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Just a few pictures of the trip to the RNO races. Weight was about 2300.
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Tim Olson
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Your autopilot was out of trim...did you notice it when you were
flying? Looks like a good cruise though.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 9/19/2010 2:09 PM, DLM wrote:
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| Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: performance |
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The autopilot is very sensitive; I can manually trim so that the electronic
trim wheel disappears but shortly thereafter it reappears due apparently to
slight pitching of the aircraft.
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Tim Olson
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Interesting...I don't find that to be the case at all.
I find that if I trim for hands-off, and set the autopilot,
it stays pretty much 99.9% of the time until descent with
no out-of-trim indication. Very occasionally I get it,
but so rare that maybe enroute cruise I've only seen
the indicator a dozen or 20 times in 650+ hours. It does
come on during descents sometimes though if I don't
re-trim.
Do you have safety-trim or some other speed control
system that allows you to get the trim real precise?
Maybe for some reason your AP servo's sensors are
extra sensitive?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 9/19/2010 9:19 PM, DLM wrote:
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The autopilot is very sensitive; I can manually trim so that the
electronic trim wheel disappears but shortly thereafter it reappears due
apparently to slight pitching of the aircraft.
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dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
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Do you have Trutrak's automatic trim? IMO it's worth its weight in gold.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:19 PM, DLM <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM" <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>
The autopilot is very sensitive; I can manually trim so that the electronic trim wheel disappears but shortly thereafter it reappears due apparently to slight pitching of the aircraft.
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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I seem to see it a lot more in non-still air, of course, but I'd say that in the 6 or 7 RV-10's that I've flown, I see it a whole lot more than 20 times / 650 hours, but I don't see it every minute or two. Again, it depends a lot on how still the air is. I imagine it also makes a difference if you don't have the high-torque servo. I think that shows out of trim a lot more than the high-torque one does.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 19, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
[quote]
Interesting...I don't find that to be the case at all.
I find that if I trim for hands-off, and set the autopilot,
it stays pretty much 99.9% of the time until descent with
no out-of-trim indication. Very occasionally I get it,
but so rare that maybe enroute cruise I've only seen
the indicator a dozen or 20 times in 650+ hours. It does
come on during descents sometimes though if I don't
re-trim.
Do you have safety-trim or some other speed control
system that allows you to get the trim real precise?
Maybe for some reason your AP servo's sensors are
extra sensitive?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 9/19/2010 9:19 PM, DLM wrote:
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> The autopilot is very sensitive; I can manually trim so that the
> electronic trim wheel disappears but shortly thereafter it reappears due
> apparently to slight pitching of the aircraft.
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Tim Olson
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I could be wrong on the number...it's just off the top of my head.
Basically, it's just something that I almost never see DURING the
time I'm in cruise after I trim. I do have slow-speed trim,
due to safety-trim, so generally when I trim I'm trimmed out
so well that it would pretty much maintain altitude hands-off
for a bit. With the fuel being real near CG, it doesn't change
the trim too much during flight.
The other factor is that very many of my trips end up being
in still air. The RV-10 has allowed me to enjoy cruising at
altitudes more comfortable than my old plane would like.
At any rate, I very rarely see that indication, except for
when I've started my descent and have to adjust power and
speed. Heck, if I had said 50 times in 650 hours, it would
still be a really low number...but I doubt I've seen
it that many times in LEVEL flight in cruise. I differ
from Dave Saylor in that personally, I don't find the need
for auto-trim, because I don't mind re-trimming when I
see the indication on descent under AP control. I don't
think it would be a bad feature. I just have a personal
hangup in trusting another device adding to the complexity.
If it were free, I'd definitely have it, but it isn't
super cheap from what I hear. (Never personally priced it though)
But for money and trust, and since I've never felt it
to be a big inconvenience, I don't have it. I have heard
from at least 3 or 4 people who love auto-trim though, so
I must say that those who like it have vocalized it.
Those who haven't tried it probably won't miss it. I imagine
if I had it, maybe I'd be one speaking in big support, too...
..it's tough though as so far the RV-10 is so nice to fly
and I have so little workload, I can't see needing it to
be any easier.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 9/20/2010 6:03 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
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Saint<jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
I seem to see it a lot more in non-still air, of course, but I'd say
that in the 6 or 7 RV-10's that I've flown, I see it a whole lot more
than 20 times / 650 hours, but I don't see it every minute or two.
Again, it depends a lot on how still the air is. I imagine it also
makes a difference if you don't have the high-torque servo. I think
that shows out of trim a lot more than the high-torque one does.
do not archive
Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C:
352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 19, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
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> Interesting...I don't find that to be the case at all. I find that
> if I trim for hands-off, and set the autopilot, it stays pretty
> much 99.9% of the time until descent with no out-of-trim
> indication. Very occasionally I get it, but so rare that maybe
> enroute cruise I've only seen the indicator a dozen or 20 times in
> 650+ hours. It does come on during descents sometimes though if I
> don't re-trim.
>
> Do you have safety-trim or some other speed control system that
> allows you to get the trim real precise? Maybe for some reason your
> AP servo's sensors are extra sensitive?
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive
> On 9/19/2010 9:19 PM, DLM wrote:
>>
>>
>> The autopilot is very sensitive; I can manually trim so that the
>> electronic trim wheel disappears but shortly thereafter it
>> reappears due apparently to slight pitching of the aircraft.
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bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:46 am Post subject: performance |
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Howdy all!!! Got the 10 in the air for the second time Sat and for the most part, all is well. Had a issue with the Sorcererr though and was wondering if anybody else has been through this. I Turned on the AP and it felt like it was searching, especially altitude. It would start wanting to do anything except straight and level. Any Ideas???
Bruce 151BJ
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 6:25:14 AM
Subject: Re: performance
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
I could be wrong on the number...it's just off the top of my head.
Basically, it's just something that I almost never see DURING the
time I'm in cruise after I trim. I do have slow-speed trim,
due to safety-trim, so generally when I trim I'm trimmed out
so well that it would pretty much maintain altitude hands-off
for a bit. With the fuel being real near CG, it doesn't change
the trim too much during flight.
The other factor is that very many of my trips end up being
in still air. The RV-10 has allowed me to enjoy cruising at
altitudes more comfortable than my old plane would like.
At any rate, I very rarely see that indication, except for
when I've started my descent and have to adjust power and
speed. Heck, if I had said 50 times in 650 hours, it would
still be a really low number...but I doubt I've seen
it that many times in LEVEL flight in cruise. I differ
from Dave Saylor in that personally, I don't find the need
for auto-trim, because I don't mind re-trimming when I
see the indication on descent under AP control. I don't
think it would be a bad feature. I just have a personal
hangup in trusting another device adding to the complexity.
If it were free, I'd definitely have it, but it isn't
super cheap from what I hear. (Never personally priced it though)
But for money and trust, and since I've never felt it
to be a big inconvenience, I don't have it. I have heard
from at least 3 or 4 people who love auto-trim though, so
I must say that those who like it have vocalized it.
Those who haven't tried it probably won't miss it. I imagine
if I had it, maybe I'd be one speaking in big support, too...
...it's tough though as so far the RV-10 is so nice to fly
and I have so little workload, I can't see needing it to
be any easier.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 9/20/2010 6:03 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse
Saint<jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
I seem to see it a lot more in non-still air, of course, but I'd say
that in the 6 or 7 RV-10's that I've flown, I see it a whole lot more
than 20 times / 650 hours, but I don't see it every minute or two.
Again, it depends a lot on how still the air is. I imagine it also
makes a difference if you don't have the high-torque servo. I think
that shows out of trim a lot more than the high-torque one does.
do not archive
Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com) C:
352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 19, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
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> Interesting...I don't find that to be the case at all. I find that
> if I trim for hands-off, and set the autopilot, it stays pretty
> much 99.9% of the time until descent with no out-of-trim
> indication. Very occasionally I get it, but so rare that maybe
> enroute cruise I've only seen the indicator a dozen or 20 times in
> 650+ hours. It does come on during descents sometimes though if I
> don't re-trim.
>
> Do you have safety-trim or some other speed control system that
> allows you to get the trim real precise? Maybe for some reason your
> AP servo's sensors are extra sensitive?
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive
> On 9/19/2010 9:19 PM, DLM wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM"<dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>
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>> The autopilot is very sensitive; I can manually trim so that the
>> electronic trim wheel disappears but shortly thereafter it
>> reappears due apparently to slight pitching of the aircraft.
>> ---
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:06 am Post subject: performance |
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You need to adjust your torque, sensitivity and micro activity settings, most likely.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 20, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
[quote]Howdy all!!! Got the 10 in the air for the second time Sat and for the most part, all is well. Had a issue with the Sorcererr though and was wondering if anybody else has been through this. I Turned on the AP and it felt like it was searching, especially altitude. It would start wanting to do anything except straight and level. Any Ideas???
Bruce 151BJ
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 6:25:14 AM
Subject: Re: performance
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
I could be wrong on the number...it's just off the top of my head.
Basically, it's just something that I almost never see DURING the
time I'm in cruise after I trim. I do have slow-speed trim,
due to safety-trim, so generally when I trim I'm trimmed out
so well that it would pretty much maintain altitude hands-off
for a bit. With the fuel being real near CG, it doesn't change
the trim too much during flight.
The other factor is that very many of my trips end up being
in still air. The RV-10 has allowed me to enjoy cruising at
altitudes more comfortable than my old plane would like.
At any rate, I very rarely see that indication, except for
when I've started my descent and have to adjust power and
speed. Heck, if I had said 50 times in 650 hours, it would
still be a really low number...but I doubt I've seen
it that many times in LEVEL flight in cruise. I differ
from Dave Saylor in that personally, I don't find the need
for auto-trim, because I don't mind re-trimming when I
see the indication on descent under AP control. I don't
think it would be a bad feature. I just have a personal
hangup in trusting another device adding to the complexity.
If it were free, I'd definitely have it, but it isn't
super cheap from what I hear. (Never personally priced it though)
But for money and trust, and since I've never felt it
to be a big inconvenience, I don't have it. I have heard
from at least 3 or 4 people who love auto-trim though, so
I must say that those who like it have vocalized it.
Those who haven't tried it probably won't miss it. I imagine
if I had it, maybe I'd be one speaking in big support, too...
...it's tough though as so far the RV-10 is so nice to fly
and I have so little workload, I can't see needing it to
be any easier.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 9/20/2010 6:03 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse
Saint<jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
I seem to see it a lot more in non-still air, of course, but I'd say
that in the 6 or 7 RV-10's that I've flown, I see it a whole lot more
than 20 times / 650 hours, but I don't see it every minute or two.
Again, it depends a lot on how still the air is. I imagine it also
makes a difference if you don't have the high-torque servo. I think
that shows out of trim a lot more than the high-torque one does.
do not archive
Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com) C:
352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 19, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
>
> Interesting...I don't find that to be the case at all. I find that
> if I trim for hands-off, and set the autopilot, it stays pretty
> much 99.9% of the time until descent with no out-of-trim
> indication. Very occasionally I get it, but so rare that maybe
> enroute cruise I've only seen the indicator a dozen or 20 times in
> 650+ hours. It does come on during descents sometimes though if I
> don't re-trim.
>
> Do you have safety-trim or some other speed control system that
> allows you to get the trim real precise? Maybe for some reason your
> AP servo's sensors are extra sensitive?
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive
> On 9/19/2010 9:19 PM, DLM wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM"<dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>
>>
>> The autopilot is very sensitive; I can manually trim so that the
>> electronic trim wheel disappears but shortly thereafter it
>> reappears due apparently to slight pitching of the aircraft.
>> ---
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:11 am Post subject: performance |
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Bruce,
Trutrak gives you an inflight procedure to tune all the internal settings. Follow their directions and experiment a bit and it should fall in line. Maybe someone else with a sorcerer can post their settings, but keep in mind that would only be a starting point and from my experience every plane has its own requirements.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com (bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] Howdy all!!! Got the 10 in the air for the second time Sat and for the most part, all is well. Had a issue with the Sorcererr though and was wondering if anybody else has been through this. I Turned on the AP and it felt like it was searching, especially altitude. It would start wanting to do anything except straight and level. Any Ideas???
Â
Bruce 151BJÂ Â
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 6:25:14 AM
Subject: Re: performance
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
I could be wrong on the number...it's just off the top of my head.
Basically, it's just something that I almost never see DURING the
time I'm in cruise after I trim. I do have slow-speed trim,
due to safety-trim, so generally when I trim I'm trimmed out
so well that it would pretty much maintain altitude hands-off
for a bit. With the fuel being real near CG, it doesn't change
the trim too much during flight.
The other factor is that very many of my trips end up being
in still air. The RV-10 has allowed me to enjoy cruising at
altitudes more comfortable than my old plane would like.
At any rate, I very rarely see that indication, except for
when I've started my descent and have to adjust power and
speed. Heck, if I had said 50 times in 650 hours, it would
still be a really low number...but I doubt I've seen
it that many times in LEVEL flight in cruise. I differ
from Dave Saylor in that personally, I don't find the need
for auto-trim, because I don't mind re-trimming when I
see the indication on descent under AP control. I don't
think it would be a bad feature. I just have a personal
hangup in trusting another device adding to the complexity.
If it were free, I'd definitely have it, but it isn't
super cheap from what I hear. (Never personally priced it though)
But for money and trust, and since I've never felt it
to be a big inconvenience, I don't have it. I have heard
from at least 3 or 4 people who love auto-trim though, so
I must say that those who like it have vocalized it.
Those who haven't tried it probably won't miss it. I imagine
if I had it, maybe I'd be one speaking in big support, too...
...it's tough though as so far the RV-10 is so nice to fly
and I have so little workload, I can't see needing it to
be any easier.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 9/20/2010 6:03 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
| Quote: | I seem to see it a lot more in non-still air, of course, but I'd say
that in the 6 or 7 RV-10's that I've flown, I see it a whole lot more
than 20 times / 650 hours, but I don't see it every minute or two.
Again, it depends a lot on how still the air is. I imagine it also
makes a difference if you don't have the high-torque servo. I think
that shows out of trim a lot more than the high-torque one does.
>
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| Quote: | > -->Â RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
>
> Interesting...I don't find that to be the case at all. I find that
>> if I trim for hands-off, and set the autopilot, it stays pretty
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| Quote: | > much 99.9% of the time until descent with no out-of-trim
> indication. Very occasionally I get it, but so rare that maybe
> enroute cruise I've only seen the indicator a dozen or 20 times in
> 650+ hours. It does come on during descents sometimes though if I
>> don't re-trim.
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| Quote: | >
> Do you have safety-trim or some other speed control system that
> allows you to get the trim real precise? Maybe for some reason your
> AP servo's sensors are extra sensitive?
>>
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| Quote: | > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive
> On 9/19/2010 9:19 PM, DLM wrote:
>> -->Â RV10-List message posted by: "DLM"<dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>
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[quote]>> The autopilot is very sensitive; I can manually trim so that the
>> electronic trim wheel disappears but shortly thereafter it
>> reappears due apparently to slight pitching of the aircraft.
>> ---
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bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: performance |
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Thanks, have you had the chance to do these items?
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 10:02:54 AM
Subject: Re: performance
You need to adjust your torque, sensitivity and micro activity settings, most likely.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 20, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
[quote] Howdy all!!! Got the 10 in the air for the second time Sat and for the most part, all is well. Had a issue with the Sorcererr though and was wondering if anybody else has been through this. I Turned on the AP and it felt like it was searching, especially altitude. It would start wanting to do anything except straight and level. Any Ideas???
Bruce 151BJ
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 6:25:14 AM
Subject: Re: performance
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
I could be wrong on the number...it's just off the top of my head.
Basically, it's just something that I almost never see DURING the
time I'm in cruise after I trim. I do have slow-speed trim,
due to safety-trim, so generally when I trim I'm trimmed out
so well that it would pretty much maintain altitude hands-off
for a bit. With the fuel being real near CG, it doesn't change
the trim too much during flight.
The other factor is that very many of my trips end up being
in still air. The RV-10 has allowed me to enjoy cruising at
altitudes more comfortable than my old plane would like.
At any rate, I very rarely see that indication, except for
when I've started my descent and have to adjust power and
speed. Heck, if I had said 50 times in 650 hours, it would
still be a really low number...but I doubt I've seen
it that many times in LEVEL flight in cruise. I differ
from Dave Saylor in that personally, I don't find the need
for auto-trim, because I don't mind re-trimming when I
see the indication on descent under AP control. I don't
think it would be a bad feature. I just have a personal
hangup in trusting another device adding to the complexity.
If it were free, I'd definitely have it, but it isn't
super cheap from what I hear. (Never personally priced it though)
But for money and trust, and since I've never felt it
to be a big inconvenience, I don't have it. I have heard
from at least 3 or 4 people who love auto-trim though, so
I must say that those who like it have vocalized it.
Those who haven't tried it probably won't miss it. I imagine
if I had it, maybe I'd be one speaking in big support, too...
..it's tough though as so far the RV-10 is so nice to fly
and I have so little workload, I can't see needing it to
be any easier.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 9/20/2010 6:03 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse
Saint<jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
I seem to see it a lot more in non-still air, of course, but I'd say
that in the 6 or 7 RV-10's that I've flown, I see it a whole lot more
than 20 times / 650 hours, but I don't see it every minute or two.
Again, it depends a lot on how still the air is. I imagine it also
makes a difference if you don't have the high-torque servo. I think
that shows out of trim a lot more than the high-torque one does.
do not archive
Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com) C:
352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 19, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
>
> Interesting...I don't find that to be the case at all. I find that
> if I trim for hands-off, and set the autopilot, it stays pretty
> much 99.9% of the time until descent with no out-of-trim
> indication. Very occasionally I get it, but so rare that maybe
> enroute cruise I've only seen the indicator a dozen or 20 times in
> 650+ hours. It does come on during descents sometimes though if I
> don't re-trim.
>
> Do you have safety-trim or some other speed control system that
> allows you to get the trim real precise? Maybe for some reason your
> AP servo's sensors are extra sensitive?
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive
> On 9/19/2010 9:19 PM, DLM wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM"<dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>
>>
>> The autopilot is very sensitive; I can manually trim so that the
>> electronic trim wheel disappears but shortly thereafter it
>> reappears due apparently to slight pitching of the aircraft.
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Make sure you have the pitot and static lines hooked up correctly. It they are backwards it will act as you have described.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
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I have flown without the auto trim and with. And I have to say that it was
well worth the money. It was easy to install and works great. The aircraft
is always in trim and never seem to have any trim issues when turning off
the AP. That being said is it necessary no. But it is worth the money yes. I
do think the price was recently reduced for them as well.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
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I'll try to write down my settings later today and send them to you. I'm flying a Sorcerer for 1.5 hrs this evening. I'll let you know if I have a chance to write them down.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
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F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 20, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
[quote]Thanks, have you had the chance to do these items?
From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 10:02:54 AM
Subject: Re: performance
You need to adjust your torque, sensitivity and micro activity settings, most likely.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 20, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
[quote]Howdy all!!! Got the 10 in the air for the second time Sat and for the most part, all is well. Had a issue with the Sorcererr though and was wondering if anybody else has been through this. I Turned on the AP and it felt like it was searching, especially altitude. It would start wanting to do anything except straight and level. Any Ideas???
Bruce 151BJ
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 6:25:14 AM
Subject: Re: performance
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
I could be wrong on the number...it's just off the top of my head.
Basically, it's just something that I almost never see DURING the
time I'm in cruise after I trim. I do have slow-speed trim,
due to safety-trim, so generally when I trim I'm trimmed out
so well that it would pretty much maintain altitude hands-off
for a bit. With the fuel being real near CG, it doesn't change
the trim too much during flight.
The other factor is that very many of my trips end up being
in still air. The RV-10 has allowed me to enjoy cruising at
altitudes more comfortable than my old plane would like.
At any rate, I very rarely see that indication, except for
when I've started my descent and have to adjust power and
speed. Heck, if I had said 50 times in 650 hours, it would
still be a really low number...but I doubt I've seen
it that many times in LEVEL flight in cruise. I differ
from Dave Saylor in that personally, I don't find the need
for auto-trim, because I don't mind re-trimming when I
see the indication on descent under AP control. I don't
think it would be a bad feature. I just have a personal
hangup in trusting another device adding to the complexity.
If it were free, I'd definitely have it, but it isn't
super cheap from what I hear. (Never personally priced it though)
But for money and trust, and since I've never felt it
to be a big inconvenience, I don't have it. I have heard
from at least 3 or 4 people who love auto-trim though, so
I must say that those who like it have vocalized it.
Those who haven't tried it probably won't miss it. I imagine
if I had it, maybe I'd be one speaking in big support, too...
...it's tough though as so far the RV-10 is so nice to fly
and I have so little workload, I can't see needing it to
be any easier.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 9/20/2010 6:03 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse
Saint<jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
I seem to see it a lot more in non-still air, of course, but I'd say
that in the 6 or 7 RV-10's that I've flown, I see it a whole lot more
than 20 times / 650 hours, but I don't see it every minute or two.
Again, it depends a lot on how still the air is. I imagine it also
makes a difference if you don't have the high-torque servo. I think
that shows out of trim a lot more than the high-torque one does.
do not archive
Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com) C:
352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 19, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
>
> Interesting...I don't find that to be the case at all. I find that
> if I trim for hands-off, and set the autopilot, it stays pretty
> much 99.9% of the time until descent with no out-of-trim
> indication. Very occasionally I get it, but so rare that maybe
> enroute cruise I've only seen the indicator a dozen or 20 times in
> 650+ hours. It does come on during descents sometimes though if I
> don't re-trim.
>
> Do you have safety-trim or some other speed control system that
> allows you to get the trim real precise? Maybe for some reason your
> AP servo's sensors are extra sensitive?
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive
> On 9/19/2010 9:19 PM, DLM wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM"<dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>
>>
>> The autopilot is very sensitive; I can manually trim so that the
>> electronic trim wheel disappears but shortly thereafter it
>> reappears due apparently to slight pitching of the aircraft.
>> ---
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Do you remember what the approximate price was?
Heck, if it's cheap enough, maybe it's my next
toy. 
Tim
On 9/20/2010 1:06 PM, Geoff Combs wrote:
[quote]
I have flown without the auto trim and with. And I have to say that it was
well worth the money. It was easy to install and works great. The aircraft
is always in trim and never seem to have any trim issues when turning off
the AP. That being said is it necessary no. But it is worth the money yes. I
do think the price was recently reduced for them as well.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling& Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
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Tim they are 350.00 now.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
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8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
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Mine was behaving that way and I talked to Jim Younkin at Sun n Fun
two years ago. He knew right away what I was talking about. He had me
send the servo back in for some kind of adjustment and it has worked
fine since.
David MaIb
40559
Flying
On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:03 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
I seem to see it a lot more in non-still air, of course, but I'd say
that in the 6 or 7 RV-10's that I've flown, I see it a whole lot more
than 20 times / 650 hours, but I don't see it every minute or two.
Again, it depends a lot on how still the air is. I imagine it also
makes a difference if you don't have the high-torque servo. I think
that shows out of trim a lot more than the high-torque one does.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Sep 19, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
[quote]
Interesting...I don't find that to be the case at all.
I find that if I trim for hands-off, and set the autopilot,
it stays pretty much 99.9% of the time until descent with
no out-of-trim indication. Very occasionally I get it,
but so rare that maybe enroute cruise I've only seen
the indicator a dozen or 20 times in 650+ hours. It does
come on during descents sometimes though if I don't
re-trim.
Do you have safety-trim or some other speed control
system that allows you to get the trim real precise?
Maybe for some reason your AP servo's sensors are
extra sensitive?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 9/19/2010 9:19 PM, DLM wrote:
>
>
> The autopilot is very sensitive; I can manually trim so that the
> electronic trim wheel disappears but shortly thereafter it
> reappears due
> apparently to slight pitching of the aircraft.
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Listed at $350 on their website...
http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/products/Automatic_Trim.html
-Sean
On 9/20/10 2:13 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
[quote]
Do you remember what the approximate price was?
Heck, if it's cheap enough, maybe it's my next
toy.
Tim
On 9/20/2010 1:06 PM, Geoff Combs wrote:
>
> Combs"<g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com>
>
> I have flown without the auto trim and with. And I have to say that
> it was
> well worth the money. It was easy to install and works great. The
> aircraft
> is always in trim and never seem to have any trim issues when turning
> off
> the AP. That being said is it necessary no. But it is worth the money
> yes. I
> do think the price was recently reduced for them as well.
>
> Geoff
>
> Geoff Combs
> President
> Aerosport Modeling& Design
> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
> 614-834-5227p
> 614-834-5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
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Man, i now think I was mistaking the price for the yaw dampner. For that kind of cost I can see doing it for sure.
Tim
On Sep 20, 2010, at 3:28 PM, "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> wrote:
[quote]
Tim they are 350.00 now.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
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Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
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614-834-5230f
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Wow, the first one I bought was about $900 and seemed a bit steep until we flew it and it then it seemed worth every penny.
Then they dropped to about $625. That's what I thought the current price was.
$350 is definitely a good deal.
What I like most is that during any kind of complicated approach it removes a workload item--I need all the help I can get. And like Geoff said, it's practically always in trim when you turn the AP off.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
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On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
Man, i now think I was mistaking the price for the yaw dampner. Â For that kind of cost I can see doing it for sure.
Tim
On Sep 20, 2010, at 3:28 PM, "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com (g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com)> wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com (g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com)>
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> Geoff Combs
> President
> Aerosport Modeling & Design
> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
> 614-834-5227p
> 614-834-5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
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