther back which would make it quite a bit stronger, but it would also be less springy, which could lead to damage elsewhere; damage which would be harder to repair. Or go to a fiberglass rod (is that original on later Kolbs or is it an owner mod?). A 5/8" solid fiberglass rod is slightly weaker in simple bending than 5/8OD x .035 steel tube, but it's less prone to local crippling which seems to be my problem. Or perhaps somebody's come up with a better solution?

-Dana

--
Government cannot give you anything it does not first take away from someone. [quote][b]


- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
williamtsullivan(at)att.n
Guest





PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:53 am    Post subject: Ultrastar tailwheel strut Reply with quote

Dana- Which way is the tube bending? Sideways, or up (from bouncing)? Next, do you know if the factory specified tubing of that particular grade, or having it hardened?  Is it original? My Firestar does have a fiberglass rod tail spring. No bends or cracks, but I'm careful to lift it when going sideways around the yard. I worry more about bending the tubing on the "skeg", or doing some kind of damage to the main fuselage tube. I seem to remember that the Ultrastar tail spring was longer, though. Could be wrong.

        Bill Sullivan
        Windsor locks, Ct.
        FS 447
[quote][b]


- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
Back to top
John Hauck



Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:39 am    Post subject: UltraStar tailwheel strut Reply with quote

Dana:

Normalized 4130 steel tubing makes a very poor spring, unless heat treated, of course.

The tail wheel strut should be a spring.

I use .120" wall 4130 heat treated to 48 RC for my tail wheel strut on the mkIII. An US could use something with a thinner wall, like .090".

I have also shortened tail wheel struts dramatically on all three model Kolbs I built, US, FS, mkIII.

john h
mkIII


[quote] A 5/8" solid fiberglass rod is slightly weaker in simple bending than 5/8OD x .035 steel tube, but it's less prone to local crippling which seems to be my problem. Or perhaps somebody's come up with a better solution?

-Dana

[b]


- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

_________________
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.co
Guest





PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:37 pm    Post subject: UltraStar tailwheel strut Reply with quote

In a message dated 7/13/2010 3:48:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, d-m-hague(at)comcast.net writes:
Quote:
Or go to a fiberglass rod (is that original on later Kolbs or is it an owner mod?)

Dana,

FYI
Fiberglass tail rod was standard on my original FireStar and also on my buddy's KXP. It worked great on turf, but was too springy on pavement. When I taxied on pavement, the spring would start oscillating and the nose and tail would start going up and down. This would get worse and I would have to stop to get it to settle down. Then as soon as I started to taxi it would start doing it again.

Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ


[quote][b]


- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
Back to top
John Hauck



Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:02 am    Post subject: UltraStar tailwheel strut Reply with quote

Shorten the fiberglass rod considerably. This should reduce springiness.

john h
mkIII



[quote] It worked great on turf, but was too springy on pavement. When I taxied on pavement, the spring would start oscillating and the nose and tail would start going up and down. This would get worse and I would have to stop to get it to settle down. Then as soon as I started to taxi it would start doing it again.
Quote:

Bill Varnes


[b]


- The Matronics Kolb-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List

_________________
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Kolb-List All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group