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chuck960

Joined: 11 Mar 2009
Posts: 44
Location: PA

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:16 am Post subject: Trim bonding

I'm about to bond the forward rubber seal to the canopy plastic. Not much will stick to Plexiglass or rubber. What does the rest of the Zenith crowd use?

Chuck Dean

Ch650

bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: Trim bonding

3M weatherstrip adhesive. It's available at many auto parts stores and aircraft supply outlets.



On Jul 24, 2010, at 2:16 PM, chuck960 wrote:



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 I'm about to bond the forward rubber seal to the canopy plastic. Not much will stick to Plexiglass or rubber. What does the rest of the Zenith crowd use?

 Chuck Dean

 Ch650

 

 


	


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jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:19 pm Post subject: Trim bonding

I used Stick-N-Seal from Walmart.  It just takes some care to make sure the

surfaces are clean and not to smear it.  Zenith recommended.

Jeff Davidson



I'm about to bond the forward rubber seal to the canopy plastic. Not much

will stick to Plexiglass or rubber. What does the rest of the Zenith crowd

use?

craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: Trim bonding

An old post from 2006:



"++ The magic bullet for attaching rubber to the canopy is a product called

"Poly

Zap" made by Pacer Technology. It is very specialized instant glue for

adhering the

slippery plastics together like Nylon, Delran, etc. Because is specialized

you may

not find it on the shelf at your local hobby shop, but you can easily find

and buy

it on-line. Application is so simple you essentially can't mess up if you

just take

your time.  Most people think they have to spread a continuous amount of

glue from

one end to the other under the rubber and at the same time keep things lined

up and

worry about glue oozing out.  Nope... just put the rubber strip in place

where it's

supposed to be on the canopy, then lift the edge of the rubber up at one end

and

place a small dot (about 1/8" in size, doesn't take much) about half way

down the

depth of the rubber seal and let the rubber gently come back in contact with

the

canopy.  When that end is "tacked", move to the other end, pull the slack

out of

the rubber and tack that end. Now it's held in place.  Then, go to the

middle, half

way between the two glue dots, lift the rubber up at that point and place

another

dot down in there. Then do it again between that middle dot and each of the

end

dots and so on, and so on until you have these dots applied about every 3 or

4

inches. Do the same on the inside edge of the canopy and it's done.  This

type of

instant glue has a shorter shelf life than some of the others so keep it in

a

plastic bag in the refrigerator and it will remain good to use for a long

time. My

aircraft has been flying for 4 years now and NOT ONE of those glue dots has

let go.



Tail winds.....   Fred Hulen" 



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jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject: Trim bonding

I used "PolyZap" also.  Worked great !

 

 Jay Bannister

  

     

  

    

     

  

     

  

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jfowler120(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:38 pm Post subject: Trim bonding

Remember that you will eventually have to replace that  piece of rubber -- don't make it impossible.

  

 Karl

  



  From: jaybannist(at)cs.com (jaybannist(at)cs.com) 

 Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 6:38 PM

 To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com (zenith601-list(at)matronics.com)  

 Subject: Re: Trim bonding

 



 I used "PolyZap"  also.  Worked great !



Jay Bannister



 



 

 



 



 -----Original  Message-----

From: Craig Payne <craig(at)craigandjean.com (craig(at)craigandjean.com)>

To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com (zenith601-list(at)matronics.com)

Sent:  Sat, Jul 24, 2010 5:28 pm

Subject: RE: Trim bonding



 [quote]--> Zenith601-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com (craig(at)craigandjean.com)>

  

  An old post from 2006:

  

  "++ The magic bullet for attaching rubber to the canopy is a product called

  "Poly

  Zap" made by Pacer Technology. It is very specialized instant glue for

  adhering the

  slippery plastics together like Nylon, Delran, etc. Because is specialized

  you may

  not find it on the shelf at your local hobby shop, but you can easily find

  and buy

  it on-line. Application is so simple you essentially can't mess up if you

  just take

  your time.  Most people think they have to spread a continuous amount of

  glue from

  one end to the other under the rubber and at the same time keep things lined

  up and

  worry about glue oozing out.  Nope... just put the rubber strip in place

  where it's

  supposed to be on the canopy, then lift the edge of the rubber up at one end

  and

  place a small dot (about 1/8" in size, doesn't take much) about half way

  down the

  depth of the rubber seal and let the rubber gently come back in contact with

  the

  canopy.  When that end is "tacked", move to the other end, pull the slack

  out of

  the rubber and tack that end. Now it's held in place.  Then, go to the

  middle, half

  way between the two glue dots, lift the rubber up at that point and place

  another

  dot down in there. Then do it again between that middle dot and each of the

  end

  dots and so on, and so on until you have these dots applied about every 3 or

  4

  inches. Do the same on the inside edge of the canopy and it's done.  This

  type of

  instant glue has a shorter shelf life than some of the others so keep it in

  a

  plastic bag in the refrigerator and it will remain good to use for a long

  time. My

  aircraft has been flying for 4 years now and NOT ONE of those glue dots has

  let go.

  

  Tail winds.....   Fred Hulen" 

  

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jaybannist(at)cs.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: Trim bonding

Karl,

  

     

 I used "dots" of PolyZap spaced about 4 to 6 inches apart along the length of the seal; and only on the part of the seal that would touch the outside face of the canopy bubble.  That should make it removable with a razor blade sometime in the future.

 

 A funny thing happened on the way to this installation.  I cut the rubber strips to length, then laid them aside.  After I completed the canopy assembly, I started looking for those strips.  I turned my work space upside down and inside out and couldn't find them.  After a few days of searching, I gave up and ordered replacements from ZAC.  After I had the new ones installed, I was telling my son about losing the original ones.  He was standing beside my lawnmower.  He laid his hand on the lawnmower handle and asked "Were they like these ?"  Sure enough, there were the originals, "hiding" in plain sight (except to me ! ) draped over the lawnmower handle.

 

 Jay

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: Trim bonding

Hi Chuck,

I used Poly Zap, comes in a tube and you only need to use a single drop 

each inch. Not to be smeared on the acrylic, but placed at the bottom of 

the rubber groove.

Holds "forever" without worry.



Larry McFarland 601hds at www.macsmachine.com



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 I'm about to bond the forward rubber seal to the canopy plastic. Not much will stick to Plexiglass or rubber. What does the rest of the Zenith crowd use?

 Chuck Dean

 Ch650





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david_a_g_johnson(at)btin
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:03 am Post subject: Trim bonding

Jay,

  

 don't let it bother you!

  

 I find that, as senility advances, things can only  get better. I no longer waste time looking for things that I have put in a 'safe  place', because I've forgotten that I had them in the first place.

  

 Cheer up - it's an 'age' thing!!

  

 Dave Johnson (fat, dumb and happy)

  

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chuck960

Joined: 11 Mar 2009
Posts: 44
Location: PA

Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Trim bonding

You guys continue to be a great source of information. Thanks!

I just returned from Airventure. The wet conditions forced many campers to parking lots at the shopping center. Also Aircraft were stopped from flying in as there was no dry place to put them. We got there just in time to get one of the last camping spots on Sunday. Conditions were improved somewhat when we left today. 

I saw only two 601's there and took a long look at both of them. naturally there was a zillion RV's. Beautiful aircraft they are. 

I got some hands on training at the gas welding workshop and I feel that with a little practice I can make aircraft non structural parts.

Cheers, Chuck CH 650.

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