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billlang(at)live.com.au
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:29 pm    Post subject: Starter sequence M14 Reply with quote
GDay all
 
Thank you all for your help. The fault has finally been isolated and fixed . All of the advice had been used, but to no avail. As I said originally, this is a new engine, so we were really frustrated in that doing everything by the book, it would still turn a few pots and then oscillate. Problem was eventually traced back to incorrect factory installation of two lines from the spider valve being installed on the incorrect cylinders. Who would have thought the Russians could make that mistake. Friday built engine? I hope everything else inside was put together by someone else!
 
 
 
Thanks again
 
Bill

Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:19:34 -0700
From: yakplt(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RE: Starter sequence M14
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Dennis, it looks like my "translation" version on CD missed a step.  Sorry about that Bill.  But, seriously, being off 4 degrees should not cause that darn thing not to even spin at all. 
 
Bill, ... Dennis said:   "There is an inner and an outer hole in the air distributor slider." 
 
Did you catch that? 
 
Mark


--- On Sat, 7/17/10, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

[quote]
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Starter sequence M14
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 8:42 AM

.ExternalClass #ecxyiv1749091937 .ecxhmmessage P {padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass #ecxyiv1749091937 .ecxhmmessage {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10pt;} According to the Task Card 204 in the M14 manual, the correct procedure is to first position the engine at 12 degrees after TDC on the #4 cylinder.  Then rotate the prop in its normal direction back to 8 degrees after TDC.  This is where you set the air distributor.  The instructions in task card 204 say at this point to set the slide to where the inner hole opens for 1 mm.  There is an inner and an outer hole in the air distributor slider.
Dennis
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:33 am    Post subject: Starter sequence M14 Reply with quote
Woodka Friday.
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From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lang
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:28 PM
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GDay all

Thank you all for your help. The fault has finally been isolated and fixed . All of the advice had been used, but to no avail. As I said originally, this is a new engine, so we were really frustrated in that doing everything by the book, it would still turn a few pots and then oscillate. Problem was eventually traced back to incorrect factory installation of two lines from the spider valve being installed on the incorrect cylinders. Who would have thought the Russians could make that mistake. Friday built engine? I hope everything else inside was put together by someone else!



Thanks again

Bill


Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:19:34 -0700
From: yakplt(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RE: Starter sequence M14
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com


Dennis, it looks like my "translation" version on CD missed a step. Sorry about that Bill. But, seriously, being off 4 degrees should not cause that darn thing not to even spin at all.



Bill, ... Dennis said: "There is an inner and an outer hole in the air distributor slider."



Did you catch that?



Mark



--- On Sat, 7/17/10, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
[quote]

From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Starter sequence M14
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 8:42 AM
According to the Task Card 204 in the M14 manual, the correct procedure is to first position the engine at 12 degrees after TDC on the #4 cylinder. Then rotate the prop in its normal direction back to 8 degrees after TDC. This is where you set the air distributor. The instructions in task card 204 say at this point to set the slide to where the inner hole opens for 1 mm. There is an inner and an outer hole in the air distributor slider.

Dennis
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----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Lang

To: Yak List ; Tim Windsor ; Milton

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:18 AM

Subject: RE: RE: Starter sequence M14



SITREP

12 Degrees off no 4 pot all set. Zero rotation, just a loud POP of air as the starter is pushed. Pull started and ran it for half hour. Expecting some rotation with starter, but still the POP of air not turning anything.

Very frustrating!!

What is encouraging is that the movement of the spider valve is definitely effecting the prop movement on start.

8 degrees seemed the best, so will fiddle around there maybe.

The Aussie with the 18T and box of matches might like to come over to Cessnock and do an overnight stocktake for me

Any One Bueller?

Anyone?


Bill

> Subject: RE: RE: Starter sequence M14
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:13:19 -0400
> From: mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil
> To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>
>
> That info was pulled from a direct translation of the M-14 manual written the folks who made the engine.
>
> Mark
>
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:21 pm    Post subject: Starter sequence M14 Reply with quote
Bill,

I got a brand new engine from the factory that had a scraper ring where the oil ring should have been on #3 cylinder. It worked for 438 hours!
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby

In a message dated 8/1/2010 11:30:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, billlang(at)live.com.au writes:
[quote]GDay all

Thank you all for your help. The fault has finally been isolated and fixed . All of the advice had been used, but to no avail. As I said originally, this is a new engine, so we were really frustrated in that doing everything by the book, it would still turn a few pots and then oscillate. Problem was eventually traced back to incorrect factory installation of two lines from the spider valve being installed on the incorrect cylinders. Who would have thought the Russians could make that mistake. Friday built engine? I hope everything else inside was put together by someone else!



Thanks again

Bill

Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:19:34 -0700
From: yakplt(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RE: Starter sequence M14
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Dennis, it looks like my "translation" version on CD missed a step. Sorry about that Bill. But, seriously, being off 4 degrees should not cause that darn thing not to even spin at all.

Bill, ... Dennis said: "There is an inner and an outer hole in the air distributor slider."

Did you catch that?

Mark


--- On Sat, 7/17/10, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

[quote]
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Starter sequence M14
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 8:42 AM

.ExternalClass #ecxyiv1749091937 .ecxhmmessage P {padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-top:0px;} .ExternalClass #ecxyiv1749091937 .ecxhmmessage {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10pt;} According to the Task Card 204 in the M14 manual, the correct procedure is to first position the engine at 12 degrees after TDC on the #4 cylinder. Then rotate the prop in its normal direction back to 8 degrees after TDC. This is where you set the air distributor. The instructions in task card 204 say at this point to set the slide to where the inner hole opens for 1 mm. There is an inner and an outer hole in the air distributor slider.
Dennis
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