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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:51 pm Post subject: How much paint for a whole '10?

I've started painting using a HVLP 3M/Accuspray gun and Axis turbine 

to shoot an Imron Elite Polyurethane single stage.  It's going well so 

far.  The ailerons and flaps are painted.



For those of you that have painted, how many gallons did you use (or 

would use if painting the entire aircraft in 1 color)?



If I were to do it all in one color, I'd roughly estimate 3.5 to 4 

gallons at the rate I'm going.  Seems like a lot.  Lohle's estimate was 

2 gallons of white but that is a different system.



The Imron tech sheet recoomends  1.8 to 2.2 mils.  Unfortunately there's 

no where to measure my paint thickness on the ailerons and flaps.  I 

know I shot a an access panel at 3.0 mils but I was trying to go extra 

heavy on it as a test.  So I know I'm doing less that 3.0 mils but 

probably more than 2.2 on the rest of the job so far.



Bill "I am curious " Watson

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Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:47 am Post subject: How much paint for a whole '10?

Hey Bill,



I THINK it was 5 gal. of white, one of blue, and a quart of red.  I'm not 

positive, cuz I kept running out and sending Wes back to the paint store for 

more!  I was shocked at how much more surface there is on a plane than a 

car -- not anal enough to do the math, just started shooting.  I typically 

shoot three light coats of final with 20-30 min. between coats.  That 

eliminates runs, fills rivet heads, etc.  I don't have a clue as to mils.



By the way, I've not had any problems with the paint (acrylic enamel) except 

for one item.  I made the false assumption that the steps that came primed 

from Van's would have been professionally primed, so I did not strip them 

and do my process that I did on everything else (self etch primer, epoxy 

primer, final coat).  Now, six months later, my paint has chunked off at the 

joint of the step and the down leg, because their primer did not bond 

sufficiently to the steel.  So I would recommend taking those down to metal 

and bring them back up.



My process of grinding a shallow in both plexi and glass around all windows 

and glassing in a half inch of fiberglass over the joint has resulted in a 

joint that is still as perfect as it was the day I painted it.  No cracks 

after a hot summer.  I'm very pleased with that.



I'd love to see pictures as you paint -- either post, private email, or 

maybe I can get doped up enough to make the flight up to visit with Wes.



Later, - Lew

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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:25 am Post subject: How much paint for a whole '10?

I'm using Stewarts system. So far very clean and smooth without major work, 

I have done one test piece (leg pants) and think I have enough paint on it 

that it's white and shiny.

They told me 2 gallons and truthfully, the paint goes on very thin, 4 coats 

last being the thickest (1.75 on the fluid nozzle of my AOM K1) so I can see 

that being a possibility. I mentioned to their excellent support that I 

thought I needed thicker . They send a sample of what each layer should look 

like and they told me I would be wasting paint if I applied more than that. 

In other words, I did it right and it will probably be 2-2.5 gallons for me 

of all white, but for you the paint may need to be thicker and hence need 

more.

My paint is water based so I add another 25% to the mix, hence it going on 

so thin.

I'll give a paint report in the future for anyone who is a looking for an 

easy and home safe paint option.

Pascal



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From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>

Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:45 PM

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Subject: How much paint for a whole '10?



 	  Quote: 	
		   



  I've started painting using a HVLP 3M/Accuspray gun and Axis turbine to 

 shoot an Imron Elite Polyurethane single stage.  It's going well so far. 

 The ailerons and flaps are painted.



 For those of you that have painted, how many gallons did you use (or would 

 use if painting the entire aircraft in 1 color)?



 If I were to do it all in one color, I'd roughly estimate 3.5 to 4 gallons 

 at the rate I'm going.  Seems like a lot.  Lohle's estimate was 2 gallons 

 of white but that is a different system.



 The Imron tech sheet recoomends  1.8 to 2.2 mils.  Unfortunately there's 

 no where to measure my paint thickness on the ailerons and flaps.  I know 

 I shot a an access panel at 3.0 mils but I was trying to go extra heavy on 

 it as a test.  So I know I'm doing less that 3.0 mils but probably more 

 than 2.2 on the rest of the job so far.



 Bill "I am curious " Watson

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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:26 am Post subject: How much paint for a whole '10?

Thanks for that - especially the tip about the step.



I've been documenting the paint on my Kitlog site under "Painting A-Z" 

with pics.



http://www.mykitlog.com/users/index.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224



You are more than welcome to flight up and visit. Love to see the plane. 

   I think you know I'm at 8NC8 and I'm working here just about every 

day.... and the weather is beautiful.



Bill "prepping the wings" Watson

919-824-4179



On 10/9/2010 8:43 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Hey Bill,



 I THINK it was 5 gal. of white, one of blue, and a quart of red.  I'm 

 not positive, cuz I kept running out and sending Wes back to the paint 

 store for more!  I was shocked at how much more surface there is on a 

 plane than a car -- not anal enough to do the math, just started 

 shooting.  I typically shoot three light coats of final with 20-30 

 min. between coats.  That eliminates runs, fills rivet heads, etc.  I 

 don't have a clue as to mils.



 By the way, I've not had any problems with the paint (acrylic enamel) 

 except for one item.  I made the false assumption that the steps that 

 came primed from Van's would have been professionally primed, so I did 

 not strip them and do my process that I did on everything else (self 

 etch primer, epoxy primer, final coat).  Now, six months later, my 

 paint has chunked off at the joint of the step and the down leg, 

 because their primer did not bond sufficiently to the steel.  So I 

 would recommend taking those down to metal and bring them back up.



 My process of grinding a shallow in both plexi and glass around all 

 windows and glassing in a half inch of fiberglass over the joint has 

 resulted in a joint that is still as perfect as it was the day I 

 painted it.  No cracks after a hot summer.  I'm very pleased with that.



 I'd love to see pictures as you paint -- either post, private email, 

 or maybe I can get doped up enough to make the flight up to visit with 

 Wes.



 Later, - Lew

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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:21 pm Post subject: How much paint for a whole '10?

Seems like all the systems are or can be done differently.



This Imron Elite single stage, if applied per the tech sheets, goes on 

with a cross coat.  That's 1 wet coat in one direction immediately (5 

secs to a couple of mins) followed by a slightly drier coat in the 

other.  It's not meant to be thinned.  It's not meant to be sanded or 

otherwise touched.  No clear coat.



Using this Accuspray/Citation/ bottom feed pressure cup  combination 

from AC Spruce

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/cite4.php

I have a fixed sort of setup.  Using the fluid nozzle supplied (1.1) and 

a fixed air supply (I can only restrict but run it full out), it 

performs in a pre-determined way.  Using the Imron per spec gives a 

certain paint delivery and minimal overspray.  The only real variables 

are spray pattern and the speed I move the gun.



I've played with fluid nozzle size and thinning some of the high fill 

primer I used.  In the end, I'm using the 1.1 and adding 5% thinner per 

the tech sheet.



Looks good so far with a slight amount of orange peel comparable to what 

I see on many new cars.  Will definitely will go thru  more paint than I 

expected but it seems right.



Definitely a toxic, not home safe product.  With fresh air respirator 

and ventilated booth, it's fine.



Thanks for the feedback.



Bill Watson



On 10/9/2010 10:20 AM, Pascal wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I'm using Stewarts system. So far very clean and smooth without major 

 work, I have done one test piece (leg pants) and think I have enough 

 paint on it that it's white and shiny.

 They told me 2 gallons and truthfully, the paint goes on very thin, 4 

 coats last being the thickest (1.75 on the fluid nozzle of my AOM K1) 

 so I can see that being a possibility. I mentioned to their excellent 

 support that I thought I needed thicker . They send a sample of what 

 each layer should look like and they told me I would be wasting paint 

 if I applied more than that. In other words, I did it right and it 

 will probably be 2-2.5 gallons for me of all white, but for you the 

 paint may need to be thicker and hence need more.

 My paint is water based so I add another 25% to the mix, hence it 

 going on so thin.

 I'll give a paint report in the future for anyone who is a looking for 

 an easy and home safe paint option.

 Pascal

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