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grantr

Joined: 12 Sep 2007
Posts: 217

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:55 am Post subject: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land on?

I know some of the areas some of you live in are filled with trees. So how do you fly? 



I was taught to not fly over anything that I couldn’t land on because at some point the engine will fail. I have been sticking to this but there are times I would like to cross that patch of woods to get somewhere else without climbing to the moon to do it or having to fly miles out of the way just to go around it.



I am not sure how landing in trees would turn out well at all, especially pine trees. 



I’ve been talking with a buddy who is a CFI and he says he does not worry about it and flys over whatever to get where he is going. He feels a properly maintained aircraft engine is reliably enough to trust plus the Cessna will glide well. He has never had an engine out either.

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George Myers

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 76
Location: San Marcos, Texas

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:32 am Post subject: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land on?

Your buddy is correct in the sense that if an engine quits it is not maintained well. BUT they do. Mine have. For different reasons. The only thing keeping the sweat off my face when I'm flying over trees is that big fan behind me.



George E. Myers Jr.

Twinstar 582

San Marcos, TX 78666

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gotime242

Joined: 09 Jul 2010
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Location: West Palm Beach, FL

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land on?

Well...i suppose the argument there would be the reliability of a cessna flown by a cfi vs an amateur built experimental. 



I too am a GA pilot...and for the last many years have flown over countless terrain that i couldn't land on...but thats kind of the point of why i was flying. 



I also fly a learjet for a living, and a lot of the time i couldnt tell you what kind of terrain is below me because i cant even see it...flying in IMC, at night, over water all at 410. But again...its a different airplane. 



I am new to the kolb, but will be flying it out of a populated area/ decent size city. I have actually only left the pattern of the airport once, and i flew over a road while looking around for a landing spot literally ever 10 seconds. 



I would say yeah....its always a good idea to fly over an area you can land in...but i dont think short hops over areas that you cant are out of the question. At least it will make things more exciting for a bit, and probably open up a whole new world of places to go. 



If airplanes never were meant to fly over places they couldn't land on, there probably wouldn't be much point to them. But...its all kinda different depending on who you ask and if they are flying a kolb...cessna...learjet...space shuttle...or whatever.

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John Hauck

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land on?

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		   Your buddy is correct in the  sense that if an engine quits it is not maintained well. BUT they do. Mine have.  For different reasons. The only thing keeping the sweat off my face when I'm  flying over trees is that big fan behind me.

 

 George E. Myers  Jr.

 
	


  

  

 They all quit.

  

 Not a matter if, but when.

  

 john h

 mkIII

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gotime242

Joined: 09 Jul 2010
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Location: West Palm Beach, FL

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land on?

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  

  

 They all quit.

  

 Not a matter if, but when.

  

 john h

 mkIII

 	


<---:::sells kolb:::

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John Hauck

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:02 am Post subject: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land on?

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 Well...i suppose the argument there would be the reliability of a cessna 

 flown by a cfi vs an amateur built experimental.


	




You need to sign your posts and tell us who you are, if you are new to the 

Kolb List.



What is the argument?  I feel a lot more comfortable flying my own 

experimental than I do GA airplanes.  It has proven itself to be a very 

reliable, safe airplane over the years.



I have flown over many miles of hostile terrain.  I accept the fact that if 

the motor stops, I am going to hurt badly or worse, and my airplane will be 

torn up.



john h

mkIII

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gotime242

Joined: 09 Jul 2010
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: Re: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land on?

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		   	  Quote: 	
		   



 Well...i suppose the argument there would be the reliability of a cessna 

 flown by a cfi vs an amateur built experimental.



	




You need to sign your posts and tell us who you are, if you are new to the 

Kolb List.



What is the argument?  I feel a lot more comfortable flying my own 

experimental than I do GA airplanes.  It has proven itself to be a very 

reliable, safe airplane over the years.



I have flown over many miles of hostile terrain.  I accept the fact that if 

the motor stops, I am going to hurt badly or worse, and my airplane will be 

torn up.



john h

mkIII 	




Im saying if there WAS an argument between "Fly over terrain" or "Dont fly over terrain"...that would be it.  Im glad you feel that way about your plane, i honestly cant wait until i feel the same. 



For the moment though i dont have enough time in the kolb to feel one way or the other. Thats why i can only speculate about these potential arguments. I do everything i can right now to make sure my kolb is reliable...but like they say...it will probably quit eventually anyway, and when it does i probably wont be too surprised. 



Like you said....these are just facts that we have to accept to do what we do. 



-Dylan

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zharvey(at)bentoncountyca
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:22 pm Post subject: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land on?

If one only flew where there was a good landing spot, then Alaska would 

still be without airservice.

Gene



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Subject: Re: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land 

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 Well...i suppose the argument there would be the reliability of a cessna 

 flown by a cfi vs an amateur built experimental.



 I too am a GA pilot...and for the last many years have flown over 

 countless terrain that i couldn't land on...but thats kind of the point of 

 why i was flying.



 I also fly a learjet for a living, and a lot of the time i couldnt tell 

 you what kind of terrain is below me because i cant even see it...flying 

 in IMC, at night, over water all at 410. But again...its a different 

 airplane.



 I am new to the kolb, but will be flying it out of a populated area/ 

 decent size city. I have actually only left the pattern of the airport 

 once, and i flew over a road while looking around for a landing spot 

 literally ever 10 seconds.



 I would say yeah....its always a good idea to fly over an area you can 

 land in...but i dont think short hops over areas that you cant are out of 

 the question. At least it will make things more exciting for a bit, and 

 probably open up a whole new world of places to go.



 If airplanes never were meant to fly over places they couldn't land on, 

 there probably wouldn't be much point to them. But...its all kinda 

 different depending on who you ask and if they are flying a 

 kolb...cessna...learjet...space shuttle...or whatever.





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henry.voris

Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Posts: 116
Location: Pueo Field, Kula, Maui

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Do you fly over hostile terrain that you can't land on?

"... mountain flying and flight over open water usually are beyond the scope of private pilot training." (Jeppesen)



In Hawaii if you're not over the open ocean or mountains... You're still on the runway... "Hostile" and "Terrain" are inseparable words here.



Aloha

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