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The M14P has very good quality steel valve seats, and the Russians say that no additional help from lead is needed.
But, I see no harm in adding lead – a good idea to give it 100ll whenever you can.
You can buy a lead product (TEL) for historic cars in the UK.
It is not that expensive – 130 Euro for enough to treat a thousand litres – and you do not need to put in nearly as much as they suggest, since they are using it mainly for the Octane enhancer.
There is no 50-hour check – but my own view is it is prudent to look over the engine every 50-hours, particularly if it is not often used.
The only way to clean the fuel filters is ultrasonically.
For the undercarriage oleos, you either get an engineering shop to make up connectors, OR convert them to a conventional automotive Schraeder valve.
I think pre-oiling is a very good idea, and all you need is a separate supply from the oil tank through to a high pressure electric pump, going into one of the oil galleries, which then will circulate oil around the engine before starting. But I do not think that anyone makes a kit as such.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:06 am Post subject: 18T issues |
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Richard,
thanks so much for your very interesting answer.
For the TEL...I will just give 100LL to my motor every 5 fill.
In fact as we can't find 98unleaded in every field I will have to fill the plane with 100LL from time to time.
But I want to keep an eye on the filters and the plugs for tracking records every 20 hours.
For the preoiling pump you are right KISS (keep it safe and simple) is the best way to do it. A simple electric pump with the good hoses and the work id done. I will try to do something that can heat the oil in the same time. Perhaps heting the oil directly into the tank with a resistor...??
Anyway, thanks so much for your kind answer
Didier BLOUZARD
2010/9/15 Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)>
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The M14P has very good quality steel valve seats, and the Russians say that no additional help from lead is needed.
But, I see no harm in adding lead – a good idea to give it 100ll whenever you can.
You can buy a lead product (TEL) for historic cars in the UK.
It is not that expensive – 130 Euro for enough to treat a thousand litres – and you do not need to put in nearly as much as they suggest, since they are using it mainly for the Octane enhancer.
There is no 50-hour check – but my own view is it is prudent to look over the engine every 50-hours, particularly if it is not often used.
The only way to clean the fuel filters is ultrasonically.
For the undercarriage oleos, you either get an engineering shop to make up connectors, OR convert them to a conventional automotive Schraeder valve.
I think pre-oiling is a very good idea, and all you need is a separate supply from the oil tank through to a high pressure electric pump, going into one of the oil galleries, which then will circulate oil around the engine before starting. But I do not think that anyone makes a kit as such.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: 18T issues |
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Don’t put things INTO the tank. If the resistor blows up, then you have a BIG problem, because you’ll scatter small particles everywhere into the oil.
Only my 2 cents,
Jan
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier Blouzard
Sent: woensdag 15 september 2010 9:04
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: 18T issues
Richard,
thanks so much for your very interesting answer.
For the TEL...I will just give 100LL to my motor every 5 fill.
In fact as we can't find 98unleaded in every field I will have to fill the plane with 100LL from time to time.
But I want to keep an eye on the filters and the plugs for tracking records every 20 hours.
For the preoiling pump you are right KISS (keep it safe and simple) is the best way to do it. A simple electric pump with the good hoses and the work id done. I will try to do something that can heat the oil in the same time. Perhaps heting the oil directly into the tank with a resistor...??
Anyway, thanks so much for your kind answer
Didier BLOUZARD
2010/9/15 Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)>
The M14P has very good quality steel valve seats, and the Russians say that no additional help from lead is needed.
But, I see no harm in adding lead – a good idea to give it 100ll whenever you can.
You can buy a lead product (TEL) for historic cars in the UK.
It is not that expensive – 130 Euro for enough to treat a thousand litres – and you do not need to put in nearly as much as they suggest, since they are using it mainly for the Octane enhancer.
There is no 50-hour check – but my own view is it is prudent to look over the engine every 50-hours, particularly if it is not often used.
The only way to clean the fuel filters is ultrasonically.
For the undercarriage oleos, you either get an engineering shop to make up connectors, OR convert them to a conventional automotive Schraeder valve.
I think pre-oiling is a very good idea, and all you need is a separate supply from the oil tank through to a high pressure electric pump, going into one of the oil galleries, which then will circulate oil around the engine before starting. But I do not think that anyone makes a kit as such.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:38 am Post subject: 18T issues |
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Look at the E-Z aircraft engine pre-heater on the Aircraft Spruce website. www.aircraftspruce.com
You can mount one pad on the sump case and one on the oil tank.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:57 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 18T issues
Don’t put things INTO the tank. If the resistor blows up, then you have a BIG problem, because you’ll scatter small particles everywhere into the oil.
Only my 2 cents,
Jan
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier Blouzard
Sent: woensdag 15 september 2010 9:04
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: 18T issues
Richard,
thanks so much for your very interesting answer.
For the TEL...I will just give 100LL to my motor every 5 fill.
In fact as we can't find 98unleaded in every field I will have to fill the plane with 100LL from time to time.
But I want to keep an eye on the filters and the plugs for tracking records every 20 hours.
For the preoiling pump you are right KISS (keep it safe and simple) is the best way to do it. A simple electric pump with the good hoses and the work id done. I will try to do something that can heat the oil in the same time. Perhaps heting the oil directly into the tank with a resistor...??
Anyway, thanks so much for your kind answer
Didier BLOUZARD
2010/9/15 Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)>
The M14P has very good quality steel valve seats, and the Russians say that no additional help from lead is needed.
But, I see no harm in adding lead – a good idea to give it 100ll whenever you can.
You can buy a lead product (TEL) for historic cars in the UK.
It is not that expensive – 130 Euro for enough to treat a thousand litres – and you do not need to put in nearly as much as they suggest, since they are using it mainly for the Octane enhancer.
There is no 50-hour check – but my own view is it is prudent to look over the engine every 50-hours, particularly if it is not often used.
The only way to clean the fuel filters is ultrasonically.
For the undercarriage oleos, you either get an engineering shop to make up connectors, OR convert them to a conventional automotive Schraeder valve.
I think pre-oiling is a very good idea, and all you need is a separate supply from the oil tank through to a high pressure electric pump, going into one of the oil galleries, which then will circulate oil around the engine before starting. But I do not think that anyone makes a kit as such.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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drc(at)wscare.com
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:15 am Post subject: 18T issues |
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EZ heat works great here in the frozen north. I have had it on 3 M14's
Herb
Green Bay
On Sep 16, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
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You can mount one pad on the sump case and one on the oil tank.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:57 AM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 18T issues
Don’t put things INTO the tank. If the resistor blows up, then you have a BIG problem, because you’ll scatter small particles everywhere into the oil.
Only my 2 cents,
Jan
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier Blouzard
Sent: woensdag 15 september 2010 9:04
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: 18T issues
Richard,
thanks so much for your very interesting answer.
For the TEL...I will just give 100LL to my motor every 5 fill.
In fact as we can't find 98unleaded in every field I will have to fill the plane with 100LL from time to time.
But I want to keep an eye on the filters and the plugs for tracking records every 20 hours.
For the preoiling pump you are right KISS (keep it safe and simple) is the best way to do it. A simple electric pump with the good hoses and the work id done. I will try to do something that can heat the oil in the same time. Perhaps heting the oil directly into the tank with a resistor...??
Anyway, thanks so much for your kind answer
Didier BLOUZARD
2010/9/15 Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)>
The M14P has very good quality steel valve seats, and the Russians say that no additional help from lead is needed.
But, I see no harm in adding lead – a good idea to give it 100ll whenever you can.
You can buy a lead product (TEL) for historic cars in the UK.
It is not that expensive – 130 Euro for enough to treat a thousand litres – and you do not need to put in nearly as much as they suggest, since they are using it mainly for the Octane enhancer.
There is no 50-hour check – but my own view is it is prudent to look over the engine every 50-hours, particularly if it is not often used.
The only way to clean the fuel filters is ultrasonically.
For the undercarriage oleos, you either get an engineering shop to make up connectors, OR convert them to a conventional automotive Schraeder valve.
I think pre-oiling is a very good idea, and all you need is a separate supply from the oil tank through to a high pressure electric pump, going into one of the oil galleries, which then will circulate oil around the engine before starting. But I do not think that anyone makes a kit as such.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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In addition it is not a good idea to directly heat oil with a heating
"element". There are all kinds of articles on that issue discussing
moisture and condensation, oil breakdown and other "issues". The old
"stick a heated dipstick into the oil" trick was apparently not the best
way to go. Indirectly heated oil systems, like Doc mentioned
http://e-zheat.com/ are widely used on aircraft operating in cold
weather. They usually attach to an oil pan, or oil tank simply by
glueing them on. You do have to remove any paint first of course, but
mine have NEVER come off. The heating element ends up heating the whole
metal tank and distributes the heat evenly. They include a thermostat
and are made for both 110 and 220 VAC.
I've seen them on M-14's, C-180's and a whole slew of bush airplanes.
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Hi Mark
Wich e-zheat model do you use for a M14P?
Thanks
Olivier
2010/9/16 Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>
In addition it is not a good idea to directly heat oil with a heating
"element". There are all kinds of articles on that issue discussing
moisture and condensation, oil breakdown and other "issues". The old
"stick a heated dipstick into the oil" trick was apparently not the best
way to go. Indirectly heated oil systems, like Doc mentioned
http://e-zheat.com/ are widely used on aircraft operating in cold
weather. They usually attach to an oil pan, or oil tank simply by
glueing them on. You do have to remove any paint first of course, but
mine have NEVER come off. The heating element ends up heating the whole
metal tank and distributes the heat evenly. They include a thermostat
and are made for both 110 and 220 VAC.
I've seen them on M-14's, C-180's and a whole slew of bush airplanes.
Mark
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You may also want to seriously consider a separate heat pad for the oil cooler. Highly recommended!
Dennis
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We have seen oil coolers “blow up” from people forgetting to preheat them.
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:07 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
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You may also want to seriously consider a separate heat pad for the oil cooler. Highly recommended!
Dennis
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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: 18T issues
Hi Mark
Wich e-zheat model do you use for a M14P?
Thanks
Olivier
2010/9/16 Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>
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In addition it is not a good idea to directly heat oil with a heating
"element". There are all kinds of articles on that issue discussing
moisture and condensation, oil breakdown and other "issues". The old
"stick a heated dipstick into the oil" trick was apparently not the best
way to go. Indirectly heated oil systems, like Doc mentioned
http://e-zheat.com/ are widely used on aircraft operating in cold
weather. They usually attach to an oil pan, or oil tank simply by
glueing them on. You do have to remove any paint first of course, but
mine have NEVER come off. The heating element ends up heating the whole
metal tank and distributes the heat evenly. They include a thermostat
and are made for both 110 and 220 VAC.
I've seen them on M-14's, C-180's and a whole slew of bush airplanes.
Mark
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:36 am Post subject: 18T issues |
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Honestly Olivier, I can't even begin to remember! I got those heating
pads 10 years ago (and they still work by the way).
I think I just went to their web site and talked to their sales agent.
I have one that has two pads. In other words, it has one power cord,
that controls TWO heating pads. Both of those are on the bottom of the
oil tank itself.
Then I have another one that is stuck on the lower sump.
I do not have one on the oil cooler, as Dennis recommended, BUT .... I
have a very unique oil cooler in my YAK-50. It has a thermostat bypass,
so that when the weather is cold, the oil cooler is BY-PASSED.
When it comes to these aircraft, I would listen carefully to anything
Dennis recommends.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:57 am Post subject: Re: 18T issues |
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I live in the Northeast and have the EZ Heat pads on my oil tank, the engine sump, and the oil cooler. They are all wired together to a single plug. It works great.
Additionally I have timer on an outlet in my hangar to turn the system on
Keith
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tigeryak18t
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| Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:51 am Post subject: 18T issues |
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Hi everybody,
I just spoke with Todd the owner of EZHeat.
He has got a Yak52 and fortunately, he has designed specific heating pads for the 52
Of course he does recommend heating pads on the oil tank and on the sump. But also on the oil cooler if possible.
And also a good news, he has just designed a new pre oiling device.
Either you can ask him directly but as soon as I got some informations I can send it to the list unless someone tells me that it is inapropriate.
Keep you in the loop Olivier.
Best regards
Didier
2010/9/16 Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>
Honestly Olivier, I can't even begin to remember! I got those heating
pads 10 years ago (and they still work by the way).
I think I just went to their web site and talked to their sales agent.
I have one that has two pads. In other words, it has one power cord,
that controls TWO heating pads. Both of those are on the bottom of the
oil tank itself.
Then I have another one that is stuck on the lower sump.
I do not have one on the oil cooler, as Dennis recommended, BUT .... I
have a very unique oil cooler in my YAK-50. It has a thermostat bypass,
so that when the weather is cold, the oil cooler is BY-PASSED.
When it comes to these aircraft, I would listen carefully to anything
Dennis recommends.
Mark
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Hey, I noticed that farm equipment places have heating pads in all
shapes and sizes. Shockingly cheap, and apparently sourced the same as
the aviation ones.
I use a Harbor Fright (Halloween coming up) fan driven disc heater
with some HVAC items cobbled in such a way that it's funneled into the
left side of the cowl. I close the gills and usually plug the left
side with some foam. I have it mounted on an old tripod so it can be
properly positioned. Heats everything except the oil cooler, which
doesn't seem to b3 a problem with the Phillips 25-60. I live near
Buffalo, NY. I'll try to post a picture sometime.
On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E wrote:
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Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>
Honestly Olivier, I can't even begin to remember! I got those heating
pads 10 years ago (and they still work by the way).
I think I just went to their web site and talked to their sales agent.
I have one that has two pads. In other words, it has one power cord,
that controls TWO heating pads. Both of those are on the bottom of
the
oil tank itself.
Then I have another one that is stuck on the lower sump.
I do not have one on the oil cooler, as Dennis recommended, BUT .... I
have a very unique oil cooler in my YAK-50. It has a thermostat
bypass,
so that when the weather is cold, the oil cooler is BY-PASSED.
When it comes to these aircraft, I would listen carefully to anything
Dennis recommends.
Mark
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yeahh would be interested in seeing.
Many thanks if you can post a pic
regards
Didier
2010/9/16 Eric Wobschall <eric(at)buffaloskyline.com (eric(at)buffaloskyline.com)>
[quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: Eric Wobschall <eric(at)buffaloskyline.com (eric(at)buffaloskyline.com)>
Hey, I noticed that farm equipment places have heating pads in all shapes and sizes. Shockingly cheap, and apparently sourced the same as the aviation ones.
I use a Harbor Fright (Halloween coming up) fan driven disc heater with some HVAC items cobbled in such a way that it's funneled into the left side of the cowl. I close the gills and usually plug the left side with some foam. I have it mounted on an old tripod so it can be properly positioned. Heats everything except the oil cooler, which doesn't seem to b3 a problem with the Phillips 25-60. I live near Buffalo, NY. I'll try to post a picture sometime.
On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
[quote] --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>
Honestly Olivier, I can't even begin to remember! I got those heating
pads 10 years ago (and they still work by the way).
I think I just went to their web site and talked to their sales agent.
I have one that has two pads. In other words, it has one power cord,
that controls TWO heating pads. Both of those are on the bottom of the
oil tank itself.
Then I have another one that is stuck on the lower sump.
I do not have one on the oil cooler, as Dennis recommended, BUT .... I
have a very unique oil cooler in my YAK-50. It has a thermostat bypass,
so that when the weather is cold, the oil cooler is BY-PASSED.
When it comes to these aircraft, I would listen carefully to anything
Dennis recommends.
Mark
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